Out of the Mainstream: The Iowa Hawkeyes as College Football Gypsies
As Iowa patiently awaits its bowl destination, and as the vast majority of the Hawkeyes faithful cross fingers and toes in hopes for a desert reward, now is as good a time as any to try to understand Iowa's place in the college football social order. If Iowa is invited to a BCS Bowl, would that mean the football cognoscenti is accepting them as a member of the elite? I'm certain there is no definitive answer; this is, after all, a perceptual shell game. But, I can't resist but to make a stab at it.
It might be gratuitously complex for me to attempt the line of analysis I am about to attempt, but here goes...
The Iowa Hawkeyes with their magical season this year thrusting them into the national championship conversation exposed a nasty truth about their place on the college football landscape. The Iowa Hawkeyes are football gypsies. They're not alone either, as was so crassly pointed out by Ivan "The Terrible" Maisel in his on-line article from Nov. 19 entitled "Where's the return counter?" In his article, Maisel, normally a sensible sort, lamented that interlopers and gatecrashers have invaded the 2009 college football season, and for that he wants his "money back."
Maisel bemoans this college football season as a dud, a lemon, one whose promise was never fulfilled and paints himself as having been cheated, suffering a "bait and switch." And what was he promised? Well, he was promised what every preseason ranking and projection seems to annually promise: USC, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and of course, Tim Tebow, Tim Tebow, Tim Tebow, and Sam Bradford. And what did Maisel get? Boise State, TCU, Cincinnati, and presumably, Iowa.
Maisel is neither the only sportswriter nor is his the only article to grieve invasion by the gypsies. In fact, it seems as though every so-called college football analyst on every major sports website has complained at some point, in some way, of the lack of a predictable, orderly football world, where there is an easily identifiable social order of the "haves" moving unimpeded toward more bowl riches while the "have nots" stay deferentially out of the way. These pundits advocate, in essence, for the fans of the have nots to consent to a college football world of segmented categories of unequal people. I, for one, won't do it.
The term gypsy may seem like an odd one for me to use. But every time I read an article by some stiff asking how Iowa got into the top ten (the computers, not people) or bitching about Iowa as a impostor in the rankings, I am reminded of a paper I wrote in my senior year for an anthropology professor at Iowa. The term gypsy literally refers to specific ethnic groups that have certain histories, but I'm using the term more colloquially here to describe Iowa as a kind of nomadic clan living an unconventional way of life out on the edge. In this regard, Iowa, for me, is a football gypsy---they lack a secure place in and among the elite and yet they are too successful to be an average football team, and as such are seen as freakish and strange.
Let me start with this though: it is not as if Kirk Ferentz and his Iowa Hawkeyes wants to be gypsies or has done anything to reinforce any such reading of them this way. They're merely trying to win football games and a conference title. They are not trying to cause angst to the Maisel's of the world and they're certainly not breaking any established codes within the football world-like running some harebrained offensive scheme that offends conventional sensibilities or tricking it up relentlessly or playing with grown men who have returned from the war or questionable JUCO-types or anything along those lines. In fact, Ferentz football is as traditional as it gets.
For those who are still reading, I should warn you this is going to take a fairly academic turn. I am going to try to examine the Hawkeyes and their place in college football from a social anthological viewpoint. It helps me to understand Iowa's coverage by the mainstream press. It helps me understand why this blog is relevant and thriving to so many fans (and not just fans of Iowa I might add). It helps me understand why my friends are so unwilling to accept Iowa as an emerging, potentially elite football program.
In 1908 a very smart Frenchman, born to Dutch parents, named Arnold Van Gennep wrote a classic text entitled, The Rites of Passage. If the title is an expression you have used yourself, you can thank Van Gennep. He coined the term, gave it meaning, and more or less started an entire academic discipline (social anthropology) with this one book. In it he describes the social process of how one passes from one status to another-how one makes a transition, a passage as he calls it, out of an old status into a new one. He examined rituals associated with many status changes in a variety of cultures, some tribal others quite civilized. Among the status transitions (and rituals) he studied are, from unborn to born (circumcisions, baptisms, etc.), from youth to adult (bar mitzvahs, vision quests, etc.), from single to married (weddings), and from life to death (funerals).
So how on earth is this relevant to college football you're probably asking? Stay with me.
While examining rituals that lead to social status change, Van Gennep noticed there was a reliable and recognizable schema or pattern to each of these transitions. He then devised a theory based on what he saw to explain all status transitions regardless of culture, and he called his discovery the "rites of passage."
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The Rites of Passage (Or, how can Iowa go from being perceived as an average football program to serious football power?)
Van Gennep's theory suggested that in order for societies to "recognize" a status change there is an identifiable passage from old status to new status and it occurs as such:
- Separation from old status
- Transition (liminal state) during which there is no status but ritual tests
- Re-incorporation into new status
I want to focus on the liminal or transition phase, because this is where the Iowa Hawkeyes seem to be stuck, and it is where gypsies are perpetually. I think we can all agree that Iowa left the old status of mediocre/average football program in the years beginning with when Hayden Fry took Iowa to the Rose Bowl in the early 1980s. They have had many years since in which they were invited to a bowl game. In fact, they have been to two more Rose Bowls in the meantime and a BCS Bowl (the Orange Bowl in fact). While Iowa has had many winning seasons over the past 25 years they have not quite completed a transition to full elite program status. Yet they possess many of the markers of an elite program: a top 10 highest paid coach, large stadium that sells out routinely, great facilities, national television appearances, players that receive national awards and are drafted high by NFL teams, and so forth. Iowa has no equal status among the big boys, which Ivan Maisel has conveniently identified for us. Yet, as a team that wins 13 in a row and is undefeated and barreling toward a perfect season, Iowa most defintely proves yet again they are not some middling college football program either. So Iowa is indeed liminal according to van Gennep's theory; they are neither average nor elite.
Van Gennep noticed that during the liminal phase people would often have to pass ritualized tests, which served to elevate them from their prior status and prove to the elders of society they are capable of accepting a new status. Think of the fraternity hazing ritual in many colleges that goes on with a pledge or whatever they call them. If the pledge can pass the various tests he is then incorporated into the fraternity. Fail the tests and he does not.
Maisel and the mainstream college football press position themselves as sort of college football "elders" keeping close watch on the football gypsies and determining whether or not to confer upon them any status change. Maisel's lament was nothing more than the usual backhanded way of identify the haves and have nots. A reminder just in case you forgot. (And it reinforces his place in the confirming process of course.)
A good case study of this notion is Boise State. Like Iowa in the early 1980s they recetnly entered the liminal phase in 2007 when they beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. That win was a demarcation of sorts, identifying Boise State as no longer a typical non-BCS school. But it was in no way a "Welcome to the Elite" moment either. Boise State's win over Oklahoma was a ritual separation from their old status of typical non-BCS football team. By beating Oklahoma in a BCS Bowl they showed a sort of separation from all the other non-BCS schools who rarely challenge the elite (or are even given an opportunity to do so). The next stage for Boise State then is re-incorporation. But until they achieve their new status among the cultural elite they are liminal They are gypsies. Pass more tests and we'll see if you belong, the elite seem to say. But, here is the rub...will Boise State continue to be allowed into the arena to pass these tests?
I know some would like for Iowa to go to the Capital One Bowl and beat an SEC team resoundingly. I understand this thinking too. It is it's own sort of ritualized test that if passed should move Iowa closer and closer to re-incorporation with the elite. However, using van Gennep's theory one could argue too that the Capital One Bowl merely reinforces Iowa's place in liminality. After all, if Iowa plays Mississippi or any SEC team other than Alabama or Florida, Iowa then is merely playing another gypsy program in a non-elite bowl and this test does nothing to advance the program. Iowa is not unlike Boise State. Both programs are liminal. Both programs have to prove themselves to elevate out of the liminal state. But there is a HUGE difference between Iowa playing Boise State in a non-BCS Bowl game and Iowa playing them in a BCS Bowl.
Consider Ohio State, a team that perpetually loses in BCS games. Certainly they receive tons of flack for that. But, the flack they are getting is not pushing them back into liminality; they are not a transitioning program. They are getting flack for not fulfilling their elite program obligations for sure. But they are in BCS Bowl games year after year and as such they are proving that they indeed belong in the cultural elite. They merely are at the bottom of THAT group. They're at the party, just not at the best table. Iowa is not even at the party.
I believe Iowa is capable of becoming a member of football's cultural elite. All the pieces are there. They have the facilities, they have the fan base, they have the coach, and they have the tradition. I hope and assume they have the desire. They just have not passed enough of the right tests. Winning the Outback Bowl last year was nice and it certainly helped the players see themselves as winner. But let's be clear about all this, Iowa needs to play in the Fiesta or Orange Bowl and, of course, they need to win it, if they want to make any serious ascent to the college football elite. A loss in either the Orange or Fiesta Bowls is greater than a win in the Capital One Bowl. Why? Because BCS Bowl games are the affairs of the cultural elite and non-BCS Bowls are liminal affairs. Losing a BCS Bowl game is greater than winning non-BCS Bowl game. In fact, all New Year's Day and later bowl games that are not BCS Bowl games are, likewise, liminal events. They are games for those who want to feel elite, maybe play an elite power, and maybe even beat them. But they are not elite bowl games, and according to van Gennep's theory, those bowls do not advance non-elite schools into the cultural elite of college football.
College football is its own little society and all societies have a social order and to move within the social order one must pass ritual tests, sometimes repeatedly, to alter one's status. Playing in BCS Bowl games is part of the process of moving into the elite and winning BCS Bowl games is an even more important part of the process of moving into the elite. Now, we could go to the Capital One Bowl and we can dominate some SEC team, but that is not a relevant test if the goal is to change our status. Gypsies beating up gypsies are not a test that elevates one to elite status. The test to become an elite power is to play in an elite neighborhood and ideally take down an elite program when you get there. The Capital One Bowl will only delude the gypsies into believing they are moving toward re-incorporation, when in fact they are merely further emphasizing their liminal status.
In a fraternity, the goal is not to be the best pledge in the house; it's to be a member of the fraternity. Iowa needs a BCS Bowl game if they want to join the ranks of Ohio State, Penn State and others, and they need it now. If Iowa ends up in the Capital One Bowl that will be nice and I will enjoy it immensely. But it will not signify anything other than Iowa's place securely among the gypsies.
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Good Article
I agree with most of it. However, I am not sure beating another “gypsie” school such as Boise State or Oklahoma State in the Fiesta or Georgia Tech in the Orange will help any more than beating an SEC team in the Capital One Bowl. Both LSU and Ole Miss are highly regarded (Ole Miss being in the gypsie category and LSU in the “new elite” category this decade but in danger of falling back to the gypsie category) and consensus pre-season Top 10 teams. Pounding either one (which I believe Iowa would do) would help just as much as beating Boise State, Georgia Tech or Oklahoma State.
In order to move up to the elite, we need to play elite teams in BCS Bowls, beat them, and finish in the Top 5 on a consistent basis. We were on the doorstep this year until injuries did us in. We need to get over the initial hump next year and continue to be in the mix for a 5+ year period before we can move up.
I believe that
Ivan Maisel treats teams that play in BCS games regularly different than he treats teams that win Cap One bowls regularly. Penn State is elite. They lost the Rose Bowl last year. Badly too.
Until we find ourselves in the BCS games more often, we are just trying to be the best pledge in the house. We need to try to be the worst member of the house now an grow from there (Much like LSU now because new members are usually awkward looking, and not always convincing.)
We’ve been a good pledge too long.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
We're not elite
At least, by my standards, we’re not.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
By which, I mean
We’ve played in two BCS bowls and have only beaten a mediocre FSU team. Some of he media apparently perceive us to be somewhat elite, but we haven’t earned respect yet. For example: not even being considered for the NC last year after our loss to Iowa.
"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
I would say that on field is -- in this analysis -- irrelevant
your work in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s and bought you a ton of leeway. You’re elite. Not a top elite, but elite nevertheless. One proof of this is the way your are ranked by humans. Your preseason rankings too are usually very nice.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
I agree with you
(Not PSU bashing) But I do not think that Penn State is an elite program, but they are definitely perceived to be by the media because of Paterno. The whole Linebacker U persona that is put on Penn State also caters to this belief, while Iowa produces just as many if not more quality NFL caliber players. Also, being as far east geographically as they are compared to the rest of the Big 10 helps PSU get the recognition by more of the MSM for their usually generous pre-season rankings to again, build towards their supposed elite status.
"If Ron Zook were an ice cream flavor, it would be praline and retard"
-Garth Algar
by Tree Meister on Nov 27, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Until there is a playoff
perception is everything.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Exactly
Penn State is perceived to be an elite program, but they’ve lost to Iowa regularly this decade, while Iowa isn’t considered to be elite by anyone besides Iowa fans and the educated observers and followers of college football.
If there was a playoff, it would truly solve the problem of having media cronies who are in love with certain programs and shit all over others on a consistent basis without regard for current performance, have a say in who are the best teams in the nation.
A little off topic, but here is my theory for a playoff:
1. Keep the current BCS system for rankings.
2. Take the top 8 teams at the end of the regular season and they would be spread out through the 4 current BCS bowls (Rose, Orange, Fiesta, and Sugar) according to their ranking as a seed: 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6, 4 v 5.
3. The winners of those games would play each other in the semi finals of the playoff at the same location, preferably an NFL stadium with a dome or in nice weather area. One game at 1:00 pm, one game at 7 or 8.
4. The winners of the semi play each other in the championship at a different location with the same criteria, NFL size, roof or nice weather.
5. Champion is crowned
All the other bowls stay the same, play all of the first round BCS games on New Years Day, take 5 to 7 days between the first round, semis. championship game each.
"If Ron Zook were an ice cream flavor, it would be praline and retard"
-Garth Algar
by Tree Meister on Nov 27, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Here's my Play-off Theory
It’s simple, a 32 team playoff. Here’s my idea:
Align the remaining 3 independent schools with conferences to start.
Then adjust all the conferences to have 12 teams. That would give us 10 conferences.
Next, split the conferences into 2 divisions, of equal strength or as close as you can get.
Each team would be required to play everyone in their conference (round robin), giving them 11 regular season games.
The division winners (based on overall record, then head-to-head if there’s a tie) play each other for their conference championship.
Tournament is set by 10 conference champs, 10 runner-ups, 10 conference third place teams (based on overall record, then head-to-head if there’s a tie), and 2 at-large luck of the draw teams.
Tournament seeding is set by lottery style drawing, conference champions are drawn in the first round, runners-up in the second, etc.
Bowl games become tourney games and rotated so all locations get even exposure.
In this model, there is no month lay-off for any teams. There is one off week during the conference games, in which no off-weeks are allowed in the first two weeks or last two weeks of the regular season. There is also an off-week between conference championship games and the start of the tournament. If this concept sounds familiar, thats because it’s based off the NFL’s off-week rules.
As i said before, this is just my opinion of how i think it would work. I know there’s holes and flaws in the details, considering this is conceptual.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Nov 30, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, let's have a 32 team playoff
Let’s ruin the best regular season by having a playoff system that makes the regular season meaningless and let’s everyone and their mom with a winning record have a chance to compete for the title.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I choose this format for a number of reasons.
1) Eliminates the use of playing FCS schools to boost stats.
2) Gives the “non BCS” schools some exposure, just like the basketball tourney does.
3) Gives all the bowl games a chance for some limelight and brings economic stimulation to bowl game regions that haven’t normally had that exposure.
IMHO, the playoff system would have to be greater than 8-12 teams. I’m thinking at least 16, possibly 24. I know 32 teams is high, but in actuality, it only represents 26.67% (32 out of 120) of FBS schools. The NCAA Basketball tourney takes 18.89% (65 out of 344) of eligible shools.
I don’t see how it would make the regular season meaningless, considering every team in the conference would be fighting for supremacy from the opening kick-off. It would give teams the opprotunity if being .500 at the midpoint, the chance to string together wins and climbing back into the thick of a conference race.
As I’ve stated before, this is all my opinion. the NCAA tourney does so well because every team invited has something to play for. My biggest problem with the tourney is how many times have there been “bubble” teams with great overall records, left out because there RPI wasn’t strong enough? In football, BSU has had that same scenarioin front of them in the years past, and it will more than likely happen again this year.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Nov 30, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
The problem with any playoff, especially one this large
is that it renders the regular season meaningless. As it currently stands, the BCS (with its many, many flaws) at leasts makes a team play well throughout the entire season, not just the end. Quite frankly, if six games into a 12-game season you’re at 3-3, you have no business playing for a title, you haven’t earned it over the entire body of work.
Also, anyone who doubts that a playoff will ruin the regular season, answer me this: Outside of your team, how many (non March Madness) basketball games did you watch last year? The simple fact is that March Madness has ruined the regular season for basketball because all you have to do is get hot at the end. Quite simply, in any given year, at least half – and usually many more – of the teams in the bracket have no business competing for a national title because THEY DIDN’T EARN IT. March Madness is fun and exciting, doesn’t mean its right.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
In your sytem.
We’ll use Iowa and PSU as an example. If Texas, Cincy, and either of FloriBama lose, that would put Iowa and possibly PSU back up into the Top 8 without out having played a game for 2 weeks. All three of those teams that were ahead of us before championship games would have one loss, and 2 of them would fall out of the Top 8 by getting beat by “lesser” opponents. Would Iowa and PSU deserve to be in the playoff because 2 teams lost their only game in their respective conference championships?
That’s why I think every conference needs 2 divisions and a conference championship game. I would say best scenario is 16 team play-off. That would be 10 conference champs, and 6 at large bids and the only teams allowed in the at large draw would be the conference chapionship games runner-up.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Nov 30, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
No, it's why I don't want a playoff
Look, no matter what system you have, you’ll always have someone who is left out. Doesn’t matter the number of teams, the 5th, 9th, 17th, or 33rd ranked team will always have an argument for why they were as deserving or more than the team that made it in just ahead of them. Is the BCS a perfect system? Fuck no, but neither is a playoff. And I like the tradition and the bowls that make college football unique. What I don’t want is yet another homogenized product that no cares about until the final month, and then only for the first weekend as everyone tries to find a “bracket buster”. It’s fine for basketball, but don’t go ruining the sport I love.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I agree with you there.
but I still believe that undefeated teams should be treated fairly equal. After all the bowl games are done, there is still the possibility of 4 undefeated teams.
The problem lies in how they determine SoS. I don’t know what all it entails, but I bet travel and conditions don’t play into it.
I did a little research on the undefeated teams travel to away games, i won’t bore you with all the details, but I can tell you that the top 3 undefeated teams did far less traveling than the other 3 undefeated teams. Being a former athlete, I know how travel can affect you, and I give BSU, TCU and Cincy props for all the travel and still whoopin some ass.
Until someone steps up to try to level the playing field for undefeated teams, there’s going to be moaning and groaning every year.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Well, for one, preseason really doesn't mean much
and two, the point HS made about playing against Bama or Florida applies here. You’re sorta buying into the commonly held idea that second tier SEC teams match up in credibility with top 10 non-BCS conference teams like Boise. The point here is that Boise’s “liminality” is different from LSU’s (and I honestly don’t think you could call Ole Miss gypsy of liminal… they’ve never been in a BCS bowl game and blew their chances to easily make one this year). Boise has risen up to not an extremely high, but not the highest status in the college football world. For a non-BCS school, that is extremely impressive, and keeps them at least in the conversation of being in “the elite”. So playing a team like Boise that has really achieved a ton in a short amount of time is really more impressive tan beating any second tier SEC team, no doubts. The only people who will disagree with this are the pretentious writers like Maisel, who no fans really care about much anyway. Essentially what I’m saying is the Boise’s gypsy/elite status is unique and just as credible right now as LSU’s.
/O'Keefe'd.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Nov 27, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
SMA*...
I said HS… mah bad.
/O'Keefe'd.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Nov 27, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'd agree with the Boise part of your comment...
…because that’s a no win situation for whomever plays them. They are still just Boise because of their conference, and anyone who loses to them takes a hit. GT and Okie St though… if you beat them in a non-BCS you get a “good for you” from the media, but the media likes to think they are so smart, so if you beat them in a BCS game the media takes note.
What I find interesting is that for about 5 years (2002-2006) we played teams in bowl games that were only a year (or two) away from their own MNCs. That was quite the streak, and I wish we would have got some love for playing every one of them extremely well (except maybe USC- – ugh).
What stood out most to me as I read this though, was that the gypsies have their own pecking order. I bet there is more than one person who read this write-up and thought “Iowa and Boise St are not the same” which is part opinion, and part long-term perception. However, if you ask USC, Florida, aOSU, etc, they will probably tell you that if you aren’t them, then we’re all the same. “All those gypsies look the same” so-to-speak.
Thanks SMA, well put together thoughts. Good write up.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 28, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
I liked the positivity you have for your team. i have’nt gone through the whole blog, but I went through your comment.All I could make out was that it is talking about American football and Iowa team being a gypsie. please tell me what is a gypsie.As a foreigner, i am not much aware of this game so please forgive me for that. I know a website which showcases the latest news on American sports and some times their “daily pictures” segment contains news about American football news as well. so please check out this site and tell me how did you like it?
by lisa.marshall2009@gmail.com on Dec 1, 2009 5:29 AM CST up reply actions
"Lisa Marshall"
is Portugese, right? Glad we have such an international following here. Didn’t know Iowa Football had gone global, guess Thomas Friedman was right, the world IS flat.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
"The world s flat."
No cup-size jokes, please.
LOL
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Dec 1, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
Question (channeling Dwight Shrute): your example illustrates that some of these societies seek to admit new members to keep the organization lively. I might argue college football and the keepers of the flame go to great lengths to inhibit new members until you have a Jimmy Johnson, say, who is so brash to challenge traditionalists by their own bias, thereby elevating his program through sheer force of will and around his brash personality. Spurrier did something very similar at Florida. Using those examples, I don’t believe Captain Kirk has the personality to develop such a cult following to elevate Iowa’s program, no matter the onfield results. I don’t say that to denigrate KF or his accomplishments, and I really wouldn’t trade Kirk for anything, Rather I’m more interested in your take on that facet of the door-busting Div 1A programs in recent history.
To bust through the door
you need to play in the BCS games. Winning just moves you within the elite. If Iowa plays in 5 of the next 8 BCS bowl games, they’ll achieve status change. How they go about it is almost irrelevant. I don’t think anyone would say Miami was not elite with Jimmy Johnson. One might be able to make an argument that Miami were denied king of the elite status and maybe deserved to be as such. But my point is…name me a team that elite who does not play in BCS bowl games. I want to debunk the notion that winning Cap One bowls against top flight competition will thrust us into the elite. It will help our own psychology and keep people happy but Ivan Maisel is not about to rewrite his article.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Agree with your point about playing in the big boy games. And if Iowa were to play in BCS games 4 of 6 years or something, I presume the Maisel’s of the world would have to re-thiink Iowa’s place in college football. There may not be a better time than now, with a wounded Michigan and an 82 year old JoePa, who may coach another 5 years. Joe’s great; you just can’t help but wonder how much longer he’ll go. I’m just curious how much the “face” of the program goes into other’s willingness to upgrade status of the school.
SMA has it.
Cap One bowl wins are by no means disappointing. But if the Hawks and their fans want to be elite, it’s gonna take a lot more.
/O'Keefe'd.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Nov 27, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Busting through
Great, great post, SMA. I would like to also consider Kuhn here. Do programs gradually get to elite or do they bust through as in a revolutionary way? Although it did not get us to elite status, Fry got us to contender status in three seasons. It was not gradual – in one season the Hawks freaked out three then elite teams: UCLA, Nebraska, and Michigan to break the chokehold of the Big Two in the Big Ten. This was after holding a national record for consecutive losing seasons (13, I believe). After that 82 Rose Bowl, many other B10 schools have gone to the RB but Fry and Iowa had to “bust the door” in. How would we change the current paradigm?
by GMcNhawkeye on Nov 28, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I will give you 50 Dollars if I can use this paper in my Comp Class
But I agree with Madison, there is no way Iowa acheves a status change unless we step up and win BCS Bowls over the next decade, AND we stop having these 3 year swings. If you remember, going into 2005 we were poised to be National Champions until the season went down the crapper
No more of that talk or I'll put the fucking leeches on you, understand? Raoul Duke
I owuld argue that we could lose 4 of the next 8 BCS bowl games
and win none, and achieve status change. It would be easier to win one every so often though. The BCS games, as long as they exist, are the keys to the kingdom. We need to be in them to change ANY perceptions. We’ve played Cap One bowls long enough. We are ready for the next step.
Again, my argument is that one does not need to neccesarily win these BCS games, just be in them. We know if we win the conference 4 of the next 8 years, we’re playing one. But there are other ways in.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Brilliant as always Stoops
However we also must not struggle with the non elite teams. We know that UNI is a rivalry game and we were in no danger of losing to Ark. State. This is not the way it is viewed by the haves of the football world. We also need to make jfNW our bitch for the next 40 years. The haves only lose to each other or the high tier gypsies if you will. I whole heartily agree we are at the door of reaching these heights. In the end though it comes down to this …….
FUCK EM WERE IOWA!
I think another imporant point is
that Michigan, Notre Dame and teams that have disappointed for longer periods of time like Nebraska are now completely out of the elite, opening up spots for teams like Iowa. Think of it like the Supreme Court… once a justice leaves (whether due to death, old age, or whatever) they are replaced with a new elite (presumably/hopefully) justice. This process is thrown under a lot of scrutiny, just as being accepted into the college football elite is. You have to prove your worth it, and turn exceeding everyone’s expectations into solid, serious expectations from many fans, analysts and other teams.
Also, occasionally slipping up and not soundly beating totally inferior opponents during the season does not necessarily take you out of the elite. Winning is winning, and clearly the BCS is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately kind of system. If you only beat an inferior team by 3, but soundly beat a top 25 opponent on the road, the inferior win is moot (Iowa supported that this year, thanks to the computers).
Anyway, this was an awesome read, SMA.
/O'Keefe'd.
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Nov 27, 2009 3:33 PM CST reply actions
Great thread
Wisconsin has won two Rose Bowls and had a Heisman winner in the last ten years. Are they elite? I think not. They’ve had success, but like Iowa, three year cycles of peaks and valleys are a part of our lives. When was the last time Wisconsin was in the national title chase? Even when they had a good run in 2004, it was all Rose Bowl talk and not for the national title.
Iowa truly does more with less than other top BCS conference schools when you consider revenue and population base. However, for those two reasons (primarily the population numbers), I just can’t see Iowa becoming a top 10 program year in and year out. If Iowa could raid Chicagoland for its top HS players every year, ND and Illinois permanently become mediocre and irrelevant programs, and Iowa has minimal player attrition and legal problems, then you’re talking BCS bowls every other year, but that’s not realistic.
I agree that going to a BCS bowl this year will help Iowa up the ladder towards “elite” status, but I don’t think anything short of a national title or two will change that. However, KF has built a program where 8 +/- 2 wins and New Year’s Day bowl games are to be expected. It’s not elite, but I’ll take it.
by Big Game Today on Nov 27, 2009 10:58 PM CST reply actions
Thank You
I would love to see Iowa achieve a Florida or USC like status, but it just isn’t going to happen. We don’t have the in state recruiting base. We don’t have enough kids who grow up wanting to be Hawkeyes. Once you get outside the state, we can snag some really good talent, , but not enough to have true depth.
There’s also the coach issue. How much longer will Ferentz be around… 5 years? A little longer? We can attract a great replacement but will that replacement stick around or will it be a Nick Saban who uses Iowa as a stepping stone after 3 seasons? What if we hire a Ron Zook… Iowa could easily enter 5 year skid. The Saban scenario isn’t all that terrible, at least he would leave the program in great shape. A school like Iowa needs a stable coaching situation though.
So we’ll have some great years. A national championship is within the realm of possible outcomes. I just don’t see true elite status as realistic.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
Nice addition to your "can Iowa re-calibrate it's position in the BXI"
question from a couple of weeks ago. Two questions for you.
1. Is the Big Ten Conference then, seen as liminal and is in danger (or in the process) of being re-positioned into a new, lower status or is it simply the “worst house in the best neighborhood?”
2. Does Iowa need to play the big, prime time non-conference games to boost it’s image in the eyes of the Elite in addition to playing in BCS bowls?
Finally, above you said “perception is everything.” Isn’t that the truth?! It is the #1 “right” test that must be passed everytime. As we saw, being the 4th ranked team has no play when not perceived as the 4th best team. But, I think Iowa was one media-defined “solid victory” (14-21 points, in control, etc.) away from acceptance. Regardelss of what the MSM says today, they crave (and create) tomorrow’s story line and OSU is a very old story. With Michigan down for 1 probably 2 years, Iowa is in the best position to become the next MSM anointed darling and “foil” to OSU.
My answers would be
1) the Big Ten is elite—no question about it. If a Big Ten team goes 6-6 they are getting a bowl invite unless there are too many Big Ten teams for the tie-ins, and simply not enough to go around. If a Big ten team goes undefeaed they will almost certainly play for the championship. In fact, I believe that had Iowa scored a few more points with JVB and beaten jNU and then beat Ohio State in overtime that they would be #4 right now. Since Florida was ranked #1, Alabama was #5 and Texas was #2 in the preseason rankings they would be ahead of Iowa until they lose. That is how the system works. But Iowa was #22 in the AP preseason poll. To climb to #4 with an undefeated season would mean they climbed right over people ahead of them….like TCU and Boise St. Cinncy was unranked to start the season, but Iowa fell out of the rankings after UNI and Cinncy appeared so Iowa would have even climbed over them. In other words, the Big Ten would be #4 right now but not because of conference affiliation but because of preseason hype. Having said all that I think the conference rankings are such that Big Ten team will have a hard time being preseason #1 until they make a run the season beforehand. The Pac-10, SEC, Big 12 are all ahead of Big Ten right now. But, if Texas loses to Nebraska or gets blown out in NC game and the Big 12 bombs in the bowls and the Big Ten overachieves, I think we pass them this year.
2) yes and no. Iowa needs a strong schedule in its liminal state to get in-season attention. Preseason attention is more broadly based on how you finsih the previous season and your player hype and projecting wins and losses on your schedule. It is very perception based and so in that case you need to win your bowl game and have some players creating hype for your program. I just read that Vegas has posted odds to win the 2011 NC game and Iowa was 70-1. Behind…surprise…Ohio State and Penn State.
We saw that Michigan is still an elite team this year. Why? The press was eager to rank them and they did after they beat Notre Dame (another preceived elite team).
In fact, here is my list of elite programs:
This is the Penthouse—-Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, USC, Ohio State
The rest of the elite—-Michigan, Florida State, LSU, Penn State, Notre Dame, Alabama
Maybe elite—-Georgia, Virginia Tech, Miami (FL), Tenn
On the cusp of being maybe elite—-Tenn, Nebraska
High liminal—-Iowa, Auburn, Wisc., Ga. Tech, Oregon, West Virginia
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
I would move LSU up to "penthouse elite" status...
….since they have won TWO NC’s and at least another BCS bowl in the past 7-8 years. Certainly they are as elite as OU at this point. I would also move FSU down to the “maybe” area, since they haven’t been relevant for a few years.
The “shortcut” to elite status is plain to me:
You need to schedule an elite team, AND BEAT THEM, in your OOC schedule every season. Do that, and you don’t even necessarily need a BCS bowl win most years.
We schedule a home-away with Texas, USC, or OU, and beat them one of those times (and play close the other), and the cachet from that is about as high as a BCS win would be. Add to that a yearly win/close game with OSU, and we’re almost there.
If we want to be elite, this is what we need to do, since guaranteed BCS bids are dependent on oh-so-many other things, as we are finding out this year.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Nov 28, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
But the point is that elite teams don't have to be good all the time...
…just look at Miami- – they haven’t been good since blowing the MNC against aOSU, but they put together a respectable looking team this year, and all of a sudden the years of SUCK disappear and the media is all “Miami is BACK” (even though they aren’t). The elite teams can be bad for years and still get hella love (pre-season and beyond). Nebraska is another that got more credit than they deserve (until they shit the bed against the mighty ISU) just because they are Nebraska.
IF Notre Dame ever puts together a descent team again, look out, cause tWWL will slob their collective knob all season long, because of their elite status. Elite status doesn’t depend on wins and losses, it’s a brand, it’s a “tradition” and the only thing that makes it go away is decades of irrelevance (see Minnisota or Army).
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 28, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
agree with most of this
SMA I would argue Iowa is on the cusp. Iowa is more respected than Neb. now. If we get the Fiesta or Orange and win either we will be a top 5 team preseason next year. Big Ten might have two in that group. Thus your take on the Big Ten is dead on. Watching OU OSU what the hell how many fumbles can you have in a 3 min. period.
by nwyms Trebek! on Nov 28, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
If we get invited to the Fiesta and win
then I would say we would then be on the cusp too.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 28, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I once also did this...
and I ordered the Division I (FBS) football teams into six categories. I did this on December 1 of 2008, so I have not incorporated this season into it yet.
My highest category was: Ohio State, Texas, Florida, USC, LSU, Oklahoma, and Penn State (I put PSU in there because they could[/should?] be nationally competitive every year. More about potential than actual performance).
My second category had a lot of teams who were once national powers and are now struggling, and a bunch of teams that needed another year or two of excellence to be considered a true power: Georgia, Alabama, Florida State, Miami FL, Michigan, Notre Dame, Tennessee.
My third category had about 25 teams in it. This category means that a team would have to have one of its greatest seasons of all time to compete for a top 5 spot or a spot in the national title game (or maybe even a BCS bowl game). It also means that these schools have/give the resources necessary to be competitive with the top programs. These teams are: Iowa, Texas Tech, Missouri, Va Tech, West Virginia, Boston College, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Arkansas, North Carolina, Nebraska, Cal, Oregon, TCU, Boise State, Kansas, Utah, Oregon State, Pitt, BYU, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Arizona State.
Here are my next three categories:
Category D: A lot of middle-of-the-road BCS Conference schools, and a bunch of decent programs from the other conferences.
Category E: Lots of MAC teams, lower-level Mountain West teams, and the bottom-rung BCS conference schools. Iowa State was here, because the end of the Chizik era was looking pretty bad.
Category F: Lots of Sun-Belt and WAC teams.
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by WaterlooChazz on Nov 28, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
My lists would delineate "traditional and rapidly upwardly mobile"....
…to account for the bizarro media love-fest when “traditional powers” like Michigan, ND, Tennessee, PSU, and Nebraska string together two good seasons and are declared to be “back.”
Actually, that’s your Category Two, into which I would move Nebraska and PSU and then it’s complete. It’s almost as if the media are DYING to get these teams on top again, usually at the expense of teams in Iowa’s category.
Seems to me like Georgia almost needs its own spot! One year they’re almost NC contenders, then they’re not at all, then they win a BCS bowl, then they’re not at all good, and so on. WVA is that kind of team, too. Oregon has been that kind of team, as was Washington back in the early 90’s. These are “on the cusp” teams that JUSSSST can’t get over the hump, it seems. They’re kind of a separate category two team, I think, parallel to the traditional powers.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Nov 28, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
"Above average in the right situation" category
Iowa would probably be in a category of schools with a winning tradition, but due to variables (recruiting, coaching stability, and player development) there’s little chance of being an elite program on a regular basis. Other schools are capable of big seasons when everything can come together might include: Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, Purdue, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Clemson, Oregon, BYU, Pitt, etc.
by Big Game Today on Nov 28, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
Once again...
fantastic writing and insight. This was a perfect read for a weekend when I was sitting around pining for us to have a game.
Yee-Haw! I ride again!
by Cornshoe Hammaker on Nov 28, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions
Great article!
Since the Fiesta Bowl talk started I have wanted our opponent to be Boise St (over teams like TCU or Ok St). I think Boise St is the highest profile team of those 3, and would be the win that would garner Iowa the most respect and visibility..
OkSt loses 27-0 to OU
Boise, Iowa and PSU are the only real at large contenders.
If Texas, Cincy and GT take care of business next weekend Iowa is in really good shape with the only threat being PSU jumping them.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
And if GT or Texas (or both) don't take care of business...
they we might be f***ed.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 28, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
I truly don't think GT is much of a factor in this debate.
If they don’t win the ACC, they’re not in a good spot as an at-large team.
They aren’t going to be taken by the Sugar Bowl with their pick to replace Florida/Alabama — no way are they more desirable than either of those teams. They aren’t going to be taken by the Fiesta Bowl with their pick to replace Texas (assuming Texas wins, of course) because Iowa/Penn State would likely be more desirable from a fanbase/ratings standpoint. (Tech fans might travel well to the Orange or Sugar Bowls, but I don’t know if they’d travel that well all the way to Phoenix.) The Orange picks next and there’s no way they’ll take them to stage an ACC Championship Game rematch. Of those last three spots (Orange/Fiesta/Sugar), TCU and Cincy/Pitt have to take two of them. So that leaves an 11-2 Ga Tech team versus a 12-0 Boise State team for the last spot. I dunno who wins that fight, but for our purposes it likely doesn’t matter.
Of course, this could all be moot if Georgia Tech loses to Georgia tonight. Then it’s win next week or BCS bust for Tech.
If Texas should somehow lose next week, it would probably be down to a three-way battle between Iowa, Penn State, and Boise State for that last at-large spot.
And GT immediately renders all this moot
By losing to a very average Georgia team. Things are looking good for the Hawkeyes. Way I see it now, assuming Texas wins next week, we are almost certainly Fiesta Bowl bound, probably against TCU.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I don't think TCU makes it to the second Fiesta pick
and if the Fiesta picks TCU with the first, then I bet the Orange takes Penn State and then we are Cap One bound. So, I see TCU going to Sugar to enhance the credentials of the bowl, and if it is Alabama they will not need ANY TCU fans to sell tickets.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
After further review
I agree with you, thought TCU might fall all the way to the Fiesta’s 2nd pick (no way they take them with their first, which I assume will be Iowa assuming Texas win) but the Sugar makes more sense.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I'm not sure.
After the Sugar and Fiesta pick to replace Florida/Bama and Texas, the picks go Orange, Fiesta, Sugar.
If the Sugar takes Florida/Bama and the Fiesta takes Iowa/Penn State, that leaves Cincy/Pitt, Boise St, and TCU to take up the last three spots. I still think there is zero chance the Orange takes Cincy after last year. So do they want TCU or Boise St? TCU is closer and will be the “hotter” (and higher ranked) team, but Boise State probably has a better rep based on their Fiesta Bowl experience. I think whichever team doesn’t get taken by the Orange gets picked up by the Fiesta; they’re both closer than Cincy and Cincy was a dismal failure for the Orange Bowl last year. Which leaves Cincy for the Sugar Bowl.
I think the Sugar would love to get TCU, but I don’t see them falling that far.
If Cincy is undefeated and
Kelly has accepted job with Notre Dame you have a suddenly “hot” Cinncy…I think Boise is the last chosen team unless Cinncy loses.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
What it takes to be elite
Rank Team Win Loss Tie Games Pct.
1 Michigan 872 297 38 1207 0.738
2 Texas 832 320 34 1186 0.716
3 Notre Dame (IN) 831 285 41 1157 0.736
4 Nebraska 827 337 41 1205 0.703
5 Ohio St. 808 306 53 1167 0.715
6 Penn St. 801 349 43 1193 0.689
7 Alabama 799 316 43 1158 0.709
8 Oklahoma 788 300 53 1141 0.714
9 Tennessee 776 327 53 1156 0.694
10 Southern California 766 302 54 1122 0.707
11 Georgia 724 384 54 1162 0.646
12 Louisiana St. 701 383 47 1131 0.641
13 Auburn (AL) 688 395 47 1130 0.63
14 Syracuse (NY) 674 472 49 1195 0.585
15 West Virginia 673 446 45 1164 0.598
16 Colorado 665 426 36 1127 0.606
17 Georgia Tech 665 446 43 1154 0.595
18 Texas A&M 660 433 48 1141 0.599
19 Virginia Tech 658 425 46 1129 0.603
20 Pittsburgh (PA) 653 477 41 1171 0.575
21 Washington 653 398 50 1101 0.616
22 Miami (OH) 650 383 44 1077 0.624
23 Arkansas 649 446 40 1135 0.589
24 Florida 641 373 40 1054 0.627
25 North Carolina 639 483 54 1176 0.566
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41 Iowa 569 510 39 1118 0.526
All-time winning percentage can be trumped by “what have you done for me lately” multiple national championships exemplified by the likes of Miami (FL) and Florida State, or recent poor performance like Colorado, UNC or Syracuse. So what Iowa needs to do is go to multiple top-tier (i.e. BCS) bowls in a decade, one or two of which must be won national championships.
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