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Off Topic: The Ft. Hood Shootings

By now, we're sure the vast, vast majority of you have heard about the havoc and bloodshed this afternoon down at Fort Hood, where a very disturbed Army Major shot and killed 13 of his fellow soldiers, while wounding another 31.

One of the wounded is one of my longest acquaintances, someone whom I've known for as long as I can remember. The good news is that her injuries aren't life-threatening; she was shot straight through her lower left arm, and she awaits reconstructive surgery once the hospitals can handle her. Eventually, she'll be something approximating okay.

The bad news, of course, is that she--like over 40 of her fellow soldiers--was shot.

We'll skip the "this puts it all in perspective" bullshit; it's a tremendous insult of one's intelligence to think that they need a horrific mass murder to be reminded that sports aren't life. In case you couldn't tell, we don't take much of anything at BHGP very seriously. At all.

But when this, the most frightening and evil of human expressions happens (and hits so close to home), there are some things I can't help but feel and express. Apologies if this rambles or whatever, but I'm not trying to win a Pulitzer here.

I feel for the families of the dead whose grief is inestimable. I feel for the wounded and their families as well, whose lives may never be the same. I feel for the family of the gunman, who must have been mortified beyond belief. I feel for the Muslim members of this country who have never wanted to kill a soul but now have to catch shit for this. I feel for all the soldiers who were preparing for a third or fourth tour of duty, only to see this happen on their own base. I feel especially for those at the scene who were suffering from an undiagnosed case of PTSD, who are now likely plunged into an incomprehensible mental hell.

I also feel enormous anger and frustration that this would ever happen and that's impossible to definitively prevent from ever happening again. Regardless of your thoughts on warfare or the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan--rest assured, this is neither the time nor place for any of that in either direction--it's plainly obvious that something has gone very, very wrong here, and I hope whatever breakdown led to this mass killing never happens again.

Further, I hope the kneejerk solution isn't to assume all people--active military members included--are potential murderers unless proven otherwise, and I hope that such trust isn't abused like it was today.

And I sure hope my old friend ends up okay, physically and mentally.

That's all.

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Hope your friend is OK after going through that, wow.

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by Not Marv Cook on Nov 5, 2009 11:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Amen.

I work for the VA in Waco, and we have a lot of employees who were once posted at Fort Hood or who have family members there. I can’t imagine what they…and the victims of this crime, all of those stationed at Fort Hood and their families, and the communities of Killeen and Temple are going through. I hope your friend will be okay.

"Sweet lady fate, why dost thou piss on me so?"

by bluearmadillo on Nov 6, 2009 5:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

OPS, I've got buddies down at Hood...

assigned to 4th ID and 1st Cav. I haven’t heard from any of them. I’m glad to hear that your friend will recover, physically. The mental scars from war and traumatic events like this don’t heal quite as quickly. I encourage you to reach out to her a little more frequently in the next few weeks to remind her that she has your support and the support of the BHGP community.

KOK, you might be a genius...

by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 6, 2009 6:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts and prayers

are with all those affected by this tragedy.

by Pain in the Sash on Nov 6, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

“I feel for the Muslim members of this country who have never wanted to kill a soul but now have to catch shit for this.”

Amen. Unfortunately, there will be a rather significant part of our population who will undoubtedly be the ones who will raise eyebrows the next time they see an American Muslim soldier. Just as I imagine that there were Asian students and kids in black coats who probably felt the cold stares from fellow students at Virginia Tech and high schools across the nation following the shootings at Tech and Columbine.

I’m not an overly reglious person, but I pray for all the families affected by this and I pray for the family of the shooter. Remember, before you judge, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

by Twin Cities Hawk on Nov 6, 2009 9:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

This thing makes no sense - like Va. Tech

Hope all ends up well with your friend and the other victims and families.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 6, 2009 12:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Of course...

we all have a huge amount of sympathy for the people who were wounded or killed.

It is somewhat interesting to me, that for most of American History (at least, before Vietnam), soldiers have been glorified to the point that many of us rarely think about the mental and emotional burdens they carry with them after they get home. About 99.5% of the movies and TV shows and video games about war or soldiers out there depict people who are basically killing machines, and who might have to overcome a minor wound to continue punishing the enemy. But they never break down, or show mental or emotional weakness.

This has influenced me to the point that, when I first hear a story like this, my initial reaction is “what a wuss, the dude was back home, why kill your brothers/sisters in arms?”

However, if I stop and think for a minute, I will realize that one of my own grandfathers was never really mentally the same after WWII, and I will realize that one of my aunts works for the VA and could tell me countless stories of her efforts to make sure that soldiers who need treatment (physical and mental) do get that important care.

Finally, I think about my current friends who are in Afghanistan, or who have been to Iraq, and I hope that they can find a mental and spiritual peace that allows them to lead a healthy life when they return.

So, while I want to say “I don’t feel sorry for that jerk who did the shooting,” I guess a more thoughtful response somewhat tones down that anger, but does not eliminate the depressing aspects of the story. I assume this is kind of like what the soldiers try to do when they come home: quiet the anger, and live through the depression.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 6, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Then again, this guy hadn't been overseas or seen any combat at all....

….or so the networks are reporting. He’s an Army psychiatrist who, it appears, was underneath an Islamofascist ready to explode. Apparently there were warning signs beforehand which were ignored—as they too often are (see VT massacre).

In truth, this just goes to show that nutjobs with no respect for human life can exist within something as carefully structured and monitored as the US Army, and can perform tasks as humanitarian and altruistic as the practice of medicine.

There are crazy homocidal nutjobs everywhere, I’m afraid. The trick is this:

Living your life to its fullest despite that knowledge.

A sad, sad story.

If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.

by The Director on Nov 6, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What you said above is correct

And even if he had been deployed, he wouldn’t have seen combat but would have been in a “medical support” role or whatever term they use.

It’s terrible that he was still in the Army when he was praising suicide bombers on the internet.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Nov 6, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

Well said sir.

by burncruisin on Nov 6, 2009 2:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If you are referring to the same girl...

Word was that she began rendering aid to those “more severely” injured. That’s heroic.

"I'm not doing any good back here."

by Hawkaloogie on Nov 6, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

OPS,

I know just about as much about football as the next guy, but I know a whole lot about the military. Especially the Army. Even my BHGP name is from my military designator. I won’t go into a long discourse on soldier as warrior, that’s for another hundred pages another day.

I will point out this one irony. This Muslim Terrorist, (whether he was working rogue or part of a cell, he was/is a Muslim Terrorist none the less) was (according to MSM) shot four times, put down paralyzed, at point blank range, by an American woman, herself taking rounds in the exchange.

Thank God that we are so strong that even our women can beat their men.

by Zulu on Nov 9, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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