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Sure, it's incredibly overused (the headline) but we're in a hurry to get the conversation started. If you follow this sort of thing you know that Iowa is in the running for four bowls (in no particular order): Orange, Fiesta, Capital One, and Outback. The goal, of course, is to be invited as an at-large to one of the BCS bowls.

The BCS pecking order is as follows:

1. National Championship: BCS #1 (Florida or Alabama) vs. BCS #2 
(likely Texas)

2. Rose Bowl: Pac-10 Champion (Oregon or Oregon State) vs. Big Ten Champion 
(Ohio State)

3. Sugar Bowl Pick #1: Replacement pick for SEC champion (Florida or Alabama)

4. Fiesta Bowl Pick #1: Replacement pick for Texas 
if they win out

5. Orange Bowl: ACC Champion vs. BCS at-large

6. Fiesta Bowl Pick #2: BCS at-large

7. Sugar Bowl Pick #2: BCS at-large

TCU and winner of Big East are currently guaranteed a place in two of the above at-large spots. Which means there are two remaining spots for at-large selections.

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In the mix for at large bids are the Orange and the Fiesta at-large are:

Iowa

Penn State

Oklahoma State

Boise State

Cincinnati or Pittsburgh (the loser)

Oregon (if they lose to Oregon State)

Georgia Tech (if they lose to Clemson)

I may be missing a team but I don't think so. Also, I am only listing serious candidates to be invited as an at-large.

Where are we going?

Where do you want us to go?

Where do you think we should go?

Here is the link to the latest BCS rankings.

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See you in Glendale

That’s my feeling, anyway.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

With the head to head over PSU and having the traveling crowd that Iowa does, I don’t see a way that the Hawkeyes aren’t in AZ come January.

"If Ron Zook were an ice cream flavor, it would be praline and retard"
-Garth Algar

by Tree Meister on Nov 22, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The only way I see...

Is if Okie State loses, and if the Fiesta picks Pitt. They might take PSU in that case. But even then I’m not convinced.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

are u suggesting Pitt / Penn State

in Glendale?

this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.

by pfac51 on Nov 22, 2009 7:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Don't think it would happen

Two teams from the same geographical region won’t happen, too many “casual” fans would be missed from other regions.

Said, if for no other reason, to avoid making Pat Angerer angrierer.

by The Bacon Explosion on Nov 22, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The win over PSU

only counts for so much. JoePa will sell their ticket allotment and pull higher TV ratings.

The real card Iowa holds is the growing pressure to ditch the BCS. It would look really bad if Iowa is ranked higher that PSU, has a head to head win over PSU, but PSU gets picked instead.

Keeping in mind the public mood against the BCS, I think there will be 2 Big 10 teams because the BCS wants to keep the Big 10 happy. Delaney has been more than happy to swallow the BCS man gravy, and the BCS wants to keep it that way.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Nov 22, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we have an advantage when it comes to the Fiesta Bowl

JoePa doesn’t matter there, IMO. And I don’t know how many of our fans want to see TCU anyway.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The BCS has never claimed to want the "best" 10 teams

Just the “best” two. I don’t see how there can be a backlash for not fulfilling a promise they never made.

That being said, either team could be picked and the other can’t really get that upset about it IMO. Same conference, same record, very similar ranking. Sure Iowa won head to head but they also lost to Northwestern. It’s really a coin flip IMO.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Nov 22, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Spot on. It will be what it will be. Dumbass bowls anyway

by txhawkeye on Nov 22, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm pretty sure I can get upset

Same record and same conference yes. But Iowa has the head to head win and a better schedule. It should be an easy choice.

by NorseHawk on Nov 22, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How upset were you last year

about jumping Northwestern? If we’re talking spot in the MNC game that’s one thing, but the non-champ bowls never claimed to want the “best” team, and the two resumes are close enough to warrant picking either one in the interest of goal #1.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Nov 23, 2009 7:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IMO obviously.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Nov 23, 2009 7:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I don’t think it is fair to say that Northwestern had a similar resume to Iowa last year. Other than Iowa, they had not beaten a single team ranked at the end of the season. Also, there is no comparison between the two schools Bowl resumes, meaning ratings on TV and fan travel.

Penn State are virtually identical in these terms. Iowa had he highest rated 11am game on TV this year, against ratings stinker Indiana. There is no argument that selecting Iowa would be a “risk” whereas that was certainly the case with Northwestern in the Outback.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 23, 2009 7:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ooops

made a few typos there.

Iowa is not a risk, whereas Northwestern is and Iowa had just beaten a #4 ranked Penn State and Northwestern had not beaten anyone of note. So only records were identical.

In comparing Iowa and Penn State…they are equal across the board. Iowa and Penn State will both bring ratings and fans. So it should then come down to on the field play.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 23, 2009 7:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Records weren't identical

Northwestern had one more win (9-3) at the time. The key issue was fan travel/ticket sales. jNWU just isn’t attractive to the bowls, especially in comparison to Iowa.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 23, 2009 8:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Please O Please

i live in scottsdale and bought my tixs last week. Last time i did the same thing for the insight.com bowl and Central Michigan fucked my life up. Ok State and Indiana ended up there and i think only about 25,000 people showed up. I lost a hundy a tix on that bullshit. Football gods don’t fuck me now. Fiesta Bowl, Tucson next year, then National Championship next year all in Arizona. I hope its against TCU also as they are supposed to be more physical and a better team. I really like how we match up with them and it would go a long way towards earning back respect nationaly for the Big Ten. Everyone talks about Boise being so great and they are good, but i think our D is to much for them. Either one of those two makes the Fiesta the second best BCS game ratings wise if i were a beating man. Go Hawks!

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by smokinthereiff on Nov 22, 2009 4:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

There's really only two open spots

TCU is guaranteed one, as is the winner of Cinci/Pitt (as Big East Champ). It is probably in our best interests in Cinci won, although I’m not really sure they’d get picked over us as a at-large if they lost, since they don’t have that big a fanbase.

I also don’t think they want to risk the media uproar and negative PR that would come with leaving an undefeated Boise team out. I mean, it wouldn’t be a total shock if they got left out (bowls are ultimately about money, after all), but I still think I’d pencil them in, assuming they beat Nevada (which is far from a lock given how the two teams have played recently). So that’s one open slot.

For that slot, I think it ultimately comes down to what Oklahoma State does. I could see the Fiesta taking them if they beat Oklahoma. If they lose (which seems like a strong possibility with Robinson out, but Oklahoma is really bad this year), then it’s down to us and Penn State. I wouldn’t be stunned if Penn State got in over us, but I’d think we’re the favorites there. If it were the Orange Bowl, I’d probably go the other way, but not the Fiesta.

by NorseHawk on Nov 22, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Okie St. is going

As stated numerous times during yesterday’s open threads, It’s about selling tickets to these games, Oklahoma St. can’t even sell out a home game, and never have, with a 60,000 seat stadium.

It’s the same reason Iowa went to the Alamo Bowl in 2006 with a .500 record, because Iowa fans travel.

"If Ron Zook were an ice cream flavor, it would be praline and retard"
-Garth Algar

by Tree Meister on Nov 22, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the TCU problem

Their home attendance is horrible and the casual TV viewer doesn’t give a damm about them. The BCS has to absolutely hate this year. TCU, Boise, and Cincy all undefeated. All lousy TV draws.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Nov 22, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

all the sports talk radio

in KC has Okie St replacing Texas & their potential “match up” with TCU/ Boise State.

The sports talk radio stations down here (2 of them) think the Orange Bowl is down to ACC champ vs. Iowa/ Penn State & give no chance for a Big 11 team in Glendale.

I’d like to see Iowa/Okie State, but as already mentioned they only sold out their jNW size home stadium maybe once this year (Halloween vs. Texas, right?).

I think the Fiesta wants/ needs a good match-up, I’m not so sure Okie State brings that fan base on the road.

Thoughts?

this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.

by pfac51 on Nov 22, 2009 7:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Last year Oklahoma State

played in the Holiday Bowl. It is played at Qualcomm Stadium and it holds 72K. Guess how many showed? 59K
Two years ago Oklahoma State played at the Insight Bowl…in Arizona. The Sun Devil Stadium holds 73K. Guess how many showed? 48K

They’re not going to the Fiesta. Trust me.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 22, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If it was Nebraska, Oklahoma, A&M, the Fiesta would stick with their conference partner. Those Stillwater folks don’t even support their team at home. T. Boone is a nutty dude, but the only way he’s buying up 40,000 seats is for a NC. The big 12 country people just aren’t looking at the poor support of this team.

by txhawkeye on Nov 22, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

48K? that's bigger than Dyke Stadium proud home of jNW, right? LMAO

so don’t fear Boone Slim Pickins team then?

this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.

by pfac51 on Nov 23, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You lost me at, "all the sports talk radio in KC"

610 and 810 offer no insight on a national scale. They are regionally focused and assume eveything will break the BigXII’s way. Good for when they talk about the Chiefs, but bad when I want to hear anything outside of KU football.

Frankly, I think it’s still a massive tossup. There’s no “deserve” in college football, it’s about money-especially in today’s economy. Since the most likely reps in the Orange and Fiesta Bowl are Cincinnati, Pitt, Boise State, or TCU, the bowl reps are sweating bullets that they won’t fill out their stadium. Do they take a flyer on an unproven travelling school like Oklahoma State or do they go with the sure things in Iowa or PSU?

by Cairo on Nov 23, 2009 8:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This.

I don’t think I’ve heard anything on 610 outside of Big XII football and the Chiefs since August. They did do a quick mention of Greinke last week when he won the Cy Young. Really, the only reason to listen is because it’s not music…I’m getting old and I can’t listen to music to sustain me on the drive home anymore.

/get off my lawn
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///might already be one

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by MissouriHawk on Nov 23, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I work in Columbia

and live in Sedalia. So this time of year, I can actually get 610 on the way home…while also picking up WGN and WSCR out of Chicago. Why can’t baseball be a winter sport…sigh

So, I listen to Chris and Cowboy from 5-6 pretty much everyday. I don’t mind them, or their opinions, they’re just very locally focused. And to be honest…that’s exactly what they have to do to knock 810 off their perch. I don’t begrudge them from slobbering the local Big XII homers, it’s what they have to do to compete.

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by MissouriHawk on Nov 23, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

one of the guys on the morning show on 610 AM in KC w/ Roger Twibell

is an Iowa grad, and stands up for the Hawkeyes, although he admits to sometimes rooting for jKU.

810 AM kinda sucks. except the syndicated weekend football coverage.

this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week.

by pfac51 on Nov 23, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The only guy on 810 worth a damn is Soren Petro.

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by MissouriHawk on Nov 23, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who's projected to go to the Sugar?

Seems to me that if they pick first to replace the SEC champion, why would they not want to pick an Iowa team that travels better than most of the other teams they might choose?

The trick is to get a team that isn’t “local” (you can get those teams later, since there are plenty of local teams, usually) but getting a northern team that will fill your seats and restaurants and hotels can be difficult.

If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.

by The Director on Nov 22, 2009 4:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Although, now that I look at things....

…..they will likely pick the SEC Champ game loser with their first pick, and take a chance on someone else with their second. Then again, that way they likely get stuck with a dog as their second team, traveling-wise.

If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.

by The Director on Nov 22, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sugar Bowl

will lose the SEC champ to NC. Since the bowl comitees are addicted to tradition, Sugar will likely take SEC #2. Then they pick last, and by then, the second Big 10 team will be selected.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Nov 22, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

SEC #2 is by far the most attractive draw for a bowl game in Atlanta…I don’t think it has anything to do with tradition. They will be ranked higher, have more of a public appeal, and travel better to Atlanta than anyone else on the board.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Nov 22, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How long have they been playing the Sugar in Atlanta?

I thought it was New Orleans

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 23, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Sugar is in New Orleans

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 23, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I’m an idiot. they did it once.

BSD

by Kevin HD on Nov 23, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Sugar is salivating of the loser of the Florida v. Alabama game

that one is a lock. The Pitt/Cincy winner is another lock. So, in essence, there are two spots and four serious candidates: Boise, Iowa and Penn State, Okla. St.

I would be shocked in this economy if Oklahoma St. gets invited. I really would. The BCS is on the verge of another tweak too so loyalty to the conference is silly. We all know that the Fiesta Bowl is not going anywhere. But my dark horse scenario is:

Fiesta #1 pick is Iowa
Orange now has to choose between Boise and Cinncy and they take Cincy
Fiesta #2 picks Oklahoma State (if they beat OU this weekend)
Sugar Bowl has to take TCU then.

Boise is left out in cold. If they have any trouble with Nevada then that becomes the excuse. I really think Fiesta has to decide between Ok. St. and Boise at the end of the day.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 22, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Fiesta wants ticket sales

they’ll go with Boise. They pack the stadium and given what happened last time, their fan base will go crazy over a Fiesta bowl.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Nov 22, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Asses in seats

I think we may be overstating the ‘PR issue’ with the BCS. Do you really think they give a fuck? (I’ll give you one guess and the answer is ‘no’). Anyway, of the teams listed above, Iowa is the one team with a proven record of selling out more than their allotment for bowl games. The Pitt/PSU storyline may be a good one, but AZ is a long way from PA. This argument would make more sense for the Orange Bowl if the pecking order were different. Okie St., Boise, Cincy and Pitt either have difficulty selling out their own stadiums or traveling well or both. My assumption is both Ga Tech and Oregon win out. And unless the TV guys promise to buy the remaining seats for the bowl, I don’t see the Fiesta electing to roll the dice on teams that won’t bring the dollars to their stadium.

by Imustbreakyou on Nov 22, 2009 5:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

There's only so much PA to go around

don’t see the all PA bowl happening.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 22, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pitt's attendance is abysmal in Pittsburgh

Though if there’s one thing they’d crawl out of their dirty little holes for, it’s a game against PSU. Won’t happen, though.

I think it’s a 50/50 pick between us for the Fiesta. If Iowa has the presence in AZ that some of you guys are claiming, I don’t see how the Orange Bowl gets their hands on us (which is what they want desperately) unless the Fiesta does something weird like pick Okie State or TCU. We’ve been rooting against OSU for weeks, but now I think they’re the only team that can get us into the BCS, by winning.

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by Run Up The Score on Nov 22, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The only way PSU gets in the BCS

is if Oklahoma State destroys Oklahoma and Boise does the same to Nevada. Then Fiesta gets national sportswriter pressure to take Oklahoma State and Boise and that leave Orange Bowl to choose betweeen PSU and Iowa and they claim proximity or Joe Pa as decider. If Okla. St. loses to OU then Iowa is a lock for the Fiesta.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 22, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Orin Hatch

is already looking for an excuse to put the BCS nuts back in the fire. Neither Harking or Grassley have a history or caring much about the subject but if Iowa gets shafted they may be willing to throw some support Hatch’s way to try and score a few votes with Hawkeye fans.

Personally, I think the US Senate has about 1000 bigger issues to worry about first.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Nov 22, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, shafted might be a tad strong. Iowa did lose to jfNW. One loss = shaft, 2 losses = who fucking knows? I won’t be stunned if toOSU loses to OU in Norman. Then I have to agree with ruts – a PSU/Iowa tossup.

by txhawkeye on Nov 22, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

With all due respect

If this system wasn’t about cash, an unbeaten Boise State going ahead of Iowa wouldn’t really be a shafting.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not talking about Boise

I’m talking about PSU.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Nov 22, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I noticed too late

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's gonna happen

I’m sure that Grassley and Harkin have time to ponder how they can adjust the college football postseason to their likings because the BCS “just isn’t fair, man” and God knows we all only vote based on our football loyalties.

by Imustbreakyou on Nov 22, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The death of the BCS

is a pet project for Hatch. Hatch & Grassley are both Republicans and both on the Anti-Trust subcommittee. Grassley is up for re-election next year and could face a strong primary challenger.

Normally, a legislator in this situation would try to accomplish something, but the Democrats control the Senate so Grassley doesn’t stand a chance of getting any bills moving that will satisfy his conservative base. In the last year he has mostly made the news for trying to block health care reform

So what’s a poor Senator to do?
A) Whatever he can to get some positive press?
B) Try to distract some voters from the real issues?
C) All of the above?

If Iowa gets passed over for PSU for the BCS, sound bites of Grassley bashing the BCS, and possible working to kill it by getting it declared an illegal trust, will play well in the Iowa press thus accomplishing answer C.

Like I said, I think the Senate has 1,000 other things it should worry about first, but politics makes even less sense than the BCS.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Nov 22, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

some things cannot be unseen

that is one freeze-frame of Kirk I did not need to see. I can’t even tell what phase of the blowing-bubble procedure he’s in. it looks like the bubble was blown then moved down to hang on his lower lip while his tongue gently caresses the upper part of it.

by crabashng on Nov 22, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Serious only?

And you left off Notre Dame?

by formerlyanonymous on Nov 22, 2009 5:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Oregon

If they lose to Oregon State to end their regular season, I think it is unlikely they’ll be in the top 14.

by gumbercules on Nov 22, 2009 6:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Iowa has already stated "provisional" bowl game sales

that is the classic, let’s see how many people buy so we can tell the Bowl Execs. If the numbers are high with these sales, that will only strengthen Iowa’s case. But, the more I think about this, the more I think Iowa is going to the Fiesta and maybe even the Orange should the Fiesta feel pressured to take Ok. State due to tie-in and/or Boise due to high ranking.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 22, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I meant "started" to sell these tickets.

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by StoopsMyAss on Nov 22, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and the winner is.........

Both states Az. and Fla. need the revenue Iowa fans will generate. So I think we are a lock for one of the two. I hope the Fiesta is the one. Iowa has been to Fla. so much I think Az would be a great change. Now add to the fact I can attend the Fiesta and Christmas shopping would then be done for my wife and me. With Iowa’s fan base and the way Iowa travels they are a lock for a BSC bowl. If we play TCU Iowa will have a home game in Az. The amount of former Iowans and snowbirds that would want tickets would be crazy. Whatever TCU didn’t sell Iowa would buy. Would be funny to see half of the TCU section in black and gold.

by nwyms Trebek! on Nov 22, 2009 9:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hey, that's really cool!

And in his first game of real action, too. I love it. Didn’t GULK win his BTPOW inhis first gmae last year too?

by Bucketochicken on Nov 22, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It was when we play FIU I think....

I would bet he played in the Maine game but I don’t think he won the award then.

by Argulor on Nov 22, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also where does Johnson fit in when Hunter comes back?

And Tarp? we have a lot of guys that I would like to see on the field……

by Argulor on Nov 22, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The LB race will be fun next year

Hunter
Tarp
Johnson
Threadjack
Davis
Nielsen
Cato?

by Bucketochicken on Nov 22, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My vote

is with Threadjack. He really showed me a lot during spring practice last year, and I think it’s really only a matter of putting on a few pounds and adjusting to the speed of the game. Tons of upside on this one—-big gold star in my book.

by Ed Podolak of Good Judgement on Nov 23, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the talents all there

but will Kirk and Norm feel comfortable with a LB that freelances like that. Threadjack might get passed up for a less exciting option that will play within the system.

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by shake n bake on Nov 23, 2009 1:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He has that unique ability

to show up unexpectedly and singlehandedly alter the course of the game.

by Bucketochicken on Nov 23, 2009 8:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm almost positive Neilson with take Edds spot, and Hunter will probably keep his starting spot

I have no idea who takes over in the middle. Davis is the backup right now, but I could see them moving Johnson or Tarp.

by NorseHawk on Nov 22, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tarp scares me a little bit.

Only because he seems to be overaggressive at times. It’s great for a special teams player, but not always so great for a MLB. Is that just me?

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 23, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure we've really seen enough of him to say for sure

The coaching staff seems to have a lot of faith in him. He beat out Hunter last year before getting hurt, and almost beat him out again this year after Hunter had already established himself as a quality starter. Until he shows me that he’s bad on the field (and no, one bad game is not enough), I’m not really that worried. I trust our defensive coaching staff.

by NorseHawk on Nov 23, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure of this

For whatever reason, from time to time, our coaches seem to get a soft spot for someone who has the right “attitude” or some other intangible that causes them to overlook glaring flaws. Unfortunately, Norm seems especially susceptible to this particular flaw (see e.g. Greewood, Brett – who has gotten MUCH better this year). I know Norm’s talked up Tarp a lot, and he is a hell of weapon on special teams, but anyone with two eyes can tell Hunter is a much better player on the field than Tarpinian. Were some of Tarp’s mistakes to be expected because of lack of experience? Sure they were, but even taking this into account, he was still a decided downgrade from Hunter. For whatever reason, however, Norm still insists that he is almost neck-and-neck with Hunter.

Probably a moot point, anyway. From what I’ve been reading, there are some expectations that Tarp will move to MLB next season giving a projected starting lineup of Hunter-Tarp-Nielsen. Looks solid, but I guarantee you we will miss the presence Edds brings.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 23, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Again I don't think we've seen enough from him to say one way or the other

He’s barely played. The coaches see him in practice, and have been high on him for a couple years now. For now, I’m willing to trust them. If he plays and sucks, then I’ll change my mind. But I want to at least give the kid a chance.

by NorseHawk on Nov 23, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That depends

If the question is whether we’ve seen enough to tell whether Tarp is better than Hunter, than yes we have, and it is clear that Hunter is much better at the WLB position. As to whether Tarp should be the starter next year at MLB, I admit to having no real opinion on the matter and trust the coaching staff to make the best decision based on the evidence. The issue I see is that we have something of a logjam at WLB, with no real depth at MLB since Coleman left and an heir-apparent in Nielsen at OLB.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 23, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

Tarp was apparently also dinged up in the OSU game — which I imagine is a big reason we saw Johnson instead of him against Minny. I agree that Tarp would have to be pretty unexpectedly incredible to beat out Hunter at this point, but I also agree with Norse that we really haven’t seen that much of Tarp at full speed to know how good he is/isn’t.

I’m comfortable with the coaches figuring out who the best three linebackers are out of Hunter, Tarp, Johnson, Davis, and Nielsen next year.

by RossWB on Nov 24, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

anyone just catch the Big 10 Network?

I didn’t, but buddy of mine said one of the commentators spoke to Fiesta Bowl insider, who said they’d take Penn State because “of what what JoPa has done for this bowl.” whatever that means.

by KentuckyThunderPussy on Nov 22, 2009 10:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It means we (and Miami) put the Fiesta Bowl on the map in January, 1987

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's a load of crap, but there's your explanation anyway

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Bowls have a de facto "draft"

so they pick in an order. Fiesta get’s a first pick to replace Texas. They may have to select Ok. St. with that pick and then hope they don’t get stuck with TCU (as they are a required pick). But, if they select a Big Ten team with that pick, then they run the risk of losing Ok. St. due to the required TCU pick. Again, this assumes they want to take Ok. St.

My point is, they may “negotiate” a pick with the Orange Bowl and see who is taking Cinncy and TCU (both required picks). If the Fiesta finds that TCU and Cinncy are both going to be picked elsewhere, then they are home free. If they find otherwise, and I would not be surprised if no one wants TCU they are a killer in terms of ratings and fans, then Fiesta has to balance that out with a safe pick like Penn State.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Iowa is a safe pick but Penn State is perceived to be Microsoft to our Apple.

Finally, I don’t think the Orange takes a Big Ten team if Clemson wins the ACC. Clemson is the only ACC school that travels well. They will have a million fans down there and that frees up the Orange Bowl to take the best match-up rankings-wise. IF, however, it is Ga. Tech. then I think they hone in on a Big Ten team.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 23, 2009 6:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Penn State is perceived to be Microsoft to our Apple./blockquote>

So this means we’re the young, hip alternative as opposed to the geekdom of Bill Gates? I like our chances.

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by MissouriHawk on Nov 23, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

Blockquote fail on my part there.

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by MissouriHawk on Nov 23, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No way

You’re just a bunch of corn farmers. Now go tend to your hogs.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Excuse me, sir.

But, we also raise soybeans. You have to rotate the crops each year otherwise nitrogen levels get out of whack. Pffft. I’d expect someone as a fan of an Agricultural School to know better. Unless all you know is ice cream.

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by MissouriHawk on Nov 23, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We know nothing about soybeans

Pennsylvanians dedicate their lives to milking cows, breeding cows, and making giant butter sculptures of cows.

The PA Dutch raise pigs, but they’re weird. Beef > Pork

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Beef > Pork"

Those words are blasphemy in these parts. In case ya forgot, we did just retain a fucking pig statue. I’m surprised there aren’t any porcine eating cults in Iowa, at least that I’m aware of… if anyone knows of one, please direct me to the leader.

/O'keefe'd

by Smokin Herb Grigbsy on Nov 23, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why are we arguing over delciousness?

Pork tastes good. Beef tastes good. You can’t go wrong with either, or with both.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pork is a part of the Iowan psyche

… I guess you could say the same for beef, but fresh off a victory against the greatest satisfying poop euphemism ever, my mind is thoroughly fixated on yummy, delicious piggies.

Although… I did have a really good hanger steak on Friday night…

/O'keefe'd

by Smokin Herb Grigbsy on Nov 23, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

re: Sugar Bowl

The sugar fellas don’t give 2 shits who plays either Florida or Bama. They had 70,000+ last year for Bama – Utah (Utah!), a school that likely brought several hundreds of fans. So long as the SEC rep isn’t Vandy or Kentucky, the sugar won’t have a problem. I think the matchup matters quite a bit more to both the orange and fiesta.

by txhawkeye on Nov 23, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We'd REALLy have to step up on run defense

But that may be a fun day for our D, too, knowing that our corners can haqndle match-ups man-to-man against a team that one a game this year throwing the ball only once.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Nov 23, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Defensive Matchups

I think if Georgia Tech loses to Clemson in the ACC title game and we played the Tigers in the Orange Bowl we’d face another interesting matchup scenario. We haven’t really seen a team this year with a playmaker like CJ Spiller. For that matter, if we miss the BCS altogether and play Ole Miss and McCluster in the Citrus Bowl, it’s the same thing.

I would be really interested to see how our defense fares against either of the ACC teams or Ole Miss. They would do their crazy wildcat, pistol, super razzle-dazzle, “look — something shiny” offense and we’d just sit back in our base defense and try to out execute them in individual matchups. That would be interesting to watch.

I don’t really know anything about Boise except that they beat Oregon and rolled through a shitty conference. Personally, I think our best case scenario from a matchup/money perspective is to play Oklahoma State in the Fiesta Bowl. But I don’t see that happening.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 23, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In terms of "deserve"

I think TCU lucks out this year. Sugar will take either Alabama or Florida and with the last pick they will get stuck with TCU. Despite the BCS rankings heading into that game it is really #3 v #4. So TCU gets a chance to prove what they’ve got on the big stage. Sugar lucks out that it’s first selection will be such a strong draw and the NCAAF geeks will tune in to see what all the TCU fuss is about.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Nov 23, 2009 9:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think the Sugar Bowl is praying for Alabama to win the SEC championship game.

Alabama will draw eyeballs…but not the way that Tim Tebow’s final college game will. That Sugar Bowl, should Florida end up there, will probably gain higher ratings than the MNC game…simply because of Tebow.

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by MissouriHawk on Nov 23, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Florida vs. TCU would be interesting

Because I’m crazy enough to think TCU could win.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think TCU can play with anyone in the country.

And I’d love nothing more than to see Tebow walk off the field being defeated in his last game. Not so much because I hate Tebow, but because I’d love to see the media cry themselves to sleep after that.

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by MissouriHawk on Nov 23, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be fun

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Nov 23, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It would be great

TCU would win and we’d hear nothing but “Florida just wasn’t interested” like last year.

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate that excuse

Boise beats Oklahoma
Utah beats Alabama
“Oh well, the big boys didn’t show up that day”

Bullshit. Great teams show up for every game.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Nov 23, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Boise beats Oklahoma

Let’s not forget that it wasn’t exactly the world’s greatest Oklahoma team that played Boise State that year and Boise had to pull out every last trick to first tie, then win by 1 in overtime. A great game, but Boise’s win has grown in mythical stature ever since.

Utah’s win over ’Bama, on the other hand, was just a total beatdown.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 23, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think both are dangerous but I think Boise needs a certain type of match-up to win in the bowls whereas this TCU team can play anyone. They may still lose but Boise against Alabama would be demolition derby. Boise cannot stop a serious running game.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 23, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True

but OK was good enough that year that they should have won handily. As I recall, Boise got the lead early and OK came back.

In 100 years, we'll all be dead.

by Flakbait on Nov 23, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was vice versa

Oklahoma had a big lead and Boise came back on them. Who knows…that was many shots of whiskey ago.

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by MissouriHawk on Nov 23, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flak had it right

Oklahoma was down, then had a late TD + 2 pt conversion to tie, then intercepted Boise’s first pass attempt and returned it for a TD.

Boise then ran a hook-and-lateral on 4th & 18 from midfield (sound familiar?) to score a TD and send it into overtime, with the famous “Statue of Liberty” 2-point conversion.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 23, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s also not forget that Boise led that game by 17 fairly late before a massive collapse that let Oklahoma take the lead.

by SpartanDan on Nov 23, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One at-large not considered: Texas.

Nebraska could be 9-3 going into the BigXII Championship game versus Texas. Crazier things have happened than to see a Nebraska team fueled by a dominant defensive performance defeat an erratic Texas squad. If everything else played out, it would put TCU in the MNC Game and would push either Nebraska or Texas to the Fiesta Bowl. It would mean one less at-large position for the likes of the Big Ten.

by Cairo on Nov 23, 2009 11:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

This upset would be on the same level

of Kansas State beating Oklahoma a few years ago. Possible? Of course. Probable? Hell naw.

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by MissouriHawk on Nov 23, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and this one’s at Jerry World in Dallas. Place will be full o’ cow people

by txhawkeye on Nov 23, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nebraska cannot score points

they have as close to a zero chance as is possible. Texas A&M has a better chance to beat Texas.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 23, 2009 11:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If Texas loses to A&M and still goes to the NC over TCU, there could be hell to pay and rightly so

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not according to Mack Brown

Because, as he said a few weeks ago, schools from non-BCS conferences don’t deserve to be the national championship game.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 23, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Big 12 shouldn't count as a BCS conference this year

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."

by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nebraska got beat by Iowa State.....

They won’t be beating Texas.

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by Tree Meister on Nov 23, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That game

was like watching your little brother beat the piss out of the loudmouth jackass that lives next door. Oh, wait a minute… IT WAS.

I have occupational turrettes... My job makes me swear uncontrolably at everyone.

by Ioweegin on Nov 23, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Kind of.

It was more like the loudmouth jackass that lives next door dropping his pants and letting your little brother repeatedly kick him in the junk.

by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 23, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But weren't A&M and KSU pretty good?

"I don't know. I don't know. [waves hand dismissively] First, you'd have to tell me what a 'BCS' is. I don't know."
-
It doesn't matter if you "won't remember them" years from now because we'll probably all be dead years from now.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 23, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know this prolly won't happen..

and I’m aware someone’s already posted on this – but I would positively blow my load if we managed to get Boise. Just think of it! On one hand you have one of the most conservative play calling coaching staffs (staves?) in the country and on the other you have Captain Crazy-Pants Chris Petersen. Yes, I believe our D could make them cry – but that could be a truly EPIC game!

/end ecstacy. ((falls on floor drooling))

I have occupational turrettes... My job makes me swear uncontrolably at everyone.

by Ioweegin on Nov 23, 2009 11:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like that nickname...

Someone… photoshop a cape onto the picture of Petersen doing the “we just beat OU” jig from 2007!!!

/O'keefe'd

by Smokin Herb Grigbsy on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I love it when females say "Blow my load"...

…my mind can’t figure out where to begin and end with the mental picture.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Nov 23, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Orange Bowl reps were at Iowa game Saturday...

If the Fiesta is dumb enough to skip over us with their first pick then the Orange is just waiting to take us. The amount of money we spent there in 2003 was crazy. We more than doubled the USC crowd and most fans were in Miami for an entire week. $$ talks and unless some crazy BS happens in the Big XII then we are in one of them for sure. Big10 network and sports Illustrated have Fiesta matchup of Iowa VS. Boise St.

Where ever we end up just understand one thing…We will kick some ass!!!

by jrr18Ha on Nov 23, 2009 10:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I just read a very compelling piece on why Fiesta will not pick Ok. St.

They apparently are focused on TCU as likely to be their other team. This piece argues picks like this:

Fiesta- Big Ten team / logic = if they take Ok. St. then they are likely left with choice btwn Cinncy or TCU and they don’t want Cinncy due to lack of fan support if if they are left with TCU they don’t want “regional” game with Ok. St.
Orange Bowl – Ok. St. or Boise / logic = don’t want another bowl with Cinncy as it was bust last year.
Fiesta – TCU (req. team) / logic = given choice between TCU and Cinncy they want more regional TCU to ensure fan travel
Sugar Bowl – Cinncy (req. team)

So, the question is will it be TCU and Penn State or TCU and Iowa. You know the arguments on that one.

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by StoopsMyAss on Nov 24, 2009 1:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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