Effectiveness of O'Keefe.
I know I’ll probably get shellacked on this site for saying this, but I feel that Ken O’Keefe is one of the most effective play callers/offensive coordinators in the Big Ten. And I think next year, given the returning experience, we will have not only one of the best defensives in the league, but also one of the most efficient offenses.
Over the past few seasons, O’Keefe has become the scapegoat for basically all that goes array on the field. It’s become pretty cliché’ for Iowa fans to ask for O’Keefe’s head on a regular basis (even after wins). I’ve even heard KOK get blamed for obvious defensive breakdowns; it usually goes something like this, “The defense is playing fantastic but their just gassed because O’Keefe can’t extend drives and make first downs.” Sound about right? Now, please know that I do understand the importance of giving our defense the chance to recharge their batteries from time to time, and obviously, the most effective way to do that is to hold on to the ball for longer then a 3 and out.
I’m not saying that there isn’t plenty of room for improvement on the offensive side of the ball, but I don’t think that it necessarily starts with O’Keefe and his presumed ‘bas-aackward’ play calling. Do you ever here anyone call for Norm’s head when he’s got a middle linebacker manning up on a Ted Ginn-“type” receiver. No, you don’t, because it’s part of his assignment scheme. It’ll give you headaches at times, but when it’s run properly over an extended amount of in-game time; it can be very fun to watch; much like KOK’s offensive scheme. With the right RB, a gelling offensive line, and a QB with a respectable play-fake, I really enjoy watching Iowa’s offense march down the field. I still get a little creamy when I think of my favorite drive in recent Hawkeye history; the first drive of the game during the Alamo Bowl against Texas a few years back. Six or Seven running plays to A.Y. leading to a TD and 6 or 7 minutes off the game clock.
Please take into consideration, that I have no statistical facts to back this up. In fact, part of my plan was to have these ‘shocking’ offensive statistics to show that Iowa was in the upper echelon of the conference in major statistical categories, but the fact of the matter is; they’re not (not even close). I think part of that blame (at least this year) can go towards the dependence on young running backs in an offense that strives on reading zone blocks and dictating the flow of the game (i.e. Greene) - also, the revolving door at O-Line, and an over dependence on a bunch of #2-3 receivers.
Take my word, next year will be very interesting; Stanzi will be healthy, Jewel will be ready to go (thank god), and we’ll have a string of receivers and O-Lineman with enough experience to be effective. Fans won’t be saying anything positive about the man, but their criticisms will be put to rest. This offense will be fun to watch next year…
So, next time you criticize KOK for calling a run-off-tackle on 2nd and 11, please be weary of the overall game plan. And, that Norm’s defense and KOK’s offense are eerily similar in the way they effectively operate.
On a side note, can you imagine if Norm were a “free agent” D-Coordinator and how he would sell his system to prospective head coaches?
It’d probably go something like this:
“Here’s what were gonna do: We’re going to let the opposing offense move the ball down the field on us for 3 quarters only to clamp it up when they get inside our 30 yard line. Victory for us is to give their coach the difficult decision of either a long field goal or a short punt. Follow me? Also from time to time, we’re going to put a 6’1”, 255lb. LB on their slot receiver. Follow me? We’re only going to blitz a few times a game, because I think that four defensive lineman can get all the pressure on the QB that we need. Follow me?” Point is: he’d probably get laughed out the door.
Bottom line is this: There will be some goof-ups on both sides of the ball, but all in all, given the correct/experienced personnel, they are both a thing of beauty. Right?
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No guff from me;
I’m (for the most part) a KOK fan too.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 15, 2009 10:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe...
Ken, like Guy Fleegman, is the comic relief?
Now, look around; can you construct some sort of rudimentary lathe?
by Bucketochicken on Dec 15, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Galaxy Quest is one helluva underated movie.
Never give up. Never surrender!
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Dec 15, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And the lead nerd's name in the movie?
Brandon Wheeger.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 15, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So the Mac guy is Iowa's freshman phenom running back?
Head asploded
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Dec 15, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just lost my mind.
Brunettes not fighter jets
by rockyh on Dec 15, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You sure you had it in the first place?
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 15, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky Stanzi looks like the Scorpio Killer
I like this.
"Andrew Jones....SEND IT IN, BIG FELLA!" - Bill Raftery, 4/2/09
by ReadingRambler on Dec 15, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
KOK is fine by me
I think Iowa would look retarded running the spread…it just would look so wierd. The Jets game against TB is the kind of football I like. one team humiliating the other with running and suffocating, unyielding defense.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 15, 2009 12:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I second that!
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." HST
by Dip-Shit on Dec 15, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. There's something magical about an old fashioned slobberknocking asskicking.
Its a very personal way of transmitting the message “We are a better football team than you.”
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 15, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not comparable
Any attempt to compare KOK to Parker is off base, if for no other reason than Iowa’s D is, more often than not, dominant. As far as I am concerned, any frustration anyone may have about specific attributes of Norm’s game plan evaporates under the intense glare of the most important defense statistic: points allowed. KOK deserves no such shelter, because, as the numbers bear out, Iowa’s O typically varies between mediocre and not good.
For the record, I really don’t have a problem with KOK’s general scheme. The frustrating thing is that all too often KOK displays an abject failure to recognize and adapt to what is actually happening on the field. I am not going to recover this ground, since Bellanca has scribed many tomes on the issue. But suffice it to say, the examples are numerous and consistent through out KOKs career at Iowa.
Ankles! We don't need no stinking ankles!
by three and out the kok story on Dec 15, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was waiting for your arrrival...
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 15, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I tried to leave it alone
but Greenwooded Lickerlitered
Ankles! We don't need no stinking ankles!
by three and out the kok story on Dec 15, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There was an interesting discussion about this... I can't remember if it was on BHGP
Or another Iowa board.
But it was pointed out that most teams do a lot of scripting even after the first series of plays… I believe Walsh and later Siefert (?) were famous for this on the 49ers. Just because you go 3 and out (great handle, BTW) on the first series doesn’t necessarily invalidate the script, which I understand often goes to 20 plays or more. Theoretically, that should cover 2-3 possessions (with a score at the end) depending on how well the offense moves the ball against defense (in other words, perfect execution).
When you’ve got superior athletes against an opposing team… assuming your guys give 100% and don’t slack off, and the opponent doesn’t play way over its head, the script will work beautifully. Its like that game Brees threw two weeks ago. He put that ball where NO one but the WR could catch it, and the WRs caught it and the Saints went on a stomp fest.
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 15, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Walsh wrote in one of his books
that there was too much pressure and chaos once the game started for even Bill Fucking Walsh to ad lib the play calls. He scripted 15 of them on Wednesday night.
What does this mean?
It’s not the play call, it’s the execution. I suspect Ferentz has read the book.
If we’re going to blast KOK, focus on his QB development as QB coach. It’s not so good.
But playcalling is a deadend. He runs what the HC wants, and he runs it well.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 16, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken, but...
Not necessarily tryin to compare the two strategically; more or less just saying that we don’t give KOK quite the amount of slack that we do Norm. Most of reasoning became a rambling, but you get the idea..
And for the record, Norm also consistently displays an abstract failure to recognize what’s going on in the game… but, with patience normally comes success….
"Are you sayin' Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by DCHawkeye07 on Dec 15, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's face it, Norms just a loveable ruffian
KOK doesn’t have the same panache.
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 15, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiousity
How much more patience should we have? I believe 11 years should be enough to install and effectuate a system. Norm gets slack because he has earned it through several years of overall stellar defenses. In my opinion, KOK has not earned the slack because his results are not only not stellar, they are often just plain bad.
To be clear, I am not calling for KOK’s head. He is what he is and as long as the overall record is good, I am of the bloc that says, leave well enough alone.
Ankles! We don't need no stinking ankles!
by three and out the kok story on Dec 15, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reacting to what's on the field...
So you’re saying KOK doesn’t handle situations like what’s below well?
Wow.
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 15, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
"Are you sayin' Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by DCHawkeye07 on Dec 16, 2009 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? How can you possibly say this?
When has KOK been unconstrained by not coaching under Ferentz?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Dec 16, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1987
he had hair down to his shoulders then too.
Honestly, the dude is totally bottled up by Ferentz. If he had his way, Iowa would do as follows:
bomb, reverse, half-back pass, shuttle pass, bomb, bomb, statue of liberty, QB sneak.
And he would do it on every series, so the Hawkeye fans would be content to know we are not conservative. That is the true KOK.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 16, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, though
I think we throw downfield a lot compared to other teams that are supposed to balance the pass/run… not as much as a spread offense, but it feels like to me we have been taking a lot more shots downfield this year than in past years. However, that may also be because we don’t have a running threat like Greene this year – pass to establish the run….
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 16, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's just arithmetic.
KOK goes where we have the advantage, and if they want to stuff 8 in the box, fine, we’re going … downtown.
GT, I predict, stuffs the box. One of these days, Stanzi is going to go apeshit long, and we’ll have four quarters like the 4th against Indiana. That’s how you get to 80-17, or whatever it was.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 16, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But he'll have at least 10 INTs in that game.
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 16, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this one of those 'double-negative' statements...
That when i say one thing, it will actually mean the complete opposite?
"Are you sayin' Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by DCHawkeye07 on Dec 16, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It isn’t not a non-double negative…
by Bucketochicken on Dec 16, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm confused
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Dec 16, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where's the Gimp Suit then?
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 16, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
KOK = glitter banana boat
Ferentz = grandpa’s tighty whities
by fivewords on Dec 16, 2009 11:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think I just threw up in my mouth
At the thought of KOK and glitter banana boat.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Dec 16, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
KOK's real challenge
is to produce ONE QB who starts in the NFL.
He’s not going to get a head coaching job, if he even wants one.
But he should produce ONE QB WHO STARTS IN THE NFL.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 16, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought his real challenge was to use the Mrs. Doubtfire voice at all times
Although that’s gotta be kind of hard to hear on the sidelines at times.
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 16, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is KOKs problem. I think he’s a decent OC. But why, as the qb coach, do the qbs get unbetter?
by txhawkeye on Dec 16, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But that's not true.
Brad Banks got better from ‘01 to ’02. Drew Tate improved considerably as a quarterback from ’04 to ’05—in ’06, the rib injuries hindered his throwing ability and he never got on track. Jake Christensen was thrown into a blender and never recovered. I’d take ‘08 Ricky over ’07 Ricky, and I’ll likely take ’09 Ricky over both.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Dec 17, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does Rick have a shot at the next level?
He’s got the measurables that other play-making Iowa QB’s havent had in the past.
"Are you sayin' Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by DCHawkeye07 on Dec 17, 2009 6:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Dec 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No particular reason...
just curious. Stanzi has been compared to a one Brady for sometime now…
"Are you sayin' Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by DCHawkeye07 on Dec 17, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He might get a shot, but he'll be a real late draft round pick if at all...
He’s got that intangible “ability to win and not get shaken.” A NFL team might look at the passing issues as being developmental, but other than that, he has all the skills to succeed at the next level as a pocket passer, except for learning how to look off receivers (which is one reason he gets picked so much).
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Dec 17, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, I was replying to Bellanca.
Why should KOK produce a starting NFL quarterback?
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Dec 17, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Norm used to coached linebackers.
They start in the NFL.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 16, 2009 2:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Getting LBs is a bit easier than getting a QB
that starts in the NFL. That is one of the most elite jobs in the world. But I get your point. But he does some decent shit with guys who cannot get a cup of coffee in the NFL (Tate & Banks). Of course, they lack the measurables.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 16, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go watch Rogers against Michigan
in the early 90’s on Hulu, best Big 10 games series. It’s shocking to see the confidence and fun out there.
Something is missing from our QB coaching.
How about we just get an SUI QB on a practice squad?
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 16, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right that KOK does not really coach technique
but instead teaches how to run an offense and read defenses. I’m sure they teach handoff, some footwork and such, but physical technique (particularly throwing) does not seem to be addressed by Iowa coaches. Having said that, I would bet a lot of teams don’t do that. I recall Christensen going to DeBerg’s camp and all kind of technique gurus and he didn’t really grow either. It is a strange and hard position to try to develop.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 16, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What can anyone really learn from DeBerg?
Except how to get sacked and throw INT’s
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 17, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know a former QB who is not doing much right now...
Should they see if Long wants to come back and coach QBs
by nwyms Trebek! on Dec 16, 2009 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he's the new OC for Kansas
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 16, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad, really...
Imagine: Rick goes and turns into a miraculous passing machine under just one year of tutelage.
by Paladin58 on Dec 16, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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