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Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz looks on during the first half of an NCAA college football game against Northwestern, Saturday, Nov. 7, 2009, in Iowa City, Iowa.  Northwestern won 17-10.  (AP Photo/Charlie Neibergall)

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3 months ago: Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz looks on during the first half of an NCAA college football game against Northwestern, Saturday, Nov. 7, 2009, in Iowa City, Iowa. Northwestern won 17-10. (AP Photo/Charlie Neibergall)

Good news, everyone!* The Big Ten announced its picks for the all-conference teams. Naturally, the offensive and defensive player of the year are both Terrelle Pryor. Okay, not true; he's not even honorable mention.

But there's plenty of actual good news. First, the devil media named Kirk Ferentz coach of the year, and here he is reminding them that they can go suck it and he hasn't forgiven them for the slights of the regular season.

 

Such language, Kirk!

As for the players, here's the link to the voting results. The media named Bryan Bulaga to the first team on offense, while the second team featured four of his friends from the line: Rafael Eubanks, Dace Richardson, Kyle Calloway, and Tony Moeaki.

On defense, the first team had a little more Iowa representation; Adrian Clayborn, Pat Angerer, and Tyler Sash all received their no-brainer merits. On the second team, Brett Greenwood and Amari Spievey. Iowa put eight players on the media's honorable mention team: Ryan Donahue, Broderick Binns, A.J. Edds, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, Karl Klug, Daniel Murray, Adam Robinson, and Ricky Stanzi.

Not surprisingly, the coaches had a slightly higher opinion of the Hawkeyes; here's the link to their voting results. Bryan Bulaga was named their offensive lineman of the year(!!!), an award the media doesn't give out. Bulaga is joined on the first team by Moeaki and Richardson, both of which are worthy selections. Calloway and Eubanks didn't make the second team--not sure why on Calloway--but Derrell Johnson-Koulianos snuck in on a three-player tie for second-team WR.

On defense, the coaches agreed with the media in putting Sash, Clayborn, and Angerer on the first team roster. They also added Amari Spievey; as coaches, they're more likely to know that the reason Spievey didn't have a ton of picks wasn't that he's not good at football, but that there's just no hope in throwing at him; Spievey was a machine this season, and we're starting to lose hope that he's got more than one game left in an Iowa uniform. A.J. Edds is the lone Hawkeye on the defensive second team.

For honorable mention, it's as follows:Christian Ballard, Kyle Calloway, Ryan Donahue, Brent Greenwood, Karl Klug, and Adam Robinson.

Full All-BXI teams and a few thoughts are after the break.

Star-divide

MEDIA

POS.
FIRST TEAM SECOND TEAM
QB Daryll Clark, Penn State Mike Kafka, Northwestern
RB Evan Royster, Penn State Brandon Saine, Ohio State
RB JOHN CLAY, Wisconsin Ralph Bolden, Purdue
WR Tandon Doss, Indiana Blair White, Michigan State
WR Keith Smith, Purdue Zeke Markshausen, Northwestern
C Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State Rafael Eubanks, Iowa
G Justin Boren, Ohio State Jon Asamoah, Illinois
G John Moffitt, Wisconsin Dace Richardson, Iowa
T Bryan Bulaga, Iowa Kyle Calloway, Iowa
T Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin Dennis Landolt, Penn State
TE Garrett Graham, Wisconsin Tony Moeaki, Iowa
PK Brett Swenson, Michigan State Stefan Demos, Northwestern

 

POS.
FIRST TEAM SECOND TEAM
DL Adrian Clayborn, Iowa Jammie Kirlew, Indiana
DL Brandon Graham, Michigan Thaddeus Gibson, Ohio State
DL Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
DL O'Brien Schofield, Wisconsin Jared Odrick, Penn State
LB Pat Angerer, Iowa
Ross Homan, Ohio State
LB GREG JONES, Michigan State Josh Hull, Penn State
LB Navorro Bowman, Penn State Sean Lee, Penn State
DB Tyler Sash, Iowa
Brent Greenwood, Iowa
DB Donovan Warren, Michigan Amari Spievey, Iowa
DB Sherrick McManis, Northwestern Brad Phillips, Northwestern
DB Kurt Coleman, Ohio State
David Pender, Purdue
P Zoltan Mesko, Michigan

Jeremy Boone, Penn State

 

COACHES

POS.
FIRST TEAM SECOND TEAM
QB Daryll Clark, Penn State Mike Kafka, Northwestern
RB Evan Royster, Penn State Brandon Saine, Ohio State
RB John Clay, Wisconsin Ralph Bolden, Purdue
WR Eric Decker, Minnesota Tandon Doss, Indiana*
WR Blair White, Michigan State Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, Iowa* Keith Smith, Purdue*
C Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State Rafael Eubanks, Iowa* Joel Nitchman, Michigan State*
G Dace Richardson, Iowa Jon Asamoah, Illinois
G John Moffitt, Wisconsin Justin Boren, Ohio State
T Bryan Bulaga, Iowa Rodger Saffold, Indiana
T Dennis Landolt, Penn State Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
TE Tony Moeaki, Iowa Garrett Graham, Wisconsin
PK Brett Swenson, Michigan Stefan Demos, Northwestern

 

POS.
FIRST TEAM SECOND TEAM
DL Adrian Clayborn, Iowa Jammie Kirlew, Indiana
DL Brandon Graham, Michigan Thaddeus Gibson, Ohio State
DL Jared Odrick, Penn State
Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
DL O'Brien Schofield, Wisconsin Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
LB Pat Angerer, Iowa Linebacker A.J. Edds, Iowa
LB Greg Jones, Michigan State Ross Homan, Ohio State
LB Navorro Bowman, Penn State Sean Lee, Penn State
DB Tyler Sash, Iowa Donovan Warren, Michigan*
DB Amari Spievey, Iowa
Sherrick McManis, Northwestern*
DB Brad Phillips, Northwestern Brandon King, Purdue*
DB Kurt Coleman, Ohio State David Pender, Purdue* Jay Valai, Wisconsin*
P Zoltan Mesko, Michigan
Jeremy Boone, Penn State

 

Okay. While we're quite happy that Bulaga got such high accolades for the season, we can't be alone in thinking that he was hardly the best lineman in Iowa City, much less the Big Ten. He was either on the sidelines or out of sorts for the majority of the season, and we still haven't seen the elephant-tusk-covered road grader from last season on display. He totally would have deserved a preseason OL of the year, but his performance over 2009 didn't merit such superlatives.

This is hardly a new development from these postseason lists, however; generally, the lists are crafted off of the preseason lists, and anybody whose knee blew out with more than four games left was excised and replaced by someone else. After all, Bulaga was only a second-team All-BXI player last season, even though he was by far the best lineman on the team in 2008. Seth Olsen, meanwhile, had the good fortune to be a first-teamer to start the year, so he was on the first team after 2008, despite a relatively blah senior campaign; we'd have put him about fourth on the list of Iowa linemen for 2009, behind the two bookends at tackle and Rob Bruggeman at center.

Essentially, Bulaga won the award in 2009 for his play in 2008.

At the end of the day, this comes down to stats; there aren't any for linemen, despite the ill-fated attempt to get the "pancake" introduced about a decade ago (for this, we blame Orlando Pace). It's assumed that linemen are sure things, and that as long as they stay healthy, the narrative has stayed true. After all, without stats, most scribes have no time (or no idea) how to watch linemen individually.

Frankly, though it's a subjective stat, we'd love to see how linemen grade out per play (remember that Blake Larsen famously graded at 100% during his senior season at Atlantic; lord, had those knees survived...) Without having the means to undertake such an activity ourselves, we'd imagine that if you graded each Iowa offensive lineman, Kyle Calloway or Dace Richardson would probably be at the top.

If they're not, which is possible, then it would probably be the guy who didn't even get an honorable mention: Riley Reiff. He was stout in relief of Bulaga--hell, we're pretty sure O'Brien Schofield would not have batted Reiff around like a catnip mouse, unlike some Iowa linemen--and he basically forced his way into the starting lineup even before Big Dace went down. But since he wasn't even a projected starter, to say nothing of a preseason honoree, Reiff didn't have much of a chance for postseason mention. Shame, really; dude is legit, and he hasn't even filled out his frame yet.

As for the skill players, it's a little disappointing that Stanzi only made one honorable mention team. But we get how that can happen. Spievey only making second team in the media is flatly ridiculous. If he'd put together that same season in an Ohio State uniform, he'd be getting All-American talk.

Other than that, we don't have a ton of beef; Stanzi killed himself by leading the conference in interceptions when he went down to injury, and the rest of the offensive skill players were far too inconsistent or hurt to merit much consideration. Jeremiha Hunter not getting any honorable mention love is a little disconcerting, but the BXI was lo-ho-hoaded at linebacker this season; we're not quite sure whom we'd place him above. He'll get some love in 2010 if he stays healthy. Also--given the play of Jeff Tarpinian in relief--if Hunter stays healthy between now and next September, there's no position battle at weakside backer next season, right?

So, all in all, a fair list, even if the voting on offensive linemen is basically a year behind schedule. It's a year behind for everyone else, after all. Anybody else that you folks think got shafted? Did Marvin McNutt deserve a nod, or is he still a year away from recognition?

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Yeah, both our tackles were overrated as hell

I thought both Bulaga and Calloway were shaky for most of the season (largely for reasons beyond their control, but still). Dace, Eubanks, and Reiff were all solid though. Basically, it just goes to show that most people don’t pay any attention to offensive line play, and just wind up throwing out names they know from the preseason for these things. I mean, I’m sure most of the coaches actually do, but I’m also pretty sure that they’re letting some dude in the sports information department actually fill this shit out while they, ya know, coach.

by NorseHawk on Nov 24, 2009 7:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I hope William Lowe has been studying Spievey all year

He didn’t look the part of a Big 10 corner when he filled in for Spievey against Arizona? (memory is bad) for a full game. Yes, Spievey is as good as gone and that just flat out sucks balls for the team considering we don’t have a lot of graduating seniors. He baited the QB into throwing his way while his presence alone on the field forced a lot of plays, looks and throws to the other side of the field. Some NFL team is really going to be happy when they get Spievey on their team.

by Twin Cities Hawk on Nov 24, 2009 7:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Alright, stop it.

Everyone just quit the “Spievey is gone” talk. He was a shut-down corner this year, but he will be a super stud next year, and could go first round. He wants to finish his education, so there’s that. So, yeah, he MIGHT make the jump, but it’s far from decided either way.
I know we have a lot of Cubs fans around here, but enough with the fatalism, at least until January.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 24, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to tell you

but Spievey is gone. 98% gone. His mother is dirt fucking broke and literally living day to day. He is super close to her and he will promise her he will finish. He is not getting any younger either. Gone. Lock it in.

Clayborn is a fifth year senior next year. So he has done his time. He will go to, unless they project him third round. Unlikely. I give him a 85% chance of going.

Bulaga is gone too. 90% gone. He is a late first, early second round guy and he watched his mates get injured this year. He also has that thyroid thing that may scare him to thinking he needs a contract to protect him should it flair up again.

We can replace all these guys…there will be drop off but that is college football. That’s how it works. Clayborn will be the biggest loss.

But we get back Bernstine, Hampton, Brinson, and Chaney, Jr. and we started to develop guys on the line this year and our skill positions should be much improved. We’ll be as dangerous as this year with a better schedule that will not exhaust us and more experience in the limelight won’t hurt us. You need to have a year likel this year to preapre players for even greater heights. I believe Stanzi is going to improve knowing Vandenberg is back there. Our D-line is going to be different but still awfully good, even without Clayborn. We just won’t go with only 4 guys anymore. Reiff can play tackle.

Hang tough…we will be fine and on the off chance any of these guys return, great.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see Spievey leaving

I hear your reasons, and don’t disagree with them, but I just don’t see it. He could be, legitimately, the best CB in the country next year (or top 3) and rise up to late-1st round if he stays. That’s a hefty chunk of change for one measly football season. Let the hype start this offseason, then watch him fulfill it next year, and his stock could go through the roof.

But then of course, I’m not accustomed to seeing Iowa players leaving early. Maybe it’s just my wishful thinking.

by imadirtyoldman on Nov 24, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cornerbacks are among the most athletically oriented positions in football

in other words, players who have technique are then evaluated on their athleticism. He’s not a O-lineman who needs to get stronger in opther words. Spievey is 21 years old, so he is fully mature. He won’t be more athletic after another year in college and his technique is as good as Parker has seen, so he is fully mature there.

I hear ya, but he will be told by the NFL feedback folks to come out now. He goes late second round if he does well at combine. He’s ranked 10th among CBs right now and can maybe get to 7th with a great combine. He’s pretty much there. Too much bad shit can happen between now and next year. This is a brutal game and he will not gamble because unlike a kid from a middle class background with strong academics, he doesn’t have a great fallback position. He deserves to do well, and I think he will.

Thanks for the memories Amari!

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Especially after Sam Bradford

More kids will enter the draft early. Bradford will still get loads of money, but he drops way back in the draft, so he lost buckets of cash. The kids have seen this and will not take the risk.

by TEXaco on Nov 24, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He may lose tons of signing bonus money

But he’s still a first-rounder and will be paid accordingly.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 24, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Given that that's the only guranteed part

That’s a pretty significant loss. Especially if the shoulder injury turns out to be a long-term problem.

by NorseHawk on Nov 24, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Stoops is right

and the Bradford story will drive a few dozen promising juniors into the draft. The game has changed.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Nov 24, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

do you think Brinson will transfer? Redshirt Weger or move him to FL/ KR/ PR?

this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.

by pfac51 on Nov 24, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would not be surprised to see Brinson transfer to South Florida

but if he does not, I see us being like Connecticut this year. Three running backs and lots of rushing attempts next year. Mr. Inside and two Mr. Outsides. Brinson could become the inside guy, and Robinson I think has cemented himself in there as a tweener. Wegher and Hampton will compete for the shifty, outside guy spot. I think Hampton might be a better runner with better vision, but Wegher is a better blocker with better hands. It will be a battle and we don’t know yet about Hampton’s knee.

It will be a hell of a fight and injuries will be a prt of it as they always are…I don’t see Wegher going to flanker next year. He will be returning kicks, in on third downs minimum. The odd man out could be Brinson…I don’t know though because there is so much road to travel.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

though I never have seen him play

everything you hear about this guy makes me think he could play safety or, if he put on some weight, LB.

Though, I certainly would not begrudge him for transferring.

Ankles! We don't need no stinking ankles!

by three and out the kok story on Nov 24, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wegher does have a redshirt he could take, but hey, if we want 2 or 3 guys running

for 600 yards a piece, i’m ok with that too.

this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.

by pfac51 on Nov 24, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The NFL contract issue puts everything up for grabs...

Things line up for a mass exodous of players with remaining eligibility.
1) the potential for rookie salary cap and/or a lock out
2) the injuries to Bradford and Gresham

The question is how will that impact Spievey, Clayborn and Bulaga’s draft stock. I would guess that Bulaga is high enough on the board that his draft position will not be harmed much if a lot of players come out. I don’t know if the same can be said for Spievey and Clayborn. I think either one could risk being pushed to the third round or later, depending who else comes out. At that point, it would seem better to stay and hopefully move up, not only because of the increase in experience and name recognition (which I don’t think can be underestimated in the early rounds of the draft), but because more people left this year than normal.

At the end of the day, it really seems like KF and staff gives extremely solid advice on these issues.

Ankles! We don't need no stinking ankles!

by three and out the kok story on Nov 24, 2009 8:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The question is

whether Dace comes back for a sixth year. I could really see it going either way, depending on his thoughts on his ability to play himself up into the NFL with a solid season next year versus his desire to just be thankful for the opportunities he’s had and call it a day (understandable given his injury history). Obviously, if he comes back, our O-line looks about 75% better than it does without him.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 24, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know the full story with Dace, but I presume a 6th year isn’t a given. They’d have to go through the whole ncaa-application thing, right?

by txhawkeye on Nov 24, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but his is a textbook case

Missed an entire season in recovery for a knee injury. No idea why they wouldn’t grant it.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Oops Pow Surprise on Nov 24, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

KF has even echoed that

If Dace wants to come back, he’s all but guaranteed a 6th year. And with his injury history, I think he’d struggle to sign on w/ an NFL team despite his obvious talent. A year of injury-free dominance would do well for him. I see Dace coming back for sure.

by imadirtyoldman on Nov 25, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I see it as he can come back if he wants to

But as I mentioned elsewhere, he may not want to come back. Six years is a long time to spend in college, basically putting your life on hold (whatever it may be). Could very well be that Dace doesn’t want to spend another spring and fall, at a minimum, in Iowa City waiting tables for pocket money. Obviously, I would LOVE to have Dace come back, but I wouldn’t be completely shocked if he decided to call it a career.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 25, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

I haven’t seen a single NFL scout-type soul pimp Clayborn or Spievey as much as Iowa fans. Do I think they’re very, very good? Yes, of course. But the $10 million dollar question is whether or not the NFL scouts do and that seems unclear right now. I think Spievey is more likely, assuming his measurables check out, but it all depends on where they’re slated to go. They would be stupid to leave if they’re only going to be mid-round picks.

by RossWB on Nov 24, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Espcially with the aforementioned mass exodus

If you’re not really on scouts radars this season, you’re probably better off staying in school for another season and waiting out the tidal wave of kids leaving early. I think this is partly to explain why Warren Donovan at Michigan is likely to come back, found out he wasn’t as well known a commodity amongst the pros as was to expected given his level of achievment.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 24, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Warren is also a year and half younger than Spievey

he is still growing…he needs to get stronger and I am sure he will be told that. I don’t see Spievey getting any better in that dept.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Spievey was smart

He’d leave. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Hawkeyes, but consider me in the camp of “Leave when you know you’re going to get paid.” It’s stupid for him to stick around here risking injury and potential earnings when you are projected to be one of the top CB’s in the draft come next April. As Hawkeye fans, we should be happy that we have players good enough to make the leap into the Draft and ultimately trust our staff to craft and mold the next guy in.

That, my friend, is Logic and Common Sense 101.

by Twin Cities Hawk on Nov 24, 2009 8:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he could be a higher draft pick next year

I don’t think it is night and day though. We all act like he will go from middle 3rd to middle first. Not likely. Players rarely see that kind of jump. Though many go from a middle first projection to a middle second. That happens all the time.

The saying by scouts is the more we see you, the more faults we find with you. So you have to have enough exposure to be fairly evaluated but not so much that everyone sees all your warts.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget.

Bernstine will be back next year, too. If Spievey is gone, we’ll probably see Bernstine, Lowe, Castillo, and Hyde battle for the other CB spot opposite Prater.

And before we angst too much about Lowe or Castillo or whoever taking over, let’s remember that (a) Phil Parker has been one of the top position coaches at Iowa during KF’s tenure and (b) we’ve seen more quantum leap improvements at CB than perhaps any other position on the team. Look at Fletcher or Allen or Johnson. Those guys really took their lumps early on (and, hey, I love Allen and Johnson too, but the pass defense in ’02 was awful and they were out there a lot) but developed into good/very good options at CB. Fletcher turned into an NFL draft pick and probably the main thing holding Allen and (definitely) Johnson back from doing the same was size.

by RossWB on Nov 24, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I completely forgot about Jordan Bernstein when thinking about Spievey replacements

Hopefully his recovery is going according to plan as he has the game experience that would be nice to insert back into the starting XI.

by Twin Cities Hawk on Nov 24, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Was Donovan Warren better than Spievey?

I don’t think so. These things are a joke to me anyway. When Michigan gets Warren on the first team after being shredded for a million passing yards….please.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 8:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he might have been.

He was the only corner in the conference (other than maybe Coleman) who was arguably better than Spievey, but was the victim of Michigan Walk-On Safety Apocalypse. Don’t let the numbers for that defense deceive you; he had no support whatsoever from a lackluster linebacker corps, no serviceable cornerback on the other side, and the aforementioned walk-ons.

(And, yes, I know Spievey also had a walk-on safety behind him. He’s also a second-team all-conference selection, so shut up.)

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Hawkeye State on Nov 24, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was reading some of Brian’s UFRs. He wasn’t impressed with Warren over the last two or three weeks.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Iowa allowed

five (5) total receptions which gained over 21 yards in the Big Ten. Two were to Penn State.
Iowa had 4 receptions over 21 yards against Micchigan alone by four separate players (I know two were safeties fault though). In fact, a casual look reveals that every game Michigan played there were multiple 21 yard+ plays by multiple players in each of those games.

Spievey had more passes defended and Warren had 4 ints vs. 2 for Spievey.

I can see the guy getting second team, but first team with that kind of shredding?

Just saying…but I am on record for not caring…I need to be truer to that.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Other than Iowa (who didn't have a lot of success with it) basically no one threw at Warren

The other corner slot was basically a rotating disaster, and they allowed a ton of big plays in the middle of the field because their linebackers couldn’t cover. Think of the two big Moeaki plays. They happened because of breakdowns by the safeties and linebackers. Michigan allowed a ton of similar big plays to TEs this year.

by NorseHawk on Nov 24, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ND went after him plenty

and were very successful. They also went and Bubakar whatshisname but they went at both guys and racked up tons of big plays.

NFL tracker has Warren ranked 4 in the country and Spievey at 10th.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ND got most of their big plays on Cissoko from what I recall

Also, you could make a pretty convincing argument that Floyd and Tate were the two best WRs in the country, so allowing a few big plays to them is hardly an indictment of his ability. Speivey (who, for the record I think is very very very good, and completely worthy of 1st team all-conference) never played against anyone of that caliber, so it’s hard to say what he’d have done against them, especially without two quality safeties behind him.

by NorseHawk on Nov 24, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I said they had little success

Not none. By and large we struggled to move the ball on them, and Warren was a big part of that.

by NorseHawk on Nov 24, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Stross was actually really well covered, but Stanzi made a perfect throw, and Stross an even better catch. That’s a credit to us, not a knock on him.

On the DJK one, I’m pretty sure he was supposed to get safety help over the top and didn’t because Michigan’s safeties are fucking awful. Amari, while very very good, is helped a lot by having Sash and Greenwood behind him. Lots of the plays where I can recall it seeming like Warren got burned where plays where he was playing zone and the safety never got over to help deep like he was supposed to.

by NorseHawk on Nov 24, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and for the record, there seems to be a reasonable consensus that Greenwood was more than adequate this year. What a fucking jump from last year, huh?

by txhawkeye on Nov 24, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely

No one was harder on the guy than me the last two years, but he was very good this year. It was fun to see. He was kinda shaky against UNI, but after that I can’t think of too many plays where he was badly out of position or anything like that.

by NorseHawk on Nov 24, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sir Epic

I can’t say I think he was “very good” – depends on the basis of comparison. If the basis is that Vulture Sash is “very good” then no, Greenwood wasn’t. But if the basis is Greenwood 2008 – then yes, he was very very good.

The coaches put him in an honorable mention spot – and that’s probably about right, which compared to his awfulness last year, is unbelievable.

by benvious on Nov 24, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No one threw over the middle after Michigan.

Right?

That wasn’t because Greenwood was a weak link.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Nov 25, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's kind of a stupid way to look at this.

Attributing an entire defense’s output to one player is sort of like saying that Bulaga should be honorable mention because Iowa’s running game wasn’t very effective. Warren (save for the Notre Dame game, yes) was every bit the shutdown corner that Spievey was this season, but was playing with the functional equivalent of Tim Dodge, Adam Shada, and 2007 Brett Greenwood back there.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Hawkeye State on Nov 24, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Easy Big Boy

If you’re going to go full-on F. Lee Bailey on my post and call it stupid at least be sure to read the part that states that Spivey had more break-ups—there is evidence out there. If you like Warren better, you’re in good company. But he was smoked by Tate on two bombs in the ND game. And they ran the fade on him a number of times because he is kind of short. He was smoked by Doss for a 50+ yarder on national TV in the Indiana game—just like Spievey was against PSU. He’s a nice player but he got smoked a few times in high profile games.

Do you have Warren stock or something? Just checking.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH

YOU WILL LISTEN TO ME AND ACCEPT IT AS FACT, NOT COME BACK WITH OTHER FACTS THAT REFUTE MY FACTY FACTY FACT FACTS!

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Hawkeye State on Nov 24, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, these things are a total joke

It’s nice for the guys who get the awards but too much of this is just based on names. Is DJK anymore deserving than McNutt? McNutt probably leads the conference in “Crappy passes my QB tossed up there and I had to play defense on” but nobody sees that who doesn’t watch every game.

by jobi wan kenobi on Nov 24, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One GLARING oversight...

Ryan Donahue.

Unless the voters wanted to give SOMETHING to Michigan, thus the votes for “Don’t Mess With” Zoltan Mesko. Or this could be a blatant slap-in-the-face to the Wusserines as if to say, “You all sucked so much that your punter should be your MVP.” (yeah, I see Brandon Graham and Donovan Warren there, too.)

This position, while quantifiable through yardage stats, has a lot of “intangibles.” Donahue’s per-punt average is 6th in the league but his gross total yardage is higher than Zoltan’s. However, consider Donahue’s pinning Minnesota deep last weekend, the number of times he swapped poor Iowa field position for poor opponent field position. How many times was the defense given a large field to defend because of his ability?

As an admitted Hawkeye fanatic (and homer), I feel young Ryan got hosed!

by SavagePoop on Nov 24, 2009 10:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's a tough call.

There were quite a few good punters in the B10 (hey, the league of “punting is winning” frankly demands it), so while Donahue was very good, I can kind of see why he got passed over.

I do agree that sometimes it’s hard to quantify the impact of a punter in stats; per-punt-average is the most popular, but it can only tell us so much.

by RossWB on Nov 24, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Donohue had a very mediocre game against Minnesota

a game he could have really shined in. He struggled, for him, down the stretch. I sense he needs to improve leg strength. He is very good when Iowa is on the 40 or into the opponents territory. But, he is not Mesko-like in clearing us from our own 10 or 20 yard line. Don’t get me wrong, he is awesome, but he underperformed Saturday.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's true.

But it didn’t cost him anything in the All-Big Ten teams; those votes were in prior to the final game of the season (which is dumb, but hey).

And he might not be quite as good at booming it as far as Mesko does, but I still recall him booming quite a few punts this season. He has an excellent combination of power and accuracy, I think. (Although he did have a poor day against Minnesota and I recall one really poor punt against either jNWU or Ohio State.)

by RossWB on Nov 24, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think we kind of trailed off toward the end.

The shank at Indiana and he just quit blasting them…he’ll be a superstar next year. He looks very lean still and I could see him getting stronger.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's the opposite of Boone then

Boone has done well pinning other teams, but his forte seems to be sending off 60 yarders that bail us out when we’re playing terrribly against IU.

Mesko deserves some kind of award after RichRod blamed the fake punt against MSU on him.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
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It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are these supposed to be measure accomplishments all season or just during conference play?

If it’s the former, some of the Iowa love makes more sense. If it’s the latter, it’s inexplicable. Dace didn’t even play half of the conference games.

I’m always in favor of positive recognition for Iowa, but too many of these nods seem like career achievement or “hey, we’ve heard of you before” type things.

As far as anyone left out… hard to bitch too much. I thought A-Rob might get a tad more love since he did finish 4th in the Big 10 in rushing despite missing a couple games. And McNutt had a bunch of TDs and the best YPC average of anyone in the Top 30 in the Big 10 in receiving… but there were receivers that put up more catches/yards, so I can kind of see why we didn’t get the nod. Although not even HM? Really?

by RossWB on Nov 24, 2009 10:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Coaches did not give Stanzi

honorable mention.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would think

they would be less likely to be swayed by the OMG INTS MEAN YOU SUCKED thought, especially since they could have seen him lead Iowa to wins in-person.

by RossWB on Nov 24, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where's Tim Tebow in these rankings ?!

I can’t believe he didn’t get Big Ten QB of the year! Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick!

by Duez I say on Nov 24, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Terrance Cody has been retroactively awarded BTDPOTY

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kicking game. (not to change the subject, but...)

I’m not that impressed with Murray’s kick-offs. He’d occasionally, with the wind at his back, put the ball in the end-zone, but generally his kick-offs come down around the 10-15 yard line. I’d like to see him land them right on the goal line. And a few of his FG attempts/extra points were downright fugly. Your going to have a few bad FG attempts/extra points a season, so I don’t fault him for those. But he needs to get his kick-offs to at least the goal line (I’d be happy if they were inside the 5 yard line).

by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 24, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

So I guess the coaches and media missed the Wisconsin game where Bulaga got destroyed on numerous occasions. Spivery was hosed for sure.

"You taught me a lesson, I was going to give someone the benefit of doubt, and I almost did, then something said, no don't, don't, its not for you, its not my thing" Larry David,

by Mac G on Nov 24, 2009 10:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Fascinating results; thoughts on the three juniors; speculations.

Awards:

One, as I noted during the game Saturday, and as OPS says, where is Bulaga’s dominance? But we must be missing something. Even Griese said (I’ve never felt he wanted to compliment Iowa much for anything) that his film study before the MN game showed Iowa to have perhaps the best O-line in the Big Ten. So either Bulaga and Dace are riding Ferentz’ coattails, or they are getting honored for things they did in the past, or the coaches in particular think we were positively bad in the backfield, which unfairly diminishes the popular, tv-viewing impression of the O-line.

Two, Moeaki disappeared statistically as the season wore on, but the coaches seem to be saying, “That guy will kill you if you don’t triple-team him.” Again, it points to some core deficiency in our offense, because ordinarily we would blow people up if they overcompensated to shut down one guy.

I suppose the offensive deficiency would have to be our injury-whacked running backs, plus losing the Stanz.

OSU gets little respect in these results, but they were the dominant team in the conference. That’s unusual.

Pricing risk: the net present value of an average NFL playing career:

In regard to the three juniors, it would seem to me that unless a guy is going mid-to-high first round, where his total signing package grossly exceeds the available NCAA insurance, it makes more sense to come back (if they wish to). That’s because if you can insure yourself against a Bradford-type debacle and put a $3mm risk collar on the next season, and if the best NFL package you’re going to get is in the $3mm range, or less, it might make more sense to take another year in college in order to have a shot at moving up. Comp is overweighted to the top of the first round, obviously. For a guy like Bulaga, if he’s going late round one, but next year could reasonably target a Jake Long/Robert Gallery package, the difference could easily be 500%. Remember, comp increases nonlinearly as you move up the draft board.

Under this scenario, Bulaga leaves, Adrian stays (because he won’t go high first round), and Spievey stays.

But this is a risk-adjusted economic analysis and these guys are probably not looking at their bodies and careers as a security to be maximally priced. Also, some guys don’t like school and going to class, and some guys need to do stuff for their families. None of the three probably think that they’re going to have a 3.5 year NFL career and never see another contract; they’re kids and they’re still indestructible. I won’t put money on any of the three staying. Thanks, guys, for the special memories.

Other speculations:

Would Wegher make a good Welker? Would we introduce more action for our slots if Wegher slid outside? I would say that Wegher has better hands than DJK, though again, how would I know, I only saw him catch the ball on TV.

We have better linebackers, and more depth, than any Big Ten team, including Linebacker U. This is really pretty incredible. How many times has Iowa been able to reload, instead or rebuild, at a position like linebacker over the years?

I think the coaches decided mid-year that the easiest way to get beaten by Iowa was to throw the ball over the middle. Our takeaways plummeted on a per-game basis after that.

I think the player rankings and all-con teams show an appreciation for Iowa’s organized, consistent, team-oriented, simple schemes. In many conferences the best athletes get a higher percentage of the accolades. I think a lot of people, in looking at Pryor, said, “Great athlete. Glad he’s not on my team.” They’re saying this about the QB of the league champs. Honestly, I never thought he would be able to beat out Stanzi, and further, now I don’t think he could beat out Vandenberg. It would seem a few coaches would agree.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Nov 25, 2009 9:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

P.S.

I assume Dace can’t get higher than the third round, because of the gruesomeness of his injuries. Remember, last year at this time he couldn’t, actually, walk very well.

So he would seem to have the most to gain by returning and proving that he can hold up as well as perform while healthy. What’s a third round pick going to get? $700, $800K? Big money, but if he’s all Big Ten again next year he’s staring at $5-$10mm, I would think.

Pro personnel directors do not go out on limbs, and drafting and paying guys with multiple page hospital records is pretty unusual.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Nov 25, 2009 9:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we're missing anything

I sit in endzone bleachers every home game. It’s a shitty view for figuring out if we got a first down, but it’s basically perfect for watching how the o-line is playing (there is a reason that coaches traditionally film the team from that angle). Since that’s what I played in high school and my brief foray into college football, that’s where my eyes naturally drift. Maybe our RBs haven’t been great, but I’m telling you, the holes aren’t consistently there, and there are several guys on that line (especially Vandervelde and Calloway, but also Bulaga for a large chunk of the season) who are struggling in pass protection. Stanzi saved himself from quite a few sacks by being able to move in the pocket well, or they’d look even worse. I honestly think this is an instance of the media (and the sports information people that actually fill out these ballots for the coaches) focusing mostly on the skill position guys and just throwing out names they’ve heard of for the offensive line positions. Most people don’t like to watch the guys in the trenches do their thing, so it’s almost never evaluated right in the media. We have an overrated line right now (largely for reasons outside their control…you can’t miss that much practice time and still play at your best…not against the defensive lines in the Big Ten). They’re coasting on their reputation from last year, and Ferentz’s (deserved) reputation as an o-line guru.

by NorseHawk on Nov 25, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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