In Defense of Kirk Ferentz and the Dreaded Fact Sheet (With Some Help From an Old Friend)
Okay, okay, okay. We have to talk about this Jenni Carlson column--and, by proxy, don't we? Hlas wrote about it, but let's be honest; the Gazette is not exactly a rock of journalistic credibility. (/mgo'd)
First, the back story. Earlier this week, the Iowa athletic department issued a missive to media members decrying the latest lazy narrative that Iowa didn't deserve their spot in the BCS or national rankings. While most writers responded with a typical guffaw and "wow boy these Iowa guys sure are dumb for trying to tell me what to think," Ms. Carlson took a (slightly) different tack. As she says:
The headline on his e-mail: GET THE CORRECT FACTS ON IOWA FOOTBALL
I don’t know about you, but that seems pretty demanding to me. Haddy writes, "It seems popular for national pundits to criticize the University of Iowa football team these days. Many have said Iowa doesn’t belong on the same board with Florida, Texas, Alabama, Cincinnati, TCU, Oregon or Boise State."
I have to admit — I stopped reading right there.
It wasn’t because the e-mail was whiny, although it was. It wasn’t because I’m not interested in Iowa, because I am. (I can’t for the life of me figure out how they’re still undefeated.) No, I quit reading because the person who should’ve received that e-mail instead of me was Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz.
Just last week he said, "Realistically, I still have a hard time picturing us in the top 10."
Listen, if the coach of the team has a hard time believing that it belongs in the top 10, much less the national championship conversation, it’s going to be difficult for an e-mail from the PR office to sway me.
Strong words indeed.
Now, we could fisk her and point out the litany of logical errors in her column--like that it's not Kirk Ferentz's job to lobby in the media and that the coaches who do usually suck pretty hard at actual coaching--but we won't. We could also just plain call bullshit--like she doesn't care about Iowa since she's writing an entire post about our team--but we won't. We could even question her motive--perhaps what she really wants is the ability to publicly disagree with a prominent football coach of a team in the national spotlight instead of a faceless athletic department--but we won't.
Instead, we'll defer to an old friend of ours, who is a man, and of a certain age.
THREE FOURTHS OF THIS IS INACARATE
WHERE ARE WE AT IN SOCIETY TODAY
.
Um, wait. We haven't really started.
So anyway, Coach Gundy, your thoughts on the notion that an athletic department and a coach can have divergent opinions on the quality of their team?
Aaaand the refusal to acknowledge Ferentz as the most conservative slow-player with the Big 10 press whose name doesn't rhyme with Schmaterno?
I was thinking we could use a folksy colloquialism like "he wouldn't call a nickel with a straight flush," but all right. Anything else you feel like saying about Coach Ferentz?
He... what? No he doesn't. I mean, like, he's respectful to the media and public, nobody's ever going to dispute that, but class? What class does Kirk Ferentz go to?
Actually, OPS, I'm just having a quick laugh to bring some levity to this situation. Obviously, when a football team finds itself #1 in the computer projections and #8 in national polls, there's a big gap between perception and data-based reality, and Phil Haddy probably never would have issued any public statement if he didn't have a coach like Ferentz--whose no-nonsense, football-first personality dictates seeing no value in engaging in the PR battle that dominates college football these days.
It seems like both the AD and the coach are doing their respective jobs, and Carlson's complaints don't seem like the type that would disappear if Ferentz took her advice--just complaints that would be replaced by other convenient complaints as the situation dictates. She's not the real problem here, the problem is a road date in Columbus that just about everyone in Iowa has been chalking up as a loss since the schedule came out.
Wow, Mr. Gundy. Anything else?
One more thing; although there may be too much nuance for the point to be well-taken, I feel like it needs to be said all the same.
God, I walked straight into that one, didn't I?
BHGP would like to thank Coach Gundy for nothing.
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I could say that ...
OPS is a literary genius, but I won’t.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 4, 2009 8:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That sow needs to find a man so she can cook him a turkey pot pie.

Delightful, I’m sure.
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 4, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That was unnecessary
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Nov 4, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Recon, I'm siding with HoyaGoon on this one
There are many female readers of BHGP, and many of them are larger than Ms. Carlson. I do not want them to feel unwelcome or otherwise belittled by our community.
Ms. Carlson wrote a stupid column, and we can judge her on the merits of that column. To make it personal like this is to cede the main argument as lost.
I know you were just trying to make a joke, but this is not the appropriate place to do so.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Oops Pow Surprise on Nov 4, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I deducted two points for the word "sow"....
….for Oops reasoning above, but awarded HoyaGoon 2 1/2 points for “turkey pot pie.”
Yes, I laugh-ted at “turkey pot pie.” Remove “sow” and that’s pretty damn funny.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Nov 4, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have female readers?!
Then about half of my posts should be removed
by Duez I say on Nov 4, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
checking in!
and most of the stuff I’ve seen on here doesn’t bother me in the least. The “sow” comment however does – pigs are very intelligent animals, and I would bet most of them would agree she’s the exact opposite.
I have occupational turrettes... My job makes me swear uncontrolably at everyone.
by Ioweegin on Nov 4, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great to have you here
Go western Iowa
by Duez I say on Nov 4, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Council-Tucky in the house bizniches!
God I’m lame.
I have occupational turrettes... My job makes me swear uncontrolably at everyone.
by Ioweegin on Nov 4, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Staying true to my promise
I won’t bash this latest media member to poke holes in our balloon.
Instead, I’ll just speculate she whines and gives pouty faces during sex.
by Twin Cities Hawk on Nov 4, 2009 8:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do more of these. Helps my sick feelings of this Saturday go away.
by txhawkeye on Nov 4, 2009 8:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
She's just stuck in the
Echo Chamber…like so many.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 4, 2009 9:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
A Question
I ask this as an opposing fan (who was pointing out in the open game threads that you were going to win at halftime, by the way) who doesn’t completely hate all of you.
Why do you even pay attention to columnists? They may write pretty sentences, but they know less about football than the average labradoodle. Why not just pay attention to the beat writers (who are actually very important to football fans) and ignore the people who are paid to stir up controversy? Just kick back, read the depth chart and injury updates from your underpaid beat writers, and discuss the goings-on of your currently-undefeated season with people here who actually understand the game.
Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.
by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Nov 4, 2009 9:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My LabraDoodle took Iowa against Indiana and laid the lumber.
That’s a damn smart dog.
by HawkeyePapyrus on Nov 4, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's our endearing and refreshingly honest
low self-esteem that drives us. Prince would never have materialized in Cedar Rapids you see. By the same token, the Would’s Largest Cheeto would never have materialized in Minnehaha.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/03/05/offbeat.big.cheeto/index.html
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 4, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you were picking Iowa to win and kept saying to relax. You sir, are either some kind of savant or torturing our souls. I think Messrs HS and OPS are trying to get their fine site back to its primary mission by refusing to take these things seriously. It’s gone very high on the angst scale.
by txhawkeye on Nov 4, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True enough
except for the “may write pretty sentences” Or maybe that’s just Harty.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 4, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GARBIDGE!
I love it. And in response to the question about brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless columnists – it’s because many of them actually influence the BCS poll. And we would like to move up.
by Imustbreakyou on Nov 4, 2009 9:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
1) Thank You OPS - now my keyboard is covered with frappuccino...
2) POLITICS – I hate them and I hate when they’re involved in things that they have no right being in, like sports. However, they are there nonetheless, and when you have to deal with 80%* of the popular vote saying “You’re just not GOOD enough for us”, the immediate response is either a very loud “FUCK YOU! (we’re Iowa)” or “Just you wait!”. I know none of us can really just ignore the idiots like mom told we should – but sometimes I think it can be good just to say “Fuck it.” and let it go. I know the BCS is a big effing deal, and I’m not saying that the Hawk’s treatment lately hasn’t been unfair – but maybe we could take a page from Captain Kirk’s book and let it go?
*Yeah, i just pulled that number out of my ass
I have occupational turrettes... My job makes me swear uncontrolably at everyone.
by Ioweegin on Nov 4, 2009 10:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I almost, almost had to skip down to the 'I'm a Man!' quote.
But so glad i didn’t.
Excellent.
by HawkeyePapyrus on Nov 4, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Beautious
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 4, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've been going over this in my head
and the further we get in this season, the less and less I give a shit about what the vast majority of the national sports douche-noogles has to say about our currently unbeatable Hawkeyes. In fact, most of them are right, we’re not the best team in the country, but I like to see one of their beloved media darlings fucking beat us.
I’m with Kirk on this one; things should work themselves out, if they don’t, fuck ‘em.
We should focus on realizing that we’re playing justNorthwestern on Saturday and you know their 37 fans have freshly pressed their purple Armani suits and gotten at least one more degree since last year.
by Rollin_Woolridge on Nov 4, 2009 10:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I just loved how at the presser Cap'n Kirk just wanted to talk about Chase Utley.
by HawkeyePapyrus on Nov 4, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which begs the question given the discovery of Kirk's man-love for Utley...
Would Chase Utley be a safety, QB, or MLB on this team?
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 4, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk's Demeanor
I wish that for just a day I could be in Ferentz’s head. His team is undefeated, #4 in the country and there is this constant media noise eminating both from his program and about his program. Yet he still goes to his press conference and appears to genuinely not know where his team is ranked. It seems like absolutely nothing bothers him and I find that pretty amazing.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 4, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The media has never been on our side...
That is until our 3 star recruits suddenly get drafted into the NFL, then…were not so bad..
by Put Down the Haterade on Nov 4, 2009 11:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
and walk ons
_ They took the bar! The whole fucking bar!-John Blutosky Animal House)
by John Hartlieb is stiil a stud! on Nov 4, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Typo or over my head?
Now, we could fisk her and point out the litany of logical errors in her column
What’s a fisking?
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"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 4, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"What's a fisking?"
Briefly, it’s the type of action you usually have to pay double for, Cotton.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Nov 4, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares what she looks like?
She’s from Oklahoma. Have you ever been there, it’s not a state full of educated rational people.
by JasHawk on Nov 4, 2009 1:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I drive through OK
when I go back to TX to visit my family. The worst part of the trip is driving through OK. None of them understand the “slower traffic keep right” signs posted all over every highway. I find myself road raging more there than everywhere else combined, and I have to drive through Dallas. I would drive around, but that would add way too many hours. Fortunately, on the last trip, my wife drove through OK (she is much more patient than I).
by TEXaco on Nov 4, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was in Oklahoma for a long weekend several decades ago.
The only interesting thing that happened was a tornado that destroyed a trailer park south of town.
by Zulu on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This has nothing to do with anything above but....
Did you see this Angererer quote in reference to the usual media blatherers (specifically Rome, Bayless, Cowherd, Palmer, Holtz)?
“It’s funny sometimes,” linebacker Pat Angerer said. “It doesn’t really matter what those guys say. I could beat up the majority of them, so I could care less.”
OK, He’s an awesome linebacker, his name is Angerer and he judges the media by his ablility to kick their respective asses. I FUCK LOVE THIS GUY!
by HawkeyePapyrus on Nov 4, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It should be "couldn't care less", Pat!
But yes that is hilarious and Pat Angerer is fucking awesome. He has yet to give an interview this year that didn’t crack me up. He’s a pretty cool guy too, from the one time I hung out with him a couple years back.
by NorseHawk on Nov 4, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how much I would pay
To watch Angerer absolutly brutalize Cowherd. He’s the main reason I don’t watch or listen to ESPN any more.
by Rollin_Woolridge on Nov 5, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BHGP is now the first site I look at every day
Which should make them proud and my family distraught.
by HeartOfHawkness on Nov 4, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
RE:
The Woman Who wrote this….first off…how much does she really know about College Football, besides maybe shagging some OSU players during a night of tequila(for the guys not her)….lets put her in her real place….the kitchen
_ They took the bar! The whole fucking bar!-John Blutosky Animal House)
by John Hartlieb is stiil a stud! on Nov 4, 2009 8:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to assume
you’re joking here. If not, then damn you’re a fool. If you are joking, still pretty fucking stupid.
by icculus on Nov 4, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlson's continued employment...
by a newspaper is the biggest piece of evidence that the newspaper evidence is in severe decline.
Then again, Pat Harty and Sean Keeler still have jobs. Let’s call them exhibits B and C.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 4, 2009 10:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
second "evidence"
should be “business.”
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 5, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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