OSU vs PSU, what is better for the conference?

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 3, 2009 7:27 PM CST Comment 22 comments

The Big 10 is down this year, the pundits continue to tell us. And while there's been plenty of debate over whether or not this is true, the fact remains 1-6 in bowl games last year, 3-5 in 2007. We all know about Ohio State and recent MNC games.

The most frequently pointed at issue the Big 10 faces is that we have gotten 2 BCS bids in recent years, causing teams to be bumped up, playing a one bowl higher than their actual conference ranking would dictate.

So it occurred to me, while we're looking forward towards Northwestern (but with certain assumptions that I will not state here), there is a game that has huge implications for the conference as a whole, OSU vs PSU. If PSU wins, they will likely have a 11-1 record and a BCS bid. If OSU wins, it's much harder for the BCS to make that call given the number of undefeated and 1 loss teams left.

As much as I hate to say this, would a PSU loss be better for the conference this year because it will potentially help with bowl matchups? Or does a 11-1 PSU team serve us better because of the increased visibility and money for the BCS bowl?

(For the record, I really want PSU to win out, and for all the Big 10 teams to win their bowl games, we need the boost in conference respect. I'm just throwing out a hypothetical. Obviously, any change in the main assumption here makes the whole thing moot.)

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The best way to gain respect would be to win two BCS games

And recent bowl results have shown Iowa and Penn State to be the best teams to accomplish this.

Also, come on. You know you like us more than Ohio State fans. They’re all “This is the biggest game this week because we own Iowa so that game is in the bag”.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Nov 3, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yes, obviously

on both points, and nothing would make me happier than a Michigan style collapse for OSU. I hope you guys destroy them.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 3, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I am definitely all in for Penn St.

…because the Iowa/jNW game will be over before the PSU/tOSU game starts, mind you. This isn’t looking ahead to Columbus or anything, just sheer “what if” scenarios. Penn St. beating Ohio St. means no matter what happens in Columbus, we go to the Rose Bowl IF we beat jNW and Minnesota. Specifically, IF we happen to lose to tOSU but still beat jNW and Minnesota, tOSU would have 2 conference losses, and we would have one conference loss, plus the tie-breaker over PSU.

Plus, yes Reading, I like you much more than Ohio State and their fans.

by shada's revenge on Nov 3, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Every time the Big 10 gets 2 BCS teams

the University of Iowa gets $1.59 million dollars. (17.5/11 teams)

So yeah, I’ll be cheering for that.

"Jack Trice Stadium - Easily one of the Top 10 Stadiums in Central Iowa"

by Not Marv Cook on Nov 3, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Is that you

Bloodpunch?

by Ed Podolak of Good Judgement on Nov 3, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's either Barta

or literally anybody in any small sport at Iowa wishing they had some new equipment.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Oops Pow Surprise on Nov 3, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Screw new equipment for small sports.

We need a “lazy river” in the rec center!

by Ed Podolak of Good Judgement on Nov 4, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

PSU victory is better for us and the conference

Better for us for obvious reasons, and what has OSU done in marquee games in recent years (both BCS bowls and big OOC games)? I say PSU should get a shot at a BCS bowl over OSU this year not only because they are a better team but because they deserve a shot to prove themselves rather than watching the usual OSU shitting of the bed.

by Hank Thrasher on Nov 3, 2009 10:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

There is truly no argument for an OSU victory

PSU at 11-1 helps the BXI overall, makes the Hawks look even better when the only loss comes at the hands of Adrian Clayborn, and would effectively cement Iowa’s spot in the Rose Bowl (assuming we take care of business at home). Also, it will be kind of nice to see PSU give those douchemonkeys a full-on fisting in Hawkeye Valley.

by Imustbreakyou on Nov 3, 2009 11:29 PM CST reply actions 2 recs

Also just wanted to add

We met quite a few PSU fans at the game this year and the vast majority were very welcoming and classy. Of course they may have thought they were going to kill us, but there was none of the “we’re better than you” bullshit that you get from other schools. Enough nice talk, where’s the fucking sarcasm?

by Imustbreakyou on Nov 3, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

About the only way I could see someone wanting OSU to win is the thought that if PSU beats Ohio State, then Ohio State beats Iowa, then the game at Happy Valley would just be a fluke.

To which the appropriate response is: “Who’s going to Pasadena?”

Yes, give me the PSU victory please.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Oops Pow Surprise on Nov 3, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The only viable argument for an OSU win

is that it might make a potential Iowa win the week after look more impressive in the eyes of the pollsters and whatnot.

But I think that train ultimately left the station when Pryor did his best Stanzi impression at Purdue (he forgot the most important part, of course — play great in the fourth quarter and win the fucking game), so the boost we could get for potentially beating them is already diminished. So, yeah, I’m rooting for PSU since (a) their fans are way less douchey, (b) it puts Iowa two home wins away from Pasadena, and © watching Pryor sulk on the sidelines is always great schadenfreude.

by RossWB on Nov 4, 2009 5:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What Ross said. Plus, PSU historically shows up for their bowl games. And, I think Daryl Clark deserves to go out in a BCS bowl win.

by txhawkeye on Nov 4, 2009 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Regarding schadenfreude

I think that’s the biggest reason for me to root for PSU this weekend. I love that tOSU has two losses going into the toughest three-game stretch of the season. I think somewhere behind the glasses and the sweatervest Tressel is wondering why the hell he recruited Pryor so hard. I think somewhere behind the “Mika Vick” eye black, Pryor is wondering whether he’s too old to play QB at Michigan. I also think that we’ll see tOSU’s fans go into extra-douche mode now that they realize they could be staring down the barrel of a 7-5 season.

Oh, and I like Penn State fans and the Penn State team. I also like the safety net of being able to slip up and still go to Pasadena. But it’s the schadenfreude that is really pushing me to root for the Lions this weekend.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 4, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I rec'd this

just for the Hawkeye Valley, made me laugh.

And I also agree completely.

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Nov 4, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

PSU

by Zulu on Nov 4, 2009 6:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

PSU...

and I’m personally happy that we don’t have to play them again. They appear to have found their mojo.

KOK, you might be a genius...

by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 4, 2009 7:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

No shit. Going to both PSU and tOSU this year, I prefer the scheduling order we have. Why tOSU fans are bothering with us this week when they’re at PSU is beyond me. I really hope PSU makes Pryor cry.

by txhawkeye on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Penn St.

no matter the scenario. just beat those Nut fuckers

by Pain in the Sash on Nov 4, 2009 12:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

PSU

Not because I am afraid of Ohio State by any means…
Because I think Penn State can beat whatever team they are matched up against in their BCS Bowl this year, thus making the Big Televen and us look better.

Plus I hate Ohio State all the time. I like Penn State when we aren’t playing them.

Iowa - Where undefeated is just not good enough.

by CUNKNNK on Nov 4, 2009 12:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Cool

My fuzzies are all warm.

Til Friday, when we park the RV behind the cows and promptly launch our weekend brutus beatdown bash.

Don’t forget to kick the purples while they’re down. I don’t want to have to root for the nut suckers next weekend.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Nov 4, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs