The Big Ten Network Is Like Our Very Own Fox News And We Are Totally Okay With That
You know what's nice about being the top team in the Big Ten? The fact that we've got our very own network, and that network is completely down with carrying our water, no questions asked.
Witness the BTN's Mike Hall, who just penned a spirited defense that--ahem--may, just may, cover some of the same ground as the UI's press release.from earlier this week. For example:
I think what matters is what you know, not what you think.
And that is why I know that Iowa is not getting the respect its deserves.
This is the great Pat Forde's latest column. He writes: "Seven teams (the six remaining FBS undefeateds and Oregon) deserve to be ranked ahead of (Iowa)." Pat is the best writer in college sports. But in this instance he is dead wrong.
He then goes through the four main schedule-based points, all of which are, admittedly, firmly in Iowa's favor. All that stuff about losing eight of the nine games this season, though? Losing to UNI, PSU, MSU, and Indiana in the 4th quarter? BAH! One karate slap away from irrelevance:
I know people are skeptical of Iowa because of their late escapes against decent or good opponents and slim wins over bad ones. But everybody has bad games. If you're unbeaten, I'm more concerned with your good wins than your bad ones. And are those good wins better than the other unbeatens'?
Everyone has bad games! Iowa just, y'know, always has them for at least two quarters per game. Problem solved.
Now, we don't think Mike Hall is a liar; far from it, he's talented at what he does and everything that he says in this article is true. It's just debatable whether he'd afford, say, Arizona State the same luxury if they were in Iowa's position and the Hawkeyes were putting together a season like Florida's.
Indeed, coverage without bias--complete objectivity--is a myth, and as long as a media organization stays away from out-and-out lies (it's not like Fox News says Obama drives spaceships and zaps churches, after all), then a little pro-base editorializing is not only inevitable, but preferable to the charade of abject objectivity. Plus, it's not like there isn't a mammoth conflict of interest between the BXI and BTN to begin with.
But hey, you know what? If it levels the playing field--or, at the very least, helps get the rest of the BXI on the "Iowa deserves this" message, so much the better, right? After all, when participation in the title game can come down to the kneejerk opinions of 60-odd coaches' assistants and the weird Skull-and-Bonesy "Harris Poll," political posturing is key, and having an entire media organization to do so is pretty enjoyable.
Does it make us feel dirty? Sure, but college football stopped being clean decades ago. Just carry that water and we can sort out the good feelings later.
[By the way, BHGP endorses no political views. Further, BHGP thinks your political views are stupid, inaccurate, and certain to lead to world destruction. If all you gathered from this article was that it's okay to talk about politics here, we will shoot you into the sun.
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Max Baucus (D-MT)
has a little known fact. When he’s in his office he entertains his staffers by wearing a red nose. Also he juggles like a motherfucker.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 6, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What bothers me...
is that the Big 10 coaches don’t support their own. At the end of the season, pretty much for the last 5 years, the winner of the SEC had nearly 100% of the 1st place votes from it’s coaches.
The big 10 coaches don’t seem to do that year in and year out, they need to start supporting their league.
by sfshilo on Nov 6, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
The coaches should rank the teams fairly. As much as I like watching the Buckeyes get their ass kicked in a bowl game every year, I know it’s bad for the Big XI’s image and thus bad for Iowa in both it’s ability to recruit and the way the pollsters and public perceive their prowess on the field.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
by Flakbait on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Screw that....
The big 12 does it all the time. If no one is going to give the Big 10 some love, the coaches better start by respecting each other..
by sfshilo on Nov 6, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what bothers me
What bothers me is that the SEC coaches do that. (Hell, what really bothers me is that the coaches’ votes count for shit.)
by SpartanDan on Nov 6, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Kirk Ferentz drove a spaceship
by Wegher Please! on Nov 6, 2009 8:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
IF he had a spaceship, I wonder what he would call it?
The Playaction
The Smashmouth
The Not Too High, Not Too Low
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 6, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Blank Expression
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 6, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More Like
Poker Face
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Nov 6, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd call it the Chevy.
And he’d tell us that even though it’s a spaceship, it isn’t “sexy.”
And then he’d proceed to make the Kessel Run in less than 5 parsecs and say he doesn’t understand how he did it either.
by DonnyDonovan on Nov 6, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
@ Donny...
+5 parsecs.
Excellent comment.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the That's Where We're At
the That’s Who We Are
the Good, Solid Football
the Third and Six
the January Bowl
Rosie
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 6, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you are saying you're FOR a flat tax?
Well then “Get on the bus!”
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 6, 2009 8:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this article
But does anyone outside of the Big Ten watch the BTN?
by J.R. Angle has a posse on Nov 6, 2009 8:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If this were Arizona State in our position
I’d tell them to go get their own conference network to do the talking for them.
As long as there are people with a voice and a medium to pen their displeasure in our “imperfect perfect” season so far, as long as we have a coach who has far better things to do with his time than to get in some media war-of-words over the very subjective topic of “greatness,” then I’m quite fine with folks at the BTN stumping for us – conflict of interest be damned.
by Twin Cities Hawk on Nov 6, 2009 8:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great line:
“then a little pro-base editorializing is not only inevitable, but preferable to the charade of abject objectivity.”
I’ve thought this for years but have never put it so eloquently. Well done.
by Internet Legend on Nov 6, 2009 8:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder of FoxNews is Mike Hall's "Dream Job"?
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 6, 2009 9:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mike Hall's dream job (I hope for his sake)
is his current job.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 6, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed
that in the last 24-ish hours, ESPN has severely backed off of their anti-Iowa rhetoric and has taken the approach that good teams find a way to win regardless of what has happened earlier in the game. Perhaps they think they’ve discovered the secret to keeping ’God’s Team’ from prevailing again, which is to actually give them credit/respect. Sorry, losers, you had your chance to join us on this magical ride. Next bus leaves next September!
by Swarley on Nov 6, 2009 9:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Probably because
this morning I saw (ESPN guy who’s name I forget) predict LSU to beat Alabama, and if that happens – which they might, and Florida loses in the SEC championship – which they could, then all the shit they’ve been saying the past few weeks will be shot to hell. Texas and Iowa at the top of BCS?? I could be wrong but it sounds ok to me.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Nov 6, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
nothing like having egg all over your face if you’re the WWL. All of this is a pointless if the Hawks don’t handle their business tomorrow, though, so I’ve decided not to worry too much about. I’m just gonna sit back, enjoy the ride, and let the chips fall where they may. We’ll see where we are after the Minnesota game.
by Swarley on Nov 6, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
I saw this bit. The ESPN analyst was actually saying that if LSU won out, LSU would “certainly” be in the BCS Championship. Not Iowa.
by NHguy on Nov 6, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then he’s a fucking moron, unless he’s assuming Iowa going to OSU is an auto-loss. (Which is nearly as fucking moronic.)
No unbeaten BCS-conference team is going to get passed over for a one-loss team, unless the voters in question have a large amount of stock in Iowa Torch and Pitchfork, Inc. It would be the end of the BCS as we know it. (Which might not be a bad thing in the long run, though it would obviously suck hard for the shaftees in the short term.)
by SpartanDan on Nov 6, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a huge difference
between an opinion piece that has some facts and stats to back that opinion up (what Mike Hall did) and what Fox News does.
I’m not saying BTN is unbiased or never wrong. They don’t even pretend to cover all of college football. Other conferences come up from time to time but that’s usually because a Big XI team is playing them and what I’ve seen has been a pretty fair assesment of those others teams.
Also, when talking about two football teams there is a lot of subjectivity and context to flavor an opinion, who here thinks throwing into a stiff wind didn’t play a role in the 3rd quarter of Indiana? Well, that and some KOK play calling… the analysts disagree on stuff all the time.
Fox, on the other hand (and I know this will bunch up some undies) has had countless proven factual problems and even most of the right wingers wink when they say it’s unbiased. That would be fine if they didn’t try to tell us that they are a “fair and balanced” news organization which they are clearly not.
To compare the two organziations is really a slap in the face to BTN. You could have, and should have, come up with a much better analogy.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
by Flakbait on Nov 6, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
But then there's
Shep Smith…Mr. Fair and Balanced himself.
Of course, we know why he’s the Fox misfit…
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 6, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
....
Let’s try and stay away from stuff like this. Thanks.
by TAMPAHAWK on Nov 6, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I may be new here
but I’ve been around the internet longer than Stanzi’s been out of diapers, so I’m pretty familiar with how it works. If the author doesn’t want to get called on a really bad analogy then he shouldn’t make it.
StoopsMyAss had a point on Shep Smith. Forgot about him.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
by Flakbait on Nov 6, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We' re all freinds here
I was trying to be funny more than opiniacale.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 6, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally understood that
I was responding to Flakbait.
by TAMPAHAWK on Nov 6, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just as a note
The BTN is owned by (or is a division of) Fox Sports, if I’m not mistaken.
by Buddy Light on Nov 6, 2009 9:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They own 49% or something like that, I think
The rest is owned, obviously, by the conference itself.
by NorseHawk on Nov 6, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I recall the same...
Norse.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pat is the best writer in college sports.
?
by gumbercules on Nov 6, 2009 9:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No kidding...
talk about a shill.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 6, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But he has Dashettes, APB's out on old college football players and recommends places to eat across various college towns!
Why, he’s the CFB version of Peter King.
by Twin Cities Hawk on Nov 6, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Oops Pow Surprise on Nov 6, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Forde is a bit of a...
douche. I don’t know him personally, so I can’t base my opinion on that, but I am calling him a douche because of how and what he writes.
Although, I do like it when he gets on his high horse about slimy college basketball coaches like Calipari.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tight with Captain Kirk on this one.
Fuck all this BCS shit talk. I don’t give a hairy rat’s ass what the MSM thinks of Iowa. Let’s just take care of business tomorrow and let the chips fall where they may.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 6, 2009 11:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
No offense, but seriously? Are we really “complaining” that the BTN is pro BXI? Isn’t that the point of having your very own network? Fully admit I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, so I may have missed something. Also, it’s coming up on noon on Friday so daddy’s looking for a liquid lunch.
by Imustbreakyou on Nov 6, 2009 11:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
From the post (I believe the author's opinion lies below):
“Indeed, coverage without bias—complete objectivity—is a myth, and as long as a media organization stays away from out-and-out lies (it’s not like Fox News says Obama drives spaceships and zaps churches, after all), then a little pro-base editorializing is not only inevitable, but preferable to the charade of abject objectivity. Plus, it’s not like there isn’t a mammoth conflict of interest between the BXI and BTN to begin with.”
by Twin Cities Hawk on Nov 6, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, the SEC has its own network
it’s called CBS. And ESPN.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Nov 6, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And also The Rest of Broadcast Media....
…..even zombies in horror films are wearing Tebow for Mayor t-shirts as they stagger toward that spunky band of survivors hold-up in that derelict ready-mix concrete company site.
Also, the BTN should be pro-B10 in its COVERAGE, but not in its opinions, IMO. You can cover something to death, but you should always keep it in its proper perspective.
Which, really, they ARE. No one at the BTN to my knowledge is saying Uof I is the best team in the nation—just that they are likely deserving of being #4. Not really over the top in bias, I think.
Also, please no more political opinions here. I come here to get the fuck AWAY from political opinions.
That being said, Obama just de-molecularized the 3rd Baptist Church on 4th and Main from his sausage-shaped brightly-lit spaceship not more than ten minutes ago. Typical socialist.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Nov 6, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
god, those commies are always doing that
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Oops Pow Surprise on Nov 6, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just love the editor's note at the bottom
Hilarious.
by burncruisin on Nov 6, 2009 2:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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