The Fall's Gonna Kill You

I woke up this morning thinking of an old episode of The West Wing and how it applied to Iowa fans. This is not normal behavior, but this season has sapped me of all my former ability to focus on normal things.
The context of the episode is convoluted and generally immaterial, but a key section toward the end featured a discussion of ignoring big, important, Death Star near-term threats in order to focus on remote, unlikely, obscure long-term problems. It included this quote:
"You guys are like Butch and Sundance, peering over the edge of the cliff to the boulder-filled rapids 300 feet below, thinking you'd better not jump because there's a chance you might drown.
"It's the fall that's going to kill you, stupid."
For two weeks now, on this website and elsewhere, there has been much discussion of Iowa's chances of a mythical national championship. We've gamed out every scenario, from SECpocalypse to inexplicable losses by Texas to mid-major leapfrog. We've analyzed the computer rankings for signs of weakness. We've gnashed our teeth and run gravel through our hair at real and perceived slights from the national media. We've spent countless hours of time and inches of virtual newsprint on this, all with a "there are still games left to play" disclaimer.
Essentially, we've been peering over the edge of the cliff to the rapids below, talking about nothing but the chance we might drown. It's time we forget about the long-term BCS possibilities and talk about the plunge.
Just Northwestern is just Northwestern, to be sure, but that's not stopped the 'Cats from beating superior Iowa teams in the past. Just look at 1999. Or 2005. Or that horrendous loss in 2006. Or last year. We haven't beaten Northwestern in Kinnick Stadium -- excuse me, Legendary Historic Kinnick Stadium -- since Brad Banks was under center. Given that track record and our current struggles with lesser opposition, I'm not so inclined to chalk up a win and move on to the next week.
We close at home with Minnesota, Tourette's-addled and banged up, but now suddenly capable of posting 42 points on a Michigan State defense that allowed Iowa just 15, and fueled by the intoxicating mix of embarrassment and rage that comes from losing last season's final game -- the last game in their stadium -- by 55 points to a hated rival. Given that Floyd of Rosedale is up for grabs, and that Minnesota will likely be playing for a bowl trip, this is certainly not a lock.
Sandwiched in between those, of course, is Ohio State; if you were hesitant to jump, Columbus is always willing to give you a nudge. Forget for a moment that OSU derailed Iowa's last national championship run (1985) with a November 2 win in Columbus. Forget that, if the Hawkeyes' last win in the Horseshoe were a person, it would now be old enough to vote. Forget that Iowa has won twice in Columbus in the last 50 years. Forget the sound, the fury, the sheer terror of Ohio Stadium as the cold November sun disappears and the grey sky turns black (not that Joe Tiller could) and focus on this fact: Kirk Ferentz has never done this. He has had better squads -- make no mistake because of their unblemished record; this is not yet Kirk's best team, and no circumstance short of a Rose Bowl victory will change that fact -- with a chance to reverse history against Ohio State, and they have fallen short. Were it not for one blowout victory in Kinnick, as Drew Tate's windmilling arms signaled the zenith of the first incarnation of the Ferentz juggernaut and Tresselball reached its nadir-to-date, we would be discussing Tressel's hold over Ferentz in the same way we discuss Ferentz's ownership of Paterno. We are coming to the completion of arguably the greatest decade of football in the history of the University of Iowa, and we're 1-4 against this opponent, this opponent who we now look past merely because their quarterback makes some bad choices, as if we had room to talk.
I'm committed to this team in ways that are bad for my physical, mental, and emotional health. I watch every play, read every press clipping, write word after word after four-syllable word for 8 months of the year about this team, to the point where friends and family are no longer angry or disappointed by my negligent maintenance of relationships from August through December. On Friday night, I helped a stranger change a tire on her minivan in the hopes that the positive karma would buy us a couple more wins. I wake up thinking of old West Wing episodes and their tangential connection to Iowa football fans. I'm as frustrated by the disrespecting masses as anyone else here. But I'm here to tell you this: At this point, we don't deserve the level of respect that some are demanding. We've had our opportunities, against Northern Iowa and Arkansas State and Indiana, to put a stake through the heart of the "lucky" myth, and we have failed so many times that the myth has become fact. No team has won its first nine with a total margin of victory under 100 since 1994 Alabama, and they were two years removed from a national championship and still got no respect. We are what we are, just one of the second-tier undefeateds, waiting for the season-defining blowouts we got in 2002 and 2004 to confirm our legitimacy, perhaps waiting for something that will never come.
There are three games to play. The BCS talk starts when they're done. Stop worrying about drowning. Start worrying about the fall.
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We're DVDA fucked.
PS – Like the new layout.
"Sweet lady fate, why dost thou piss on me so?"
by bluearmadillo on Nov 3, 2009 5:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
But you have to admit
as Iowa fans, we don’t get to play these reindeer games very often—as in ever.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 3, 2009 5:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’m not going to advocate more media hate than I and others have committed up to this point. But, at the same time, you mention that you and Oops have scored points by downing OSU and Michigan fans. The same two programs that have accounted for 67% of the championships in the Big Ten history. Not to say those two fanbases didn’t have legitimate claims (whatever they were at the time), but it isn’t like they had any room to bitch knowing their long and successful history meant it wouldn’t be too far of a climb back to the top (Michigan not withstanding as of now).
Meanwhile, we have 11 shared or outright championships in 112 years. The last time we were ranked #1 was when “We Are The World” was a smash hit on the airwaves. I can say that I won’t be on here gnashing my teeth about any media members from here on out because I do agree with you that we still have a very, very long road ahead of us. One that is full of potential pratfalls and traps – including a road game that will have 110,000 library masturbators dressed in red. However, I certainly won’t apologize or feel bad for all the claims of media disrespect I’ve made in the past few weeks.
by Twin Cities Hawk on Nov 3, 2009 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're so fucked, right now, dude...
Fish in a barrel… We’re the fish, Hawks are the barrel… Fish in a barrel…
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 3, 2009 6:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Watching West Wing pays off
Prof. asked what ’"post hoc ergo propter hoc" meant the other day. It was like I was in a beautiful dream.
"Jack Trice Stadium - Easily one of the Top 10 Stadiums in Central Iowa"
by Not Marv Cook on Nov 3, 2009 6:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know
That happened to me in law school too.
When I came on here, I was so hoping this post was an allusion to the West Wing. Excellent. Love me some CJ Cregg.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something."
by Andie203 on Nov 3, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Lefors?
They say he wears a white straw skimmer. Lord Baltimore?
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 3, 2009 7:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope your abnormal
sleep patterns / thoughts continue. Great perspective on the what-it-is vs. what-will-be conundrum. I’ve been trying really hard to stay in the moment and enjoy this season, though lately I find myself getting frustrated with the “fraud” comments on ESPN (must let go, must let go).
I was a freshman in 1985. I remember the heartbreak in the rain in Columbus. I remember the Rose Bowl disaster that year, too. Strangely enough, I was with my Purdue buddy at that Purdue vs. OSU game in the Joe Tiller link above. These things help keep me grounded.
by hdhawk on Nov 3, 2009 7:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
We’re fish in a barrel with the dynamite lit and ready to drop. Fire away fellas.
by txhawkeye on Nov 3, 2009 7:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
We're fucked
Like a hemophiliac in a rose garden!
Pimpin' Hawkeye Football Ain't Easy
by Confederate Hawk on Nov 3, 2009 7:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Horror
1999 Penn State starts 9-0, then loses its last three games and ends up in the Alamo Bowl.
So, yeah…don’t look ahead.
by Cairo on Nov 3, 2009 7:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
We're fucked.
Jesse Palmer is clearly a visionary, the first one to realize we are fucked and to call it like it truly is.
by Hawkeyes on Nov 3, 2009 7:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Todd McShay
Mr. “I don’t think Iowa has the athletes up front.” Clearly there’s no way we can overcome bright commentators like these. We are most certainly fucked. (Although Mark May seems to have come around…which only secures our fucked-ness.)
by SavagePoop on Nov 3, 2009 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only someone as unathletic as Todd McShay
could possibly relate to just how unathletic we truly are.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 3, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you gotta admit
He knows from what he speaks in this instance.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Nov 3, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.
I haven’t read all of the comments and objections that people here have taken with the national media so I’m not positive what the discussion has been to date. I don’t think that anyone here is saying that Iowa should be the #1 team in the country. I do think people get worked up when they hear that Iowa isn’t as good as a pile of one-loss teams just because we’re Iowa or we play in the Big Ten.
I agree that any discussion of an undefeated season or a national title shot is premature given the way that we’ve performed to date and what we still have ahead of us. But I think it’s reasonable to look back at what the team has accomplished and realize that even though it wasn’t pretty, it was impressive.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 3, 2009 8:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
By far the best
post I’ve read this year on BHGP. Thank you, HS.
by TAMPAHAWK on Nov 3, 2009 8:36 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thank you Hawkeye State
I, too, believe in the Karma thing. I strongly believe that the more we get ahead of ourselves, the smaller chance of victory we have for that week. So we all need to pull over like you did and do a good deed.
We are fans, not players. But I would feel much better if we approached our success the same way the players do. One game at a time. We don’t want to become who we beat last year on that cold November evening.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go slash some tires in my parking lot so I can help those people change them later.
by Duez I say on Nov 3, 2009 8:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Check yo'self before you wreck yo'self
Thanks for hitting the brakes so we could take a nice hard look in the mirror. Maybe some consideration in dropping the “justNorthwestern” bit until, you know, we actually beat them. That’s kind of what got us into trouble in the first place.
by Pubes in Pink Urinals on Nov 3, 2009 8:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Shit. I didn't bring a parachute.
I’ve said it many times, but all I want is for the Hawks to go to the Rose Bowl. If we beat OSU and one other team, anything the media says is (as always) irrelevant.
Go Hawks!
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 3, 2009 8:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"We're fucked" = Played the fuck out
Please, get a new schtick. This one’s more old and worn out than your mom.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Oops Pow Surprise on Nov 3, 2009 9:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mom jokes
nice.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 3, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't the we're fucked thing supposed to stay in Stoopsmyass' "Top Ten We're Gonna Lose" for superstitious reasons?
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 3, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our new kids must not have gotten the memo.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Oops Pow Surprise on Nov 3, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm now with the program...
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 3, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, yeah, yeah. We’re all so fucking nervous we don’t know how to behave. Unchartered territory and whatnot. Inappropriate laughter/unfunny jokes. Beating everything (haha, beating) into the ground. This little community is comforting, even if we need the occasional brow beating. I’m sure you want to be that guy.
by txhawkeye on Nov 3, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, I would prefer it stay out of there, too.
It’s mildly amusing, but it’s also stifling the ability to have any sort of analysis about the upcoming game/opponent in that thread — which is a shame, because Stoops frequently raises some good points worthy of further discussion.
by RossWB on Nov 3, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of like the "We're Fucked" mantra. Seems to be working.
by Zulu on Nov 3, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Superstitions are for playgrounds and Cubs fans.
by Pubes in Pink Urinals on Nov 3, 2009 9:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
I thought it was a great way to mock ourselves for taking things too seriously.
"Sweet lady fate, why dost thou piss on me so?"
by bluearmadillo on Nov 3, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone keeps asking...
Cornshoe? What does Iowa have to do to get to Pasadena? Well after the heart-attack inducing win at Michigan State, I am done trying to project and predict. I told people I was nervous about the Indiana game. I’m nervous about this week. We are down to three one-week seasons. And I’m not looking past Saturday. And I’m done worrying about the MSM’s collective hand-wringing over our team. KF is only worried about this week, then so am I. I’ll begin my bowl-speculating/projecting on November 22. Go Hawks.
Yee-Haw! I ride again!
by Cornshoe Hammaker on Nov 3, 2009 9:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Whole page on CFN bout the Hawkeyes
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 3, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not reading that!
It’s a trick!
by Duez I say on Nov 3, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose Bowl Nightmares
Hope there’s no “Ronnie Harmon”s on this year’s team.
Every week's the playoffs, man.
by NYHawkeye on Nov 3, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
God I Hope Not
I think that would be the most disappointing end to a season I could imagine. I also think it would kill my dad if we were to have a repeat of the Rose Bowl from the ’85 season, especially since he plans to go if we win out.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Nov 3, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No comment
till the last 2 seconds of the Minn. game.
That is all for now
by ChryslerKinnick on Nov 3, 2009 9:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Okay, this is a great article
Best I’ve ever seen on here. Well crafted enough for legitimate media.
But why are there no references to tits, and why has it been left to commenters to tell people to suck on their nuts? I mean, I’m looking for you guys to tell someone…ANYONE… To get Fucked by a pre-op Tranny hooker! A pox on you!
In all seriousness, that’s some fine work, and anytime you can incorporate The West Wing, it pleases me greatly.
Believe in Iowa
by Wegher Please! on Nov 3, 2009 9:14 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
No, you fucking asshole
This isn’t a place for tits and we hope our readers leave better comments than “suck my nuts.”
And what the fuck did I tell you people about gay jokes?
I do not want to break out the banhammer, but it’s shit like this that rubs us the wrong way.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Oops Pow Surprise on Nov 3, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice username though
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 3, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No gay jokes???
Damnit, I’ve been working all night on about 50 Pat Fitzgerald – Thai boy pics that I was going to unveil at 3pm eastern today. Real raunchy explicit stuff. Lawsuit worthy stuff. Oh well, back to the drawing board… Are unicorns considered gay?
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Only if the horns touch, I think, is the rule.
Brunettes not fighter jets
by rockyh on Nov 3, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honest question:
Who is cooler: Steve McQueen or Paul Newman?
by The Naked Bootleg on Nov 3, 2009 9:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Paul Newman
Great salsa, Cool Hand Luke, and (most importantly) was player/coach Reggie Dunlop.
by Buddy Light on Nov 3, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve McQueen
The car chase in Bullitt, the original Thomas Crown before Pierce Brosnan bastardized it, Ali MacGraw, Ali MacGraw, The Getaway, and Ali MacGraw.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 3, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also,
The motorcycle ride in The Great Escape where he gets caught up in the barbed wire? McQueen wins.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Nov 3, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve McQueen was more of a laconic, manly-man badass.
Paul Newman could be considered “cooler” though. I mean he created a business that has generated 100’s of millions of dollars for charity. That’s pretty cool in a zen type of way. Paul Newman now seems like more of a superstar than Steve McQueen, though back in the day Steve McQueen might have been bigger. The Sting is another fun Paul Newman flick.
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 3, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, McQueen, doing his own
motorcycle jumps in The Great Escape.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Nov 3, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Newman made his own pool shots in The Hustler.
not quite as dangerous as a motorcycle jump though…
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 3, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you beat me to it
before I could read farther down.
Hey Dolph, you look like I need a beer.
by Give Eddie a Beer on Nov 3, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Newman was a race car driver
Not as a “celebrity” race car driver, but as a driver on a team finishing 2nd in the 24 hr of Le Mans. To me, equally badass.
by Eubanks on Nov 3, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but he didn't star in Le Mans (the movie) now, did he?
No, that was McQueen!
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 3, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Newman
- on President Nixon’s top enemies list. Badass. McQueen nowhere to be found on said list.
by Eubanks on Nov 3, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Nixon probably had "pineapples" on his enemies list
McQueen > Newman.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 3, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve McQueen
He fucked Faye Dunaway and fucked Ali McGraw.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Oops Pow Surprise on Nov 3, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Tyler MF Sash is McQueen . . .
and Stanzi is Newman (what with his cool hands and all), then Adrian Clayborn is Godzilla, going all Tokyo on other teams’ QBs’ asses.
by The Naked Bootleg on Nov 3, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, now I know why I really think he is cooler.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Nov 3, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention McQueen was a pallbearer for Bruce Lee.
That certainly adds to the coolness quotient.
by Pubes in Pink Urinals on Nov 3, 2009 10:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
But there was nothing wrong with the early Joanne Woodward. See “The Long Hot Summer”. Yummy
by txhawkeye on Nov 3, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then again, I recall that.....
…a LOT of people fucked Faye Dunaway back in the day, including J Geils of the J Geils band, whom she was once MARRIED to, believe it or not. Love Stinks, I guess.
On a cool scale, McQueen is cooler but not by much. At their peak, GREAT ESCAPE Steve McQueen barely outpoints HUD Paul Newman, but it is admittedly close.
Also, Newman gets points taken away for salad dressing. Can you imagine McQueen selling salad dressing and then giving the money to charity? Doubtful.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Nov 3, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree about salad dressing
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 3, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve McQueen was a biker
End of discussion. Paul was a pretty boy.
by Bluzmn on Nov 3, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew Paul Newman...
he was a very cool guy. Quiet. Not full of himself. Patient with his legion of fans. Paul a “pretty boy”? “Not a biker”? He was a tail gunner on a dive bomber that saw action over the Pacific in WWII. Yeah, I like Steve McQueen’s work. Very laconic. Brooding. Hip. But Newman was something McQueen wasn’t. Funny. Very, very funny. If I had to choose, and I’m glad I don’t, I’d go with Newman.
by Zulu on Nov 3, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually kidding about Newman.
What I know of Paul Newman, he was not full of himself and was very cool, personally. I am a fan of Steve McQueen on a personal level because of his lifelong interest in motorcycles, especially older ones. Steve used to hang out at a motorcycle shop in the valley and just wrench on bikes with the guys like he was nothing special. Being a biker myself, I have a soft spot for rich, famous people who act like that. He was one of us.

by Bluzmn on Nov 3, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you...
you Lipton-esque name-dropper.
I knew Jack Kennedy…and you, sir, are exactly like Jack Kennedy.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 4, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McQueen could never have beaten Doyle Lonnegan at his own game.
Newman, FTW.
by Bucketochicken on Nov 3, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I vote Newman...
but “Road to Perdition” is not the movie to prove that Newman is better. In “Perdition,” Jude Law is the last man standing. We can’t permit that type of crap.
I have watched several Newman movies. I have not (nor do I care to) watched any McQueen movies. Newman wins.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 4, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Charles Bronson.
Brunettes not fighter jets
by rockyh on Nov 3, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Connery
The best Bond there is.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Nov 4, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're goal posts in a large body of water fucked.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Nov 3, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Didn’t get OPS’s memo til after I posted. Won’t happen again outside it’s proper forum.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Nov 3, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're Fucked!
Like using this phrase is going to be
by Duez I say on Nov 3, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus, this is good writing
Nice, strong finish. Worry about the fall indeed. I’m trying to do the same with our opponent this weekend.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Nov 3, 2009 10:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
“At this point, we don’t deserve the level of respect that some are demanding.”
Considering that we’re just eight points from being 5-4 all over again, I can’t argue that.
But I don’t think people should simply disregard what Iowa’s done this season simply because of those eight points.
Do we belong in the title conversation with an undefeated Florida, Bama or Texas? Not yet, we don’t. But it’s silly to relegate us below other undefeateds and even some one-loss teams because of those close/fluky wins.
That said, we’ve got three tough games, and we can’t afford to overlook any of them. It’s been a wild and strange ride, and it’ll have to get stranger still to get us to January 7.
Go Hawks.
by fossilhawk on Nov 3, 2009 10:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the reality check
I needed that. Seriously.
The only thing that pisses me off is having Boise State ranked ahead of us. Yes, they are quite good. They also have a weak schedule and their signature win was over an Oregan squad who has since gotten much, much better…. and done so without Blount.
Now, let us all hope that JoePa lays some whoop ass down on the Buckeyes to buy us some breathing room.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
by Flakbait on Nov 3, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It IS a reality check, but there's one difference between us and some other teams:
One is that, come bowl time, Iowa usually brings the goods, even against supposedly superior competition. OSU can’t make that claim, and PSU and UM often can’t, either. Nor can Oklahoma these days, it seems.
Another is that this team’s defense should give us a fighting chance in almost any game, as good defenses do. Many a championship has been won with good defense despite an average offense.
Also, I give the team credit for not folding when behind, which is the mark of many great teams. Even 2001 to 2002-era Miami fell behind in games and scrambled to win in the 4th quarter—so I won’t hold that against us. A quality team brings it in the 4th quarter, not the 1st.
I’m not predicting a NC game for us, nor even a victory at OSU. But winning “gut-check” games from behind is a talent that many otherwise fine teams NEVER acquire. It can’t be taught—either your team has the character and will to do that repeatedly, or they don’t. For those reasons, I think Iowa IS a legitimate Top 10 team, possibly Top 5 if they win out. IMO, there’s nothing wrong with saying that.
And, as some say, that’s why you play the games. We’ll know soon enough if we belong in the rarified air of the Top 10 or Top 5, possibly as soon as Saturday if we play poorly against The Cats. I’m not demanding we be #3 in the BCS, but I do think this is a squad that can demand soem respect for what it’s been doing: Winning.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Nov 3, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year for PSU at the Rose was an aberration. Don’t lump them in with tOSU and Michigan. Different animal altogether.
by txhawkeye on Nov 3, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To compliment HS's post...
vahawk wrote a shorter, but equally sobering and enthusiast post entitled “There is no Ohio State.”
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 3, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did the "style" on this site change?
The H1 headers look like a different font or size or something than they used to.
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 3, 2009 11:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
SB Nation wide changes
not sure if I like them yet.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 3, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe one of the new changes is an edit feature?
Also, I thought my Cherrios tasted funny when I read this.
by TarHeelHawk on Nov 3, 2009 11:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is what makes college football so fun.
Despite the fact that our all around talent level and production and margin of victory don’t compare to the elites of the college football world (IE Texas), and that someone still hasn’t yanked that ace out from under our sleeve, the whole point is that we have nine wins and zero losses. I don’t think any Iowa fan is fooled by this team; they are simply a resilient bunch who wins ball games and plays best with their back against the wall. That makes up for talent and consistency.
HS is right, this is nowhere near Kirk’s best team he’s ever put out on the field, but it’s the best example of a team that represents his coaching style and influence on the program to a T. We don’t belong in the National Championship game, and we still may lose all three of our final games, but the point is how much heart this team has shown, proving it doesn’t take 5 star recruits and 4.30 forty yard dash times to win ball games week-in, week-out. And that, friends, is likely to produce more long term pride than any championship ever will. We do it our way, and we aren’t gonna change that…
In other words, “Fuck you, We’re Iowa.”
/O'keefe'd
by Smokin Herb Grigbsy on Nov 3, 2009 12:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Check out hawkeyesports.com
Sweet ass picture of Wegher’s, um, ass.
by Duez I say on Nov 3, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OMG! Someone stole Wegher's legs! You know what that means?
PAKIBOMB!!!
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 3, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Use enough dynamite there, HS?
Great article, puts all this speculation in its proper place. That’s the double-edged sword to football; you have an entire week to over-analyze one 3-hour block of time.
by With Ferentz Like These... on Nov 3, 2009 1:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great posting
Nice piece of work.
Enjoy the ride, your team has been great fun to watch (and profitable, most weeks), and move past all the lame-ass sports geeks and their “lucky” rationalizations. Good teams make their own luck, especially when they do it week after week.
Purple Flag on Saturday
www.FourStarFootball.com
by Purple Flag on Saturday on Nov 3, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OPS... remember the satire of the PHarty article done a couple weeks ago and the commentera flipping out, not getting that it was a joke?
Pot, meet kettle, dude. I apologize that my sarcasm went undetected. Dick and dart jokes are fine, but serious analysis of the unique situation that this dabbase is experiencing is truly why I visit this site.
This has been an outstanding season…and HS… Thank you for the much needed dose of reality. And thank you for putting it in such an eloquent way.
OPS and community…again sorry that my comment was taken in a a way that was the exact opposite of my intention… Which, I guess is the true definition of irony.
Go Hawks.
by Wegher Please! on Nov 3, 2009 2:41 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Buckeye fan here
Please don’t take this the wrong way, I have really enjoyed Iowa’s season thus far. Howeva, I would suggest you root us to beat PuSyU, I feel much more confident playing the Hawks with nothing to lose, rather than hoping Pryor won’t make the mistake that costs us the season.
by BuckIball on Nov 3, 2009 7:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, "PuSyU"
Oh, how clever.
Never change, Columbus. Never change.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 3, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't teach class
but you can pay someone else to take it for you.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 3, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hawkeye fan here
and I would respectfully submit that I want Penn State to kick TUOS’ ass. If the only thing TUOS has to play for in 2 weeks is the Cap1 Bowl, it’ll be that much easier for you folks to take Pryor’s interceptions that day.
by TarHeelHawk on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tOSU and Penn St.
I admit, if tOSU wins this weekend and we beat them in Columbus in two weeks it looks so much better for us. There is still this perception in the national media that this year’s tOSU team are world beaters and that the loss to Purdue is a fluke. That perception probably changes somewhat if they’re a three-loss team when we play them.
That said, I have a few problems rooting for tOSU this weekend. The first is the Schadenfreude Factor. I’m kind of reveling in the fact that the Bucks have taken a step backwards this year. I’m enjoying Tressel’s attempt to force Terrell “Square Peg” Pryor into the Buckeyes’ Round Hole offense. Pryor’s comments about Vick earlier this year just make me all the happier that he’s getting the Juice Williams treatment these last few weeks.
Second, the last time we won in Columbus was 1991 and, IIRC, that was the “black helmet” game after the Gang Liu shooting, so even that was an emotionally-driven victory. I am wary about that game, I admit it. I like the idea of having some room for error in the Big Ten title race. If Penn State and Iowa win this weekend and Iowa stumbles in Columbus, we still just have to beat Minnesota at home on senior day in order to split the title with Penn State and go to the Rose Bowl. That’s more important to me than beating a two-loss tOSU team and praying that Jesse Palmer thinks it’s good enough.
Third, I like Penn State. We’ve had some success against them over the last decade and throughout that they’ve been gracious both in victory and defeat. I appreciate that and, personally, if I have to choose between a team that has class when they win and lose and one that is a bunch of arrogant jagoffs no matter what, well, I’ll go with PENN SCCHHTTAAAAAATTE.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 4, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You call this class?
by BuckIball on Nov 4, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not class
But i know that a bunch of drunk frat guys shouldn’t be made out to represent an entire fan base. Most PSU fans i’ve met or have chatted with have morals and values and can agree and disagree without going overboard or, as shown in the video, some sort of violence.
Bucklball – I wish you luck this weekend, but as a hawkeye fan, I have to root for PSU. A win for them over your buckeyes helps our Rose Bowl berth out more.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Nov 4, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs





















