Glendale, Arizona: Is this place worth all the fuss?
It would be understandable if an alien from outer space landed in eastern Iowa this past week and after some basic human interaction deduced that Glendale, Arizona was some sort of Holy Land.
On Saturday afternoon the Iowa Hawkeyes, along with every other bowl eligible team in college football, will learn to which bowl game they've been invited. It may or may not be a crucial moment in the history of the program, but let's consider the question.
The Hawkeyes achieved new heights this year by winning their first 9 games of the season, a feat never before accomplished in the history of the program. The great start rocketed the team into the Top 10, and once the BCS rankings came out Iowa was officially part of the early national championship game discussion. We all know what happened in that 10th game, and the 11th for that matter. The Hawks rebounded against Minnesota in their final game and now sit with a pretty impressive resume for bowl executives to chew on. Since bowl games are invitationals beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and Iowa fans would be wise to brace themselves for a funky outcome.
There are as many scenarios that point to Iowa being invited to the Fiesta Bowl as there are scenarios that do not. One thing most people seem to agree upon though is there doesn't seem to be a BCS fallback position for Iowa. There appears to be so few circumstances that would land Iowa in the Orange Bowl as to be a statistical impossibility. So it's more than likely the Fiesta or bust----with bust being the Capital One Bowl.
When the bowl pairings are announced on Saturday its fair to say there will be plenty of frustration and disappointment by Hawkeye fans should Iowa be invited to the Capital One Bowl instead of the Fiesta Bowl. Projections from the WWL are currently showing the Capital One Bowl will have No. 13 LSU as the Big Ten opponent. If it comes to pass that the Capital One Bowl calls out Iowa's name on Saturday, what does it mean for Iowa?
My mother taught me that whenever you are faced with a difficult situation write down the PROS and CONS, weigh them out, and go from there. So here we go...but given the inevitable unhappiness a Cap One Bowl will be met with, we'll start with the CONS.
CON #1: Iowa is not all that and a bag of chips. Reality bites and if the Fiesta snubs Iowa they will have to live with the fact that the team ranked behind them in the BCS Standings (who they beat straight up on the road) or a WAC team was ultimately deemed more desirable to Fiesta Bowl officials. That might be one hell of a tough pill to swallow, and will be a message loud and clear as to where Iowa is on the football landscape. Value, said a manager of a restaurant where I once waited tables, is wholly dependent upon perception----there is no such thing as real value. "It's not the size the actual steak that determines if the customer feels he's getting a good deal, it is the size of the steak he was expecting," he would say. Penn State is perceived as a big steak. Now it might be that if you actually put Iowa and Penn State on the exact same plate they would look alomst identical, but the Fiesta officials are hungry to bring in a team that they are certain will satisfy the appetite of the greater Phoenix area. That appetite may not be exclusively tied to potential travelers either, there may be other appetites that Penn State is perceived to satisfy that Iowa does not, and that is not good for Iowa going forward.
CON #2: Winning will be even more vital. Losing the consolation bowl game could be a huge blow, as it will validate the snub. If Iowa is invited to the Capital One Bowl they may not be favored by Las Vegas but that will not lessen the pressure to win. They will be the higher ranked team and they will be the team that thought it was deserving of a BCS bowl game. A let down could validate their second tier status. The truth is that LSU is a formidable opponent and will pose a huge challenge to any team, but perceptions are at play. A Capital One Bowl would be a must win game.
CON #3: What more does a brother have to do? It would seem that starting a season 9-0, winning 13 straight games over two seasons, winning on the road in proven hostile environments, winning in an exciting and thrilling fashion over and over again, overcoming key injuries, playing three times in prime time and winning two and going into OT in the third as a huge underdog, and on and on. If all this does not capture the imagination, then what on earth will the Hawkeyes need to do next year to prove their worth? It may be the bar is higher (even too high) for the Hawkeyes unless they can prove themselves beyond a shadow of a doubt...kind of a Catch 22.
PRO #1: A win over an SEC team is always good for your resume. Many would say that a loss to a non-BCS team like Boise St. or TCU is damaging to a BCS program. I would respond that Alabama does not seem to be suffering any ill effects from their thumping last year. But, almost everyone agrees that beating an SEC team is good for your image, good for your self-esteem, and good for business (recruiting, etc.). That we would have to play in a non-BCS bowl to get this match-up may be worth it.
PRO #2: One more warm-up bowl might be needed. It may just be that Iowa isn't ready to play in a BCS Bowl game yet. Sure, they played well this season but there were all those close wins and perhaps this team is really still a year away from true elite play. Besides, the program seems to be at its best when expectations are muted and the scene is low-key. A BCS Bowl might have made more sense if we won the conference and didn't have a gimpy QB. This way Iowa may, again, be the only Big Ten team to win a bowl game and this could be the "I told you so" moment that leads to more favorable treatment down the road.
PRO #3: Disrespect is a great motivator. Iowa has been playing with a chip on its shoulder for two years now. It seems to be working. If Iowa continues to improve they might just find their way in to the National Championship game next year. Perhaps the worst thing this program could have happen is they become fat and happy this year. The Big Ten has a revenue sharing model, so no school receives a greater share of the profits based on which bowl they play. In fact, the Big Ten creates a travel budget for each bowl team, all remaining monies earned from a bowl are thrown into the Big Ten pot and shared by all---whether they played a bowl game or not. A team can spend less than are budgeted for and make a few more dollars that way, although teams usually spend more and pay for it out of their share of the revenues. For more on this go here. The goal on these invites then is to avoid them altogether and laser focus on qualifying for the National Championship game, all other postseason affairs after that are simply a case of where you like to vacation. The Rose Bowl, of course, is in our collective blood so that one is still a desired invite.
But, really, is the Fiesta such a big deal? Phoenix is no Pasadena and, for that matter, is it better than Orlando or Tampa? Especially if all it is going to do is create a false sense of accomplishment and screw-up a bunch of young minds and undermine our big run next year.
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I would love...
to not have to wake up early following a night of thorough debauchery to watch the game. Not to mention, consuming large quantities of a heart stopping mixture of Rotel and Velveeta via Tostitos Scoops would work much better with an early evening Fiesta.

/O'keefe'd
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 2, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
The Cap 1 bowl is fun, but I think Iowa needs to at least play in a BCS game to gain more respect.
Winning would be even better.
Cash money
is the only real reason to want the Fiesta invite.
As far as Con #3, I think we all know the answer to that, put a boot to the throat of teams that we’re supposed to. Upsets happen. Injuries take their toll. But not putting away inferior teams is something that sticks in the minds of everyone.
It never gets to be easy
I'm an idiot
I didn’t know that.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 2, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
It used to be
and may still be something like:
Total Bowl Payout
LESS: allocation to participating bowl teams for bowl expenses (to which they can spend / exceed / save on their own)
EQUALS Remaining Payout.
The Remaining Payout is then divided into 12 shares, with each conference member receiving one share and the B10 office retaining a share.
here’s a link to a explanation from the payouts in 2003, including details on the costs of bowl travel.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121503aaa.html
It is in the post above you know...
with the same link. Just sayin…
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Hayden Fry, Kirk O Keefe, & SMA - Conservative Playcallers
Stoops – As always an insightful analysis, but alas aren’t we just trying to fill content here while we wait out the Bowl assignment.
Ah yeah, Phoenix is way better than Orlando and Tampa. Tampa is not even close. And the only thing that keeps the argument close for Orlando is it has Space Mountain and the really spunky Stacy girl that does the Top 10 Disney Attractions on a loop for 24 hours on your Hotel’s Disney information station. That never gets old.
Sure we can play it conservative and not hope for a BCS chance, and that’s a lot like not going for the win with 50 seconds on the clock and a chance to put a knife in the Buckeyes. But I guess this conservative approach is part of our heritage, that’s why Iowa votes for Mike Huckabee and Pat Robertson and why Hayden Fry used to predicably run a delayed handoff on every 3rd and 15 to Eddie Phillips back in the day.
As good as Coach Kirk did this year with this team, his humble pie card that he played was heard loud and clear in the media, but also in the locker room too. Now, I’m not complaining as every game was exciting, but at some point you have to take a chance, and go for it.
We’ve done Outback, we’ve done Citrus, let’s take a chance and Fiesta. And by the way. The Cap One game was a blast, but that stadium is about as good as a County Fair venue.
Jesse Palmer uses his hands more when he's talking than Marlee Matlin
For the record
I want the Fiesta and I would sell my soul for it. The thought of losing out on it tells me we that in the big scheme of things we are probably further away than I am willing to acknowledge or accept. But I know not everyone sees it that way so I thought I would play with the whole idea. After all, we might get snubed and then we would need to find a way to get excited again.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
NFSnub
No snubbing is coming. The reality is that every talking head douchebag bowl projector has narrowed it down correctly. Its the Fiesta Bowl. I lived in Phoenix, I met Junker a couple of times, he doesn’t have any gay loyalty to PSU for what Shane Conlan might have done in the Footloose era.
The only tweak might be Nebraska. They are the most horrible I’ve ever seen them, but maybe they just wack the Horns.
Jesse Palmer uses his hands more when he's talking than Marlee Matlin
How dare you think out loud and analyze things as they happen!
What the fuck does this look like, a blog?!
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
BCS Bowls = National respect and prestige
that you just don’t get from your run of the mill modern day New Year’s Day bowl.
I don’t think there are any cons to a BCS invite.
by HeartOfHawkness on Dec 2, 2009 10:02 PM CST reply actions
As an Iowa Hawkeye fan, I want the Fiesta
As a guy who likes to get drunk on New Year’s Day, I could cope with the Cap One.
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 2, 2009 10:13 PM CST reply actions
I can and I will
It would just be nice to have a game to care about during the afternoon.
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 3, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
You see that road on the right side
of the picture of the Rose Bowl? That’s the only road with direct access to the stadium.
You'd practically expect unicorns and leprechauns to reside in the area...
what with how majestic it’s surroundings are.
/O'keefe'd
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 2, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Unicorns at least
If I remember correctly my dream of the Rose Bowl (the night before the Northwestern game) had a rainbow going right over the stadium.
by J.R. Angle has a posse on Dec 2, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
I had the same dream!
except then a T-Rex chased me in to a PetSmart
"I just don't catch very well." - Shonn Greene
I wholly endorse your selection of avatars
That’s all.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
Yeah, totally crazy place to watch football, all-around
Tailgating on a golf course was downright surreal for this Too Country fan.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
The Capital One Bowl isn't that good
The Stadium sucks, the area around sucks, Orlando isn’t great. Basically Outback > Capital One in everything besides the opponent.
I do what I can.
Fun fact
In 1998 the Outback Bowl picked Kentucky over a probably superior Georgia team because one of Outback’s white suit guys went to Kentucky.
Penn State would have beaten Georgia too, but still.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 3, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure where I came up with the term "white suit"
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Dec 3, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Saturday?
Dont the pairings come out on Sunday?
. . .
Phoenix is no Pasadena and, for that matter, is it better than Orlando or Tampa?
I know you’re talking about the bowl games here, but in any other context, holy hell, it’s not even close. Phoenix is awesome, Orlando and Tampa are not.
"Do not cheat your team or your teammates. Know your plays. Block. Protect. Add to what we are trying to do."
The Only Colors
Loved the citations
That both your mom and a former restaurant manager boss made appearances in the post is awesome.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Phoenix blows
I lived in Phoenix. It blows. Downtown is tiny and has nothing to see. And now that the stadium is in Glendale? Even worse. It’s a suburb in the middle of a desert. The area around it is the same stuff you get at any mall in America. That stadium is visible for miles and it makes you think of the nuclear power plant in Palo, IA – not a football venue. There is NO WHERE to stay near the stadium so WATCH your drinking and driving. This is the home of Sheriff Joe Aripaio folks and his tent city. They LOVE giving out of towners DUIs.
Now granted, the stadium is MUCH nicer than SunDevil stadium, but that puppy was right in the heart of Tempe in the Mill Ave district. went to the 2006 game there and it FELT like a bowl game. There were Iowa fans all over the place.
And you do have the weather. It should be a blissful sunny and 75 every day. It is the home of the second largest alumni group. And if you stay in Scottsdale, you too will croon about how gorgeous the desert and Phoenix is. Just remember not to actually stay in Phoenix.
Dear Diary, Kevin is so hot. Today he was raking the yard. God I wish he'd throw me into that pile of leaves.
Phoenix blows, Tampa blows, Orlando blow, everywhere blows
Let’s just skip the bowl game.
Also you should not drink and drive regardless or whether or not you’re going to get caught doing it.
everywhere a blow, blow
Careful, Michael Irvin might crash your gig.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Not convinced there's any value in beating LSU
LSU has been ridiculously overrated all year, they’ve beaten no one of note. The only thing keeping the media from acknowledging this is because they play in the SEC, and thus MUST be superior. Unfortunately, I see the media – to the extent they discuss this game as it tends to get lost in the shuffle with the Rose Bowl starting immediately afterwards followed by Sugar – coming to the realization that LSU was overrated all season and just not that good exactly .000001 seconds after Iowa beats them (of PSU). Iowa’s win will be immediately dismissed as something they “should” have achieved, because of how overrated the “experts” (funny, how the media is never the experts they claim get it wrong, it’s always some sort of wholly indpedent entity) had LSU.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
To borrow from Stoopsy's mom
Some aspect of possible Value you might consider:
1. A win. Value is inherent irregardless of poorly-perpetuated english, no?
2. Oh EM GEE Ess Eee See of course!
3. That stupid fucking hat.
4. Their pretty fun fans
5. Some killer strip clubs down the road in Tampa (that’s all I got; else…Mickey Mouse)
More to your point:
1. Decrepit stadium
2. Dangerous location (love is gonna gitcha)
3. That stupid fucking hat.
4. Ole Miss
5. They barely have a quarterback
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I'd love the Fiesta Bowl
But I still think a win vs. LSU has greater value (to the media, and thus to recruits) than a win vs. Boise St.. And I shudder to think of how we would be treated if we lose to Boise St. After all, what we want out of this bowl game is improved status — right?
No way
A BCS win is a BCS win. And Boise is ranked #6 by the way.
I do what I can.
by Anonymous Hero on Dec 3, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
EXCUSE ME
Tampa/Saint Petersburg is gorgeous, and both have thriving downtown scenes. Yes, I live here and I may be biased, but I was also raised in Waterloo for 19 years. Downtown Saint Petersburg has the best dives I’ve ever had the honor of getting plastered at. I can’t imagine what the middle of the fucking desert has over Clearwater Beach. Just sayin’. And as I’m a local, there’s nothing better than seeing Raymond James Stadium filled to the brim with Hawkeye fans.

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