27-24: Ferentz's Lament
by Adam Jacobi on Nov 14, 2009 6:54 PM CST
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There was so much about the game that swung the momentum one way or another--Trey Stross single-handedly (or two-handedly, whatever) killing two Iowa touchdowns, a missed field goal on each side of the ball, big plays by James Vandenberg and Brandon Saine, whatever. It was a 12-round fight, and all the usual suspects of a titanic fight were there.
But when it comes to what the game hinged on, it was both coaches' decisions not to press to get into field goal range at the end of the game. Tressel's was, well, vintage Tressel: ball at the 18, under 3 minutes to go, and it was just dink dink dink until 4th down and a punt.
Ferentz's decision, however, was a little more curious. Iowa had the ball at their own 32 with about 50 seconds left and one timeout remaining. Seeing roughly 15 defensive backs in the game, Ferentz called a run to try to sneak a decent gain in on the soft OSU defense; it failed, no gain, and Iowa took no more snaps before overtime.
The thinking, we assume, is that the only way Iowa would lose in regulation is by getting aggressive with the pass, and Ferentz avoided that. He probably did not foresee, however, that Iowa's offense would travel backwards 16 yards in overtime before a doomed heave-ho on 4th and 26.
Indeed, the worst series of the game by far could not have come at a worse point in the game; after that, Tressel was as likely to call a pass as he was a backwards punt.
And thus, Iowa's shot at the Rose Bowl ended not with a bang, but a whimper. That, above all else, will likely be Kirk Ferentz's lament tonight.
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Here's your open thread for the night. Play fair, no slurs, and don't fight with your own. This loss feels like a kick square to the dick, and nobody's happy about that. Let's start from that premise and keep it cool from there.
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Ordinarily, I'm not a sore loser - you know, it's just a game, they were the better team today, etc, etc...
But this one is really, really tough to swallow.
And it wouldn't be, were it any other team besides OSU.
No wonder their asshole fans act so entitled.
by Bucketochicken on Nov 14, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
if I hadn't majorly adjusted my expectations while Stanzi was limping off the field last week
then I’d probably be blacked out and breaking things right now
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 14, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Same.
Before the start, I literally said…please don’t get destroyed.
But as soon as they started playing, I knew they’d be in for a fight.
Fucking Columbus.
That place seems to ALWAYS find new ways to rip my heart out of my chest and piss on it.
sigh.
With the two ridiculous plays to get us back in that one...
if Iowa pulls that out thats the kind of victory that punctuates a career.
Preach on
I would almost have rather had Iowa loses this game 24-10 as opposed to getting beat the way they did. At least if you lose by 14 there isn’t any doubt as to who the better team is. Considering this team left at least 7 points on the scoreboard….it’s tough to say that Ohio State is better, and say it with a straight face.
I was just telling my wife the same thing.
I (almost) sorta wish it would’ve been a blowout. Well, near-blowout anyway – like, 10-14 points.
by Bucketochicken on Nov 14, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Even my dick hurts
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
To not at least try to get into FG range...
with 50 seconds left to go in the game was a little too conservative (and I’m a freakin’ far right-wing nut job) for my taste.
Of course, JVB could have been picked, but our D would have shown up and the end result would have been OT anyway.
Shit, damn, fuck… I look forward to the future, beyond MINN and beyond the Cap One Bowl, and see JVB giving Stanzi hell in the spring, a Heisman in 2011, and two great recruiting classes to put in contention for a legitimate (not that this year was a fluke) run for the NC.
PS… Stoss should just stay in Avon Lake, OHIO for the next couple of weeks. I doubt he’ll feel welcome in IC.
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 7:02 PM CST reply actions
LSU anyone?
Chances are another Jake/WH type catch doesn’t happen, but then maybe it does. If you don’t try, it definitly won’t happen. And if anyone is covered throw the ball into the second row of the stands. Just saying…
Doing nothing with a minute left just strikes me as, well, giving up.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 14, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
My bad, I knew that...
I can still see him running to the endzone, helmut in hand. All I can think is I had Jake on the brain form reading the junk below.
A guy at work has the panarama of that play in his cube; the look on all those LSU fans faces is priceless and fun to look at.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 14, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
i hope that this loss can at least get us some mainstream respect
Our guys can play with anyone. A healthy Iowa right now would be scary good. this team has huge balls playing on the road the way it has.
Nah, this just goes to show...
how “over-rated” the BXI is. I sure hope (for the conference’s sake) that tOSU can win the Rose Bowl… But they are after all, the Choke-eyes… Fuck em… I will be (regrettably) rooting for them in January… Fuckers…
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know...
I really don’t know if I can root for them, despite the whole BXI respect thing. Just… ugh.
I know I’ll end up rooting for them once it gets down to it, but part of me really wants them to get fucking DESTROYED – preferably by say, Arizona.
Ugh.
Just fucking UGH.
by Bucketochicken on Nov 14, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck yeah...
If they get killed by Arizona, can we claim the Rose Bowl for Iowa? Sounds fair to me…
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry
I just cannot root for OSU. It won’t happen. Big 10 reputation be damned.
I’d rather see Notre Dame win the NC.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
I don't root for OSU...
but I also pretty much hate Oregon and USC. So, if Zona or Stanford (or maybe even Oregon State) make the Rose Bowl, then I will definitely be rooting against Ohio St.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 14, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
I know it's painful but...
We need all of the Big 10 teams to perform well in all non conference play or we face the same ridicule from the national media that we dealt with this year. A lot of their criticism is well founded. If our conference champion goes out and gets spanked (which OSU has been doing dutifully for years) it makes us all look bad. The Hawks are going to be tough again next year and we will need the Big 10’s postseason record this year to be a good one to help us climb the polls.
I'll root for
everybody but OSU. Hell, I even pulled for for Michigan in Carr’s last game. OSU though, they deserve a special place in the ass of hell.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
They can bring it.
And we brought it…too bad Stross couldn’t catch it (twice).
Niles Ghost
Stross killed us. I’d say we’re in good shape next year but we’re likely losing 2-3 juniors as well. Besides, how often does Iowa go 9-0? Fuck OSU. fuckers always go to the BCS. God damn Alamo bowl would have been good for them not to shit the bed on the national stage for once.
idk
when is the last Iowa player to come out early?
Bulaga, Spievey and Clayborn have to be the candidates, but Bulaga missed time and wasn’t right for a good while after that, and both Clayborn and Spievey don’t have the sexy production to really cash in.
I could see Bulaga coming out, but really no one else.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 14, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Fred Russell
Duh.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 14, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Shonn Greene
I wonder if he second-guessed his decision while watching Sportscenter at all this season.
But then I’m sure he looked at his checkbook to bring clarity. Can’t say I blame him.
"Oh no, don't do that, don't do that. If you shoot him, you'll just make him mad." - The Waco Kid
wow, that was obvious
dumb of me. Who before that? Anyone between him and Clark?
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 15, 2009 8:21 AM CST up reply actions
k, thanks
anyone know of an Iowa, non offensive skill position player to come out early, since those are the guys in question this year.
Bulaga is the only one that I think would seriously consider going out.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 15, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Spievey
The guy’s NFL ready right now. I’d be stunned if he comes back (without an injury making the decision for him, at least).
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Nov 15, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Sam Bradford and Jermaine Gresham say "Um..."
It all depends what the draft projections are for these guys. If they’re slated to go in the first couple rounds, it could be difficult to say “no” to that. If they’re borderline or below, it may be more worthwhile to come back, especially since there figures to be a glut of early-entries this year, which may wind up hurting everyone but the truly elite prospects.
Espcially
Since Spievey was talking about how much he wanted to go pro while he was at JUCO. Not in a bad way, just that he was using that as motivation to play well to get back to Iowa where he could showcase his skills and go pro.
Ranking the players from most likely to go pro to least likely I see it like this:
1. Spievey – definitely gone if projected in first three roudns
2. Bulaga – 50/50
3. Clayborn – possible, but I feel a little unlikely.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I've heard Speivey's family is kinda hurting money-wise too
That could play a role. I don’t think Bulaga wants to, but the potential upcoming rookie cap could play a role. He’s still projected as a first rounder by most people, albeit not as a potential top 10 pick like he was prior to the season.
Huh?
You an jebus both said it, which makes me think I’m missing some sort of obvious joke, but it’s not true. He played his first couple years mostly on special teams, and then started at RB (and was fucking awesome) his last two.
Medical Redshirt?
eligible to apply for medical hardship due to competing in just three games during 2000 season.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/russell_fred00.html
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 15, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, okay
So he technically could have applied for one, but that doesn’t mean he would necessarily have gotten it. The NCAA is kinda weird and stingy there, unless you’re Jess Settles. Plus, it was probably a good call to skip out on The Great Running Back Massacre of 2004.
They're really stingy if you've already taken a redshirt year.
I don’t think he had done that.
Anyway, I just remember the talk in 2003 being that there was no doubt he would be able to play in 2004 if he had wanted to come back for another year.
Now that you mention it, I guess I do remember that
Kinda odd he didn’t come back, actually. It’s not like he was a hot NFL prospect or something. I guess he had done about all he could though, and Gallery was leaving, which meant his favorite play (“Okay, Robert, you go pancake three guys, and, Freddy, you run through the bus-sized hole that results. Ready, BREAK!”) would be gone.
With Jermelle Lewis coming back, Fred knew he was a backup the next year.
Remember, Jermelle Lewis was the greatest running back in Iowa history our own minds.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 15, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
He made the right choice
There was nothing more he could prove at the college level, and teams already were concerned that he was way too old. Plus, he’d have been risking injury by coming back.
It will just prove that OSU isn't good either
I predict both teams fall behind USC even though they got hammered.
by Brock Sampson on Nov 14, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah! Quotith the LA Times "USC loses to Stanford 55-24, still in contention for the NC?"
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
ESPN
does all the voting? Then yes
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 14, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
No, just BALLWASHING.
I think I saw Herbie spit-shining Carroll.
Tried to post this one in the other one, but too drunk and slow
I don’t know what has been said on here, but here’s what I think:
1. We didn’t deserve to lose. They made the least mistakes, and they did what Tressel’s teams always do: win any way possible.
2. The future is fucking bright. A week and a year from now they are in Kinnick, and as my friend Brian says "70,000 in Kinnick is much scarier than 100,000 in Columbus."
3. They grow the grapefruits big in Keokuk. James Vandenberg was a man today. ‘Nuff said.
4. How beautiful was this: Tressell has a sophomore QB that is "the playmaker of the Big 10" and it was obvious from the jump that he wanted the ball no where near his hands when the game was on the line. Captain Kirk had a redshirt frosh making his first start and said "Here you go kid. This is your team." I think we can agree whose offense was better for their coach’s attitude today."
5. Any other year, the prospect of 10-2 and the Cap One Bowl against an inferior (yeah I said it) SEC opponent is a dream. I wouldn’t want to be a head coach playing within 100 miles of a game Iowa was playing in if I was anybody except KF in the year 2010, what about you?
by shada's revenge on Nov 14, 2009 7:05 PM CST reply actions
Concur, 1000000000%!
1. Tressel-ball looks like Frentz ball… Only difference is Iowa WINS bowl games.
2. The future is very bright. Next year is already looking great and JVB has 3 years of eligibility left. I think that we’ll be able to keep our in-state recruits and get some Florida speed to Iowa City this winter to check out campus.
3. I fuckin hate Keokuk (only because I’m from Mount Pleasant)… They’re grapefruits are just fruits… The miracle is that JVB didn’t end up like most KHS students (with mulletts, rotten teeth, and meth addictions).
4. Did you see Pryor crying when Tressel decided to punt on 4th and inches? What a bitch… If only Clayborn would have arrived two nanoseconds earlier, Pryor would have been sacked and probably out of the game with a case of butt-hurt.
5. We’ll kill whoever we play in the Cap One Bowl. I hope that it is ’Bama!
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
I mean...
You are SO right except, like, Tressel has won like, 3 BCS games. Which is like…3 more than Kirk…so…yeah.
by Onestatewest on Nov 14, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Whats your record in bowl games in the past ten years?
Yeah, umm, that is why the BXI gets so much shit year-in, year-out. Good luck in the Rose Bowl this year. I hope you win (for the good of the conference). But otherwise, you and your sweatervest wearing fans can kiss my ass…
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, and we've beat SEC teams in bowl games...
LSU, Florida, and South Carolina… Hmmm… Who did tOSU lose to in bowl games recently? Yeah… Bib-bye!
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Cap one...
The plaque for alternates is downstairs in the ladies room. 3-3 in BCS games under JT. I sure wish we had a Capital One bowl trophy though. Ahh all in good fun, great game today.
by Onestatewest on Nov 14, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
Kicking ' Bamas ass would be sweet
but it ain’t gonna happen. Florida & Bama are both BCS bound. LSU maybe.
As long as we win.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
i know you guys are hurtin'
but lets not have none of this crazy talk, shall we?
Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.
You guys...
were recently 14 points better than S. Carolina in your house, and we beat them by 21 on a neutral field at the end of last year. Yeah, I know rosters have changed some, but don’t act like, if Iowa was healthy (and by a bowl game, we would be close), that we couldn’t compete with you.
I’m not guaranteeing Iowa would win, but judging by your guys’ bowl performances under Saban, I guarantee an Iowa v. Alabama bowl game would be game, with a close (10 points or less) result.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 15, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
heartattack, I’m from Keokuk, I have perfect teeth, and I hate you too. Agree on 1,2,4 &5 though!! Go hawks!
Hahaha!
Its good to have a little good ol’ SE7 back-and-forth! The meth and mullett thing could probably just as easily be said for MP.
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 15, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with all of this
I didn’t get to watch most of the game, but I got to listen to the third quarter and watch the 4th and OT.
Vandenberg was the Mandenberg.
I keep hearing about how much depth Iowa has at receiver, but how much better are DJK and McNutt than the rest? They were monsters in this game but beyond them and Moeaki, JVB didn’t get much help.
Seeing A-rob again was awesome. He’s much better than Wegher right now, and having both of them in the backfield the next few years will be amazing.
A convincing win against MN could put the Hawks in a BCS game, but I’m almost hoping for the Capitol One bowl just so they can stick it to an SEC team.
This team could make a serious run at the National Championship next year as long as the entire Big Ten doesn’t lay another egg during bowl season.
I think I'd like to see Sandeman and Davis get all of Stross' snaps from now on.
And agreed 100% on A-Rob. I love Wegher, but A-Rob is a much more polished and effective RB for us right now.
That's a little harsh, no?
Look, it can’t be exaggerated just how bad Trey Stross was today. He was horrible, and he killed us in a lot of ways. But he’s still a kid who’s done an awful lot for this football team while he was here. Remember that huge catch and run against MSU? He’s a good player who had an awful day. It happens. I feel awful for the kid.
I still believe
That a lot of the drops today were because Vandenberg threw the ball so hard. I remember when Donald Driver was groomed to be Brett Favre’s #1 and they asked him how he caught balls from him. Driver said “My right ring finger has been broken since the day I met him. He broke it on the first throw, and it has been broke ever since.” I think our guys just weren’t used to the smoke he puts on the ball.
by shada's revenge on Nov 14, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
I've been really critical of Stross tonight...
for good reason. He didn’t NEED his fingers to catch those balls. The throws hit him in the chest. All he had to do was cradle them in! Look, I’ll be the first to admit that I could never do that, but that is one of the many hundred reasons I joined the army after high school instead of walking-on to the UofI football team.
Stross has been the man, and prior to tonight has come threw when we needed him to. Tonight he dropped our Rose Bowl hopes. I wish the kid well and hope that he has a banner day against the Gumpers.
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Not really, but whatever.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Nov 14, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
A receiver never
ever catches the ball with his chest, or into his chest. It is always with the hands. That is exactly what Campbell was telling him after his second drop. That is the first thing he should have learned when he first played receiver.
You cradle lob balls against your pads
If the ball has anything behind it and you let it get to your pads your are SOL.
Lasers need to be caught with your hands.
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-Nile Kinnick
by Hawkeyewith49Jackrabbits on Nov 15, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
It was a little harsh, probably.
A bit frustrated, I guess. But we need receivers out there who can make catches. If he can’t do that, give someone else those opportunities.
He has made some nice catches in his Iowa tenure, but he hasn’t exactly been a consistently standout performer, either.
Granted, but neither have the other two guys you've mentioned
Unless he’s clearly being outplayed, I don’t see the point in just quitting on a kid with one game left in his senior year because of one bad game. Keenan definitely isn’t ready yet, and I don’t Sandeman is any better than Trey on the whole.
Perhaps the question
is how much he helps us now versus how much they may be able to help us down the road. If he does more for us now, stick with him. If he does not, maybe you give the others more experience.
But whatever. Like I said in the last thread, I’ll happily root for him to have a good day next week; he definitely deserves better than to leave this as our last memory of him in an Iowa jersey.
Stross...
has been a pretty solid contributor for his career. He’s had a TD every year (and 4 in his soph year). You can find his receptions and yards at this website:
http://stats.nj.com/cfb/players.asp?id=124888&team=28
He has been pretty durable (never played less than 8 games in a season). A friend of mine has sarcastically wondered if Stanzi (with his picks) had become the new Ronnie Harmon. I said that joke would be appropriate for Stross tonight.
However, the more I think about it, he just found one of his worst games on his first trip home. You could see that, by the later drops, he was so messed up mentally that he was trying to catch by clutching the ball to his chest. Obviously, you want your receivers making the catches with their fingers, not their jerseys.
I won’t have a big problem if McNutt and DJK get the starting spots and most of the targets from here on out. But wanting Sandeman or the young’uns to take Stross’s spot is not the answer.
And of course, asking Ferentz to bail on a senior is like asking him to stop chewing gum during games. It ain’t gonna’ happen.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 14, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Did anywhere else hear Millen?
He said something to the effect of…“I think Ferentz runs the best program in the country.”
Why didn’t the Lions like him again?
Millen...
is/was high. If you’ve ever seen the South Park episode where the kids start getting high by “cheesing” on cats, then you can envision the type of intoxication Millen gets when he sees some good wide receivers.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 14, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
We can always wonder what this year could have been, but...
Can you remember what everybody thought when we lost Hampton before the season started. Here’s a hint….“We’re Fucked!” This team has overcome so much adversity this season and even without the Swinging Dick, we still have a legit shot at an 11 win season. Yes we could have beaten OSU, but honestly that was a game that we had no business being in and I am proud as hell to be a hawkeye fan tonight. This season establishes us as legitimate contenders for a national championship next year. The Fightin’ Hawks are back, bitches! Get used to it.
by InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on Nov 14, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions
I agree
I was bummed about the loss, but 27-24 in overtime? We all knew this would be the toughest game of the season and I never dreamed it would be that close even with Stanzi. Vandenberg did more than I could’ve hoped he would do. Soo…
We’re the fucking Hawkeyes, we’re still going to a bowl game, and next year has all the makings of being a season of EPIC football.
by rinseandrepeat on Nov 15, 2009 1:24 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry guys.
That was a real cockpuncher. You have a good thing with Vandenberg, though.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 14, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions
Alright, I'm sure you don't want to hear this, but...
Good game tonight, guys. Scratch that: great game. I, for one, never thought you were going to just lie down. Vandenberg should make you very excited for the future. Good luck the rest of the season.
But aren’t you guys a little more pissed at Ferentz? You had us on the ropes late in the fourth. Was there some bad tendency Iowa has in such a situation that makes him so cautious?
www.wewillalwayshavetempe.com
meh. What’s done is done. He had a rs freshman qb, 1 timeout, 50 seconds and liked the way his defense was playing. Knew sweatervest wouldn’t do shit in ot but run. The backwards 16 yards was extraordinarily unfortunate, but I understand where he was going with that. Try for the 7, and liked his chances.
I'm pretty sure it was JVB throwing a late pick
Giving OSU a chance.
Its called Tresselitus...
and it is a damnable shame… Regardless, congrats to you. You’ve represented tOSU very well this past week, and I can speak for myself in welcoming you back anytime.
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
IF we start winging it all over the place at that point,
and throw a fucking INT and lose, then Ferentz is the jerk of the century. You guys were licking your chops in a super dime…if we wait for OT we get you balanced. Frankly, if our RB makes a block in OT then our RB goes for 15 yards and we maybe win. It’s football with kids who spend 20 hours a week together…shit goes wrong.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
I got your back stoops...
lets not forget that Vandenburg threw a terrible interception that got called back on an offsides penalty that had no effect on the play. then later threw a sure interception that Moeaki played excellent defense on and ended up with somehow. The potential for a mistake was there.
oh yeah...truthfully
OSU gave us that overtime. We earned it after the gifts but…Ferentz saw that and thought…no way am I putting the season on a hurry up offense with a guy who has had probably 5 hours of paractice all season with the first team.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Yep, Argulor.
There was too high a chance of a mistake.
I was pissed at the time too, thinking we should have tried to get into FG range, or take a shot at the TD. However, we have a very athletic defense in OSU, who (from what everyone is saying) was in the dime, and we have a frosh QB who looked inaccurate-to-dangerous last week, and a bunch of receivers who might either not be able to catch (Stross), or be playing volleyball setter (Moeki and Sandeman), or will probably be double covered (DJK and McNutt). And I think Reisner and K Davis have bright futures, but they are probably not going to get us the 30 yards we need.
Then, if we do get into FG range, we have a shaky kicker and a line that might let one of those professional athletes from OSU through for the block and or return for a TD.
Meanwhile, if we just kill the clock, we can either play D, or get the ball at the 20 going in. Perhaps we should all be more forgiving of KF.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 14, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
Politely Disagree
You don’t need to wing it. Even if they were in a dime defense, a ten yard out on a roll out works fine. If you can’t trust your qb to hit a wide open receiver or chuck it ten rows in the stands, then you probably don’t deserve to win the game. Murray has proven inconsistent, but he has also proven that he can drill a 47 yard field goal.
I guess I would have liked to see a safe pass on first down. See what the defense was doing (playing soft, etc) on that final drive.
by KenOKeefeIfuckinghateyou on Nov 15, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
"Winging it" seems to have worked pretty well
for us so far this year. Nonetheless, we had a timeout. If I were KOK, I would have taken a page out of the D’Antonio book and drawn up a hook-n-ladder.
Even the old hail mary wouldn’t have hurt us in the final seconds. Our D was stout all night. No way we’d have given up any yards in the final second of the regular session.
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
6 games with top 25 teams on right now
ABC and the ESPNs manage to show the 2 I’m least interested in plus a non-top25 game.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Why we lost in no particular order
1. Daniel Murray
2. Trey Stross
3. #33 Tarp — two big touchdowns because he thought he was playing nose tackle
4. Overtime Play Calling
5. Decision to out-Tressel Jim Tressel; You have all the momentum in the world, 50 seconds, one timeout, a chance to go to the Rose Bowl in a stadium where you’ve won once in the last 11 years…You go for it. You play for OT if you’re at home, not if youre on the road.
by KenOKeefeIfuckinghateyou on Nov 14, 2009 7:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You guys are insane and watch too much NFL
whatever…
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
I'd put Stross over Murray
Stross took 4 points off the board with one drop, made the FG Murray missed significantly harder with another, and mix in a 3rd for good measure.
Murray shanked a easy FG and gave OSU good field position once.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 14, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
#3.
I saw the same…Tarp was out of position a shit-ton. He left his responsibility…which all resulted in a huge plays.
I'd rather have Murray when the game is on the line...
then Trey “/tears/ you hit me in the numbers, real fuckin hard” Stross.
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
I think Trey Stoss has enough pressure on him without this shit
He knows he fucked up. He’s played pretty g’dam good all year for us. I’m pissed about the loss too, but I’m not about to throw a kid under the bus who has worked harder for this team, then 99% of the people on this board have ever worked for anything in their fucking lives!
I like to joke around and shit, but this kid has worked his ass off through injuries and dropped a couple of passes. You wish you could do for Hawkeye football what this kid has done.
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 14, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not condemning the kid to hell
I’m just saying he had some costly drops tonight.
by KenOKeefeIfuckinghateyou on Nov 14, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed, but those drops...
cost us roses. He knows it, we know it.
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think my tickets are non-refundable... Ehh...
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
or if you have eligibility left, try out for the team.
I hear walk-on can do okay
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 14, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t really think Stross adds too much when McNutt, DJK, and Meoki are on the field. He certainly isn’t a possession receiver so why play him unless we’re in a five wide set.
I’m not one of those “moral victory, I’m so happy we hung with the big boys” type fans but after the effort we witnessed tonight, if the Iowa Basketball team loses to the roadrunners tomorrow at home—I will fire bomb old capitol mall.
by KenOKeefeIfuckinghateyou on Nov 14, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
do NOT agree on 4 and 5
GUys…our FB laid an egg on a key block that cost us the Robinson -6 yards. If he makes that block, we go for 15 yards. You’ll see it somewhere. He totally whiffed. It was last week again. Execution makes all coaches look like geniuses.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
lack of execution makes them look like fools.
As usual, no one is giving KOK credit for his 4th quarter play calling. With a new QB he has never been in a game like this with.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
A BCS At-Large Bid is still within our reach.
Here me out here: Assuming we defeat the Minnescrotum Golden Gonads next Saturday, we’ll sport a 10-2 record, and we’ll have the tiebreaker over both of the other 10-2 possibilities in conference play (PENN SCHTAAATE and ’Sconny).
Also assuming the NC will be the SEC champ vs. Texas, the at-large bids for the BCS will go in the following order: Sugar, Fiesta, Sugar again, Fiesta again. (BCS Games that lose their automatics to the NC get the first picks, will be Sugar for SEC, then Fiesta for Big 12; Auto qualifiers for ACC and Big East go to Orange; Big 10 and Pac 10 of course to Rose).
Picking will be the Sugar undoubtedly taking the SEC runner-up first, then the Fiesta could take anyone who they want. By rule an undefeated TCU has to be admitted, but they could be left as THE LAST pick, which would be the Fiesta’s second. That leaves two true “at large” bids:
- Notre dame, if they win out, could be one of them, but I doubt they pull 9-3 off
- The ACC is a train wreck – no second team there
- The Big 12 after Texas is a stew of mediocrity – doubtful
- Assuming Cincy beats Pitt on Dec.5, Pitt would also be 10-2, but I don’t think they travel well enough to be picked over Iowa.
- If Oregon beats ’Zona in two weeks, then Arizona would be 9-3 at best, with a loss to Iowa. If ’Zona beats Oregon, the Ducks would at best be 9-3 as well.
I am convinced the four non-automatics would go to, in order:
1) SEC Runner-Up to the Sugar
2) Iowa to the Fiesta
3) Cincy (if a loss to Pitt), Pac-10 #2 or TCU to Sugar
4) TCU (required if skipped by Sugar), or else Pitt, Pac 10 #2, maybe Big 12 #2, or Boise State to Fiesta.
(Point being, Iowa’s the best traveling of what’s left. We’ll get picked second, I am sure.)
But we need to get by MinneSOHHHDUH first. That’s all I’m going to say at this time.
"Oh no, don't do that, don't do that. If you shoot him, you'll just make him mad." - The Waco Kid
Forgot one thing:
The pollsters hate Iowa. They’ll probably have a 3-loss USC team ahead of us.
"I am so proud to be your coach." -Paul Rhoads
Stanford into top 10!
/sarc
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Tiebreakers don't matter for bowl selection except for the auto
Penn State or Wisconsin could get selected over you. In fact, you may have a hard time being eligible (top 14 in the BCS) thanks to idiot pollsters.
I didn't say either should
Given that both of them lost to the only two really strong teams they’ve played, there’s no reason for them to be ahead of you in the polls or computers. But “reason” has little to do with it when they’re tallying up the coaches’ votes.
I hope Iowa does go, if the Big Ten gets a second representative (which we might just out of lack of candidates). You guys are our best chance not to get our asses handed to us in a second BCS game. But you’ll never go broke betting on stupidity in the polls.
Classic Ferentz with a New Twist
Yeah, he’s painfully conservative. Yes, he makes us scream obscenities at the television and leaves us scratching our heads. But you can’t argue with his record. The man wins games, and he wins them consistently. Usually by being painfully conservative, playing a close game, and forcing the other offense to make “the big mistake,” but it worked 9 times this year. That’s damn good results.
There’s a reason that professional teams come sniffing around Iowa City every year. Yeah, we all wish that for once in his life, he’d have taken the gamble…. but the man plays the percentages and always will, and it’s how you win football games.
"I am so proud to be your coach." -Paul Rhoads
Percentages...interesting
you have one time out, on your own 32 (not terrible field position), if you score you win the game. Let’s go to overtime with a defense that was clearly tired and where OSU will get the ball as well. Percentages tell me to try the win the game in regulation.
by KenOKeefeIfuckinghateyou on Nov 14, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
I’m with Stoops on this. Tressel was NOT going to let Pryor pass in ot. He was going to run and make Iowa’s D stop it. Short field and what not. He liked his Ds chance, the forced short field, and the opportunity to score 7. Robinson was running well, Mandenberg had a couple of real shaky throws in Iowa’s TD scoring driving. Too much shit going on to put on Vandenberg, who played a fucking hell of a game, but KF didn’t trust a hurry up in his hands. I’m not about the moral victory; they lost, fucking hell. They gameplanned really well, and OUGHT to have won in regulation by 3, but for the Murray gag.
Murray's kick beat PSU last year...
I’ll put it on Murray to win in any situation.
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously, It could be worse.
You could have this guy.
"I am so proud to be your coach." -Paul Rhoads
I know we ...
are gonna have a war machine next year (I hate the sports as war thing, but I can’t think of another descriptor), but I don’t want to wait for next year.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 14, 2009 7:41 PM CST reply actions
Amen to that...
the blog has been a veritable cornucopia of finger pointing the last two hours. Not that it matters in the end.
It’s all venting. Last week I clicked off and stayed away until Tuesday. I’m really disappointed. but not as all out fucking pissed as last week.
I'm more mad about that game this week....
because Vandy seem to click so well with the receivers in just a week. If he had had any practice with the first team before last week…..we wouldn’t be discussing a possible BCS bowl and be looking at a probable one instead.
I hope we win the National Championship next year and that should be our expectation
by KenOKeefeIfuckinghateyou on Nov 14, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
Let's worry about this year first
Then worry about winning each game as it happens next year. We don’t have the history for that sort of expectation.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 14, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
LSU trailing LA Tech
13-10 at half
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Saw that
I think LSU fans will burn Miles and replace him with Barry Switzer or someone
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe
Brian is probably trying to crush that sort of talk, of course
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
If Iowa turns into the next Michigan
Let’s keep it Iowan in attitude.? Lets not be dickhead douchebags who just expect, nay demand a championship every year or the season is a bust.
"I am so proud to be your coach." -Paul Rhoads
If that post makes no sense
It’s because I edited it three times and didn’t proofread. Whoops.
"I am so proud to be your coach." -Paul Rhoads
Amen ...
Better days are coming. I believe that. But one of the best things about being a Hawk fan is that we’re the Animal House of the Big 10. We’re having fun (mostly) no matter what.
Let’s keep it that way.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 14, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed...
I hope that hawkeye fans never let their expectations on how the team should do surpass their passion for the Hawkeye Football. sappy but its how I feel.
by Argulor on Nov 14, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Unlike Michigan, we always have wrestling to...
brag about. It means way more than college hockey or men’s gymnastics…
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Rec'd
nicely put
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 14, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Amen, brother.
I love it/them no matter what.
by Bucketochicken on Nov 14, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
scores
LA Tech 13, (#8) LSU 10
(#2) Bama 17, Miss St 0
(#17) Zona 10, Cal 9
(#4) TCU 35, (#16) Utah 7
(#19) OK St 7, Texas Tech 0
(#12) Pitt 3, ND 0
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Cal 15 Zona 10, TCU 35, Utah 14
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 14, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Ferentz said of his decision to not go for it on final possession in regulation
“I’ve done enough stupid things this season.” Said 50 yards minimum was needed with one time out and a top 5 defense nationally. I agree. He would have been roasted if Mandenberg threw an INT or fumbled and they got a cheapy. That people are going to focus on that really is disappointing. I never had an issue as I was watching and in fact was relieved.
As for next year…we have a ton of juniors but we are built for a longer haul than just next year:
Freshmen & Sophomores
Offense:
Wegher
Robinson
Hampton
Mandenberg
Reiff
Davis
McNutt
Defense:
Binns
Greenwood
Prater
Sash
Lowe
We are not going anywhere…Ferentz has this team STACKED for a multi-year run.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Don't forget Weinke...
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
And I think we'll get a pretty decent recruiting class in 2010.
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
baring early entries 9 returning starters on each side next year
Calloway and Eubanks leave on O, Angerer and Edds on D.
Even if Bulaga and Spievey come out (not likely imo) 8 on each side ain’t bad.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 14, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
forgot Moeaki and Stross
but considering Stross got benched today I’ll call it 5 seniors.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 14, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
And Dace.
I know he’s been out the last couple weeks, but he played his ass off the first eight weeks of the season this year and my understanding is that he should be back in time for the bowl game.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 15, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Greenwood is a Jr.
Other than that, yeah. It’d be nice to see some more lineman on that list, but we’ve brought in some good recruits there, and Gettis got a lot of good experience this year.
Reiff looks like he can man the LT spot very well down the road
and if little Ferentz stays out of trouble we should have a center.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 14, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
I love Reiff
I said earlier, he’s been our 2nd best lineman all year aside from Dace. Granted, some of that is because Bulaga hasn’t been himself until very recently, but Reiff is legit. He’s a 1st rounder unless something goes very very wrong. Can’t believe he’s a true freshman who didn’t start playing O-line until the very end of last season.
Holy Crap...
I knew we would have a lot coming back next year, but I didn’t realize how many were sophs. It feels like McNutt and Sash are juniors or seniors, but they are in fact sophs.
I saw in a later comment that Greenwood is a junior. I must admit, I liked what Conklin did for us this year (although he is a senior). I wouldn’t mind it if we found a better safety to push Greenwood off to being a nickel back. That will probably depend on how well Bernstein comes back.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 14, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't David Cato a soph?
He’s played really well when he’s seen the field. Problem is that he’s behind Tyler MF Sash. It’ll be interesting to see what the coaches to do try to get him on the field next year.
by Abbas_Cincinnatus on Nov 15, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
I think he is a soph
But so is Sash, so it’s entirely conceivable that he could be blocked from ever significant playing time his entire career by TMFS. There was a rumor last week or so that Cato was openly displeased with his lack of playing time.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
And what the next sentence should have been
was “So why not do one more now?” I am so pissed off at him and I was at the time, not in hindsight. I saw a group of players that left it all on the field and a coach without the sack to go for a championship. Fucking pathetic.
I don't know if anyone here's watching UFC on Spike...
But Delgado just got KTFO, hard.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
Out ...
before he hit the ground!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 14, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Ouch... He's not getting up for awhile...
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, and Winner went ahead and dropped a few bombs on him while he was out.
He looked so peaceful too.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 14, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Why I can't watch anymore
The recent research on concussions has killed boxing and UFC for me. Football obviously has a problem there too, but it’s not quite the same and I liked football more to start with, so I can engage in some cognitive dissonance there.
You would have had no problem with the last fight then
I think Kang took a dive for the hometown crowd, that just didn’t look right.
by Brock Sampson on Nov 14, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
UFC
probably has less of a brain injury problem than boxing. The fights are much shorter and there are a lot fewer head shots per round. Plus, those big ole boxing gloves means more bell’s rung and fewer knock outs.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
I won't argue with that
Doesn’t mean UFC isn’t also pretty bad though. There’s plenty of scary-looking knockouts there too. I used to love that shit, but it just makes me sad now.
These guys are grownups making a living. They're not forced to pick this as a career.
If you can’t enjoy it, fair enough, but there are dozens of careers that are hazardous to longterm health and I don’t see anyone trying to stop them.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 14, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say I wanted to stop it, I said I didn't want to watch it
Dudes suffering brain injuries with horrific potential long-term consequences isn’t entertaining to me. If they want to do it, that’s fine, I just feel bad for them and don’t want to see it.
ok, but you watch football, so I really can't understand your argument.
Agree to disagree.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 14, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
I recognize that there's a ton of congnitive dissonance there, and admitted as much
Football makes me uncomfortable plenty of times too, but it’s ingrained enough in my life at this point that I have a hard time letting go.
Nice to have 2 good QBs!
Wouldn’t it be nice next year if we can big enough leads – assuming Stanzi comes back 100 percent – for Vandenberg to get lots of PT?
I love both of them, but man, the arm that Vandenberg has makes me feel like we won’t have to give up on the passing game in windy conditions.
by Leftcoast Hawk on Nov 14, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Dr. Saturday ...
just called our Hawks “a zombie team with the most steadfast refusal to die in recent memory.”
I can live with that.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 14, 2009 8:17 PM CST reply actions
+1
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'm so damned proud of these Iowa Hawkeyes!
My preseason prediction was 6-5 going into the bowl season. Week after week, these magnificient bastards proved me wrong. I still believe that these kids can do whatever they put their minds to. I’m so proud to be a Hawkeye! You did great guys. You nearly won a game after the wizards of smart wrote you off. You weren’t suppose to be in the stadium! But you showed up, you gave those g-damn buckeye faithful a heartattack and reason to fear the Hawks in the future. Congratulations, boys. I fucking love you all!
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:26 PM CST reply actions
My bad... I meant to say 6-5 at this point of the season...
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Most years, we'd trade away our virgin little sisters for 9 wins
I’m hoping we wallop the Goofs next Saturday too, and I’m disappointed, but we didn’t get the shit knocked out of us in the Shoe, either. The aftergame comments I saw on TV really didn’t give the Bucks that many accolades.
We still have to take care of business against Arizona, though, next year before we can start dreaming big. They’re going to be tough in their crib in the desert.
A good case for Advanced NFL stats
I appreciate that the Hawks played an outstanding game and I don’t want to take anything away from that, and I realize that if we had executed better we still could have won, but all that said, I have a feeling going to overtime was a very conservative choice. Advanced NFL stats studies these kind of situations for the NFL and I wish they would do the same for this game. My thinking is this: overtime is a coin-flip, so that’s worth 0 wins to us on average. If we had tried to make a drive in the last minute, 3 things could happen:
1) we throw an interception/turn it over and OSU kicks a field goal = we lose
2) we drive and kick a field goal = we win
3) our drive fails and we go to over-time = coin-flip.
Since 3 gets us nothing on average, then as long as we think the chances of #2 and #3 is greater than #1, we should do it. So Ferentz was saying that he thought the odds of a a turnover AND a last-second field goal by OSU were greater than 50%. That’s a good example of being more afraid of what you might lose than excited by what you might win. I mean, say we try to drive and the worst happens — we throw a pick six. What’s the result? We lose. What was the result anyway? We lost. A fantastic effort, but man, we were already gambling with house money — take a shot.
by horsecow on Nov 14, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I was told there'd be no math
But yours is wrong, since in college, you are guaranteed a possession in OT, unlike the NFL.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 14, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
Uh, no
He just has to be convinced that #1 > #2 in order to believe going conservative is the right call. (#3 isn’t any improvement on taking a knee.) Which I still am not certain I agree with, but it’s somewhat reasonable.
Oops, but....
On the first point, whether you are guaranteed a possession in OT doesn’t matter — I meant “coin flip” in the sense that OT doesn’t favor either team, it’s basically a 50/50 proposition.
On the second point, you’re right. That’s my mistake. Still, I think it’s pretty clear that the probability of #2 is greater than #1. Advanced NFL stats has a nifty win probability calculator (http://wp.advancednflstats.com/winprobcalc1.php) and, although it’s based on NFL stats for downs and distance, I thought the results it spat out for Iowa’s situation were interesting:
Win Probability: 0.58
Expected Points: +1.0
First Down Prob: 0.67
TD Prob: 0.20
FG Prob: 0.12
All this says is that, given the time we had left and our field position, NFL teams in our position have a 58% chance of winning. Better than 50%, which is what overtime is. Take it with a grain of salt, as it’s based on the NFL, but it’s some evidence that going for it in regulation would have been a good choice.
I don't think there was a hawk fan out there at the start of the season that wouldn't be thrilled
to be going into the Minny game with a legit shot at a BCS berth and I doubt there would be many that would have thought it was possible to be in that spot if you told them Jewel wouldn’t play a down. A-Rob would miss several weeks, Wegher would miss the OSU game, Brinson would play one game and on top of it Stanzi would miss the last 2.5 games.
Nothing to do now but stomp the LOLphers and head to Orlando or a BCS at large bid.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
I fuckin' hate Jesse Palmer...
OSU’s defensive was too much for the Iowa Hawkeyes tonight? Seriously, who is typing those words onto his teleprompter? Was he talking about the overtime period? Last time I checked, tOSU gave up several 10+ yd runs, got burnt by a RS FR QB on several occassions, and FR Riley Reiff bitchmade tOSU’s #OMFG d-line all night… Fuck the bachelor…
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:39 PM CST reply actions
He's like Ron Burgundy...
He says whatever is written.
If he can read, that is.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 14, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
He was pretty complementary to Vandy too.
Honestly, guys, isn’t there enough to be pissed off about in this world without flipping about every little perceived slight we get from ESPN?
Please if you want to impart worldly perspective
don’t come to an Iowa Sports blog following a loss in OT to Ohio State for a trip to the Rose Bowl.
by KenOKeefeIfuckinghateyou on Nov 14, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think people complaining about Jesse Palmer qualifies as discourse
in need of improvement
by KenOKeefeIfuckinghateyou on Nov 14, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'll join in.
That’s the third writer here to tell you that he is right and you are wrong.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Dude just got his mouthpiece knocked out.
WOOOOO UFC FOR FREE
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
HE HAS A BULLDOG TATTOOED ON HIS CHEST DO NOT FIGHT HIM!!!
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 14, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Um...hello?
You’re missing out on Pitt 10 – Notre Dame 3…
What channel is the fighting and the punching on again?
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
No, not volleyball. Fighting.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
I can't believe I'm saying this
Go Pitt!
Well…Go team playing ND!
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 14, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
My one worry now...
….is that this loss will put the boys into a tailspin, to have come so close to winning and then losing. And we will lose to Minny.
We cannot let that happen. If you’re at Kinnick next Saturday, you’ve got to make that place ELECTRIC. When they introduce Stross, you cheer your fucking guts out because he’s FAMILY and you don’t fucking boo family even when they’ve made a mistake or two.
You cheer your fucking guts out for what those guys did today, every damn one of them, and then when they gut-stomp the Gophers you rush the fucking field if you want to, because this bunch of guys have left it out on the field every goddamn damn, didn’t quit one goddamn time on you, so you don’t fucking quit on them.
55-0 is going to be too close for me next Saturday, I want to 70-point those Goofy motherfuckers just to prove that we belong in the Fiesta Bowl.
Damn but I’m proud of these kids.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
Word... Stross still wears the Black and Gold
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
I concur
And for some reason we’ve played worse at home than on the road this year. We better come ready to play and the fans better be up.
by KenOKeefeIfuckinghateyou on Nov 14, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
I have this terrible feeling that people are going to boo Trey
And that it’s going to lead to me getting in a fight.
I hope not
but drunk students are dumb
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 14, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Well, if someone boos
and they’re in the student section….hit them once for me.
Ok, so I'm guilty of being too critical of Trey tonight...
perhaps its the booze… I’d never boo the kid, though. Iowa fans wouldn’t boo any of our players. I believe that we have a little more class than that.
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
Jake Christensen vehemently disagrees.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
HS, FTW
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
He may be a retarded cornerback
but he’s OUR retarded cornerback.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
ugh, I hated that handsy fucker
never booed him though
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 14, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
That's the best way to put it
Like hell anybody else can criticize Stross. But yes, we will rip on him this week. I hope he gets the chance and redeems himself next week.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 14, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
Generally I agree with the sentiment
I draw the line at Adam Shada. I’m willing to admit that this makes me a terrible person.
Just watch...
some NFL. Everybody gets a case of the dropsies at some point. I saw Dallas Clark get a border-line case against my Niners a couple weeks ago. And then, a week later, he comes back with 14 catches and 120 yards.
I am just asking Stross not to let his drop-itus get as bad as Ted Ginn’s is. That guy is still dropping crap all over the place every time the Dolphins play. Of course, he is also returning random kicks for TDs, also.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 14, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Yes sir
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 14, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Great post regarding Stross
I’m not really worried about a let down. If anything I’m worried Brester might do something crazy after his team gets quadrapleigalized next week. We really shouldn’t feel that bad about the Hawkeyes loss this week. Minnesota should be the ones regretting the Hawkeye loss.
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 14, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
I've been skeptical of BCS busters before.
But TCU looks damn impressive. They are just murderizing everyone they play right now.
And those uniforms are… something. I’m not sure what, exactly. But they are something to behold.
TCU will have a hell of a time getting into a BCS game
their home attendance is low and they won’t draw a TV crowd. Boise State will put butts in seats and I think would draw decent ratings based on the legend of their Fiesta Bowl appearance. I’d watch again and I know there is no way they can live up to that standard. Cincy I have no opinion on.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
TCU is way more of a lock than BSU at this point
They’re going to be way higher in the BCS, Boise’s SOS is awful. I think they’ll probably both get in though, just because there aren’t very many other good options this year.
If they finish ahead of Boise State in the BCS
then they will go to a BCS game. The team that finishes highest gets the automatic berth. Boise State has zero hope of jumping them if both finish undefeated.
I saw those uniforms...
on Gameday this morning, and it did not look awful under sun light. They look pretty crappy under the lights for a night game, though.
They claimed the pants (and helmet) pattern is “frog-skin.” I thought that was too much of an Oregon-like gimmick. Then, tonight I saw a, how-shall-we-say, “well-endowed” TCU cheerleader. And I wished her shirt was made of that tight frog-skin material.
By the way, Oregon went black out tonight. Black pants, jerseys, and helmets (with a yellow O). Pretty ugly.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 14, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Stross was a junior?
Look, the kid had a bad day. Chances are the next to Danny Murray, he probably felt the loneliest of anyone on the team on the flight home.
I feel really bad for him
He seems strong enough to shake it off though. Maybe the team can collective bathe in the blood of an SEC team?
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 14, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
collectively. i wish there was an edit feature.
proof reading sucks
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 14, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
This fight will be sick, Hardy needs to be shut down, hard.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
As a rule I root against lazy mohawks.
This would qualify.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
Why, for that haircut?
Because I think they both are violating international law in that respect.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
He is a shit-talker who has never fought anyone of record, yet he acts like a god.
Just needs to get bossed.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 14, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
So he's the Boise State of UFC?
I can get behind him getting concussed.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
Of course, he's clipped Swick twice now so it's not looking like he'll get his lesson tonight.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 14, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
I guess so.
Hardy claims he’s a “fighter” and GSP’s just an “athlete” so I’d like to see GSP fucking destroy him.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 14, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
I hate GSP.
So there.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 14, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
You're crazy.
And must be a Matt Hughes fan. It’s the only explanation. His absolute destruction of Hughes in their last two fights is really the only reason anyone could possibly “hate” GSP.
by The Mexican't on Nov 15, 2009 1:12 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe he just hates anyone from America's Hat.
Particularly those dastardly French Canadians who talk politely, dress nicely, and prepare incredibly well for fights. What scoundrels.
I root(ed) for Hughes.
Although, I didn’t really watch it much back in his hay-day. I liked Hughes because he was once a wrestler, he trained in or near Iowa, and he seemed pretty down-to-earth (although later on, he sounded a bit cocky).
I’ve watched more UFC lately. The reasons I don’t like GSP are below, and are in no particular order.
1) He is French Canadian. It is difficult for me to like someone who talks like that.
2) I saw a pre-show about his training for the BJ Penn fight, and he didn’t look like as much of a douche as Penn, but it was a close second.
3) He seems to have won a lot of his RECENT matches on decisions (albeit, unanimous ones) or stoppages, or whatnot. Maybe this shows he is versatile, but if people are going to call you the best “pound-for-pound” fighter, it would be nice if you knocked more dudes out.
4) He has beaten some likeable (IMO) dudes. Hughes, Serra, Alves. Maybe it shouldn’t bother me, but it does.
5) He won his first title in his 14th UFC match. It seems to me that, with as often as these guys fight these days, it should maybe take you a bit longer to take the title. But, this might just be the anti-Dana White sentiment in me.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 15, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
This is probably a futile exercise, since I can't imagine either of us will change our minds...
but, hell, that’s why Al Gore invented the interwebs, right?
1) He is French Canadian. It is difficult for me to like someone who talks like that.
Irrational, but OK.
2) I saw a pre-show about his training for the BJ Penn fight, and he didn’t look like as much of a douche as Penn, but it was a close second.
I saw that same special and didn’t get that impression at all, but hey.
3) He seems to have won a lot of his RECENT matches on decisions (albeit, unanimous ones) or stoppages, or whatnot. Maybe this shows he is versatile, but if people are going to call you the best "pound-for-pound" fighter, it would be nice if you knocked more dudes out.
He wins and absolutely dominates dudes (guys who were the unquestioned top contenders to his belt, no less), but that isn’t enough? He’s just not a KO artist. Also, there are far more stoppages than true knockouts in MMA; if you’re demanding the latter, you’re going to go home disappointed quite often, I think.
4) He has beaten some likeable (IMO) dudes. Hughes, Serra, Alves. Maybe it shouldn’t bother me, but it does.
Whereas I’ve found Serra to be a somewhat unlikeable New York loudmouth and Hughes to be a bit full of himself and obnoxious. Again — different strokes, perhaps.
5) He won his first title in his 14th UFC match. It seems to me that, with as often as these guys fight these days, it should maybe take you a bit longer to take the title. But, this might just be the anti-Dana White sentiment in me.
I don’t even understand what you’re trying to argue there. He won the title after he had already won his previous four UFC matches and he won it by decisively beating the unquestioned long-time champion in the division — how had he not earned it?
Also: at the end of the day, this is a personality-driven sport, so there’s never going to be any sort of regimented progression of competition like the tournaments or playoffs you have in other sports. Personalities are secondary to the system in things like tennis or football; obviously the people in charge of those sports would love to have the Colts play the Cowboys in the Super Bowl or Nadal play Federer in every final, but they can’t just make it so — those teams/players have to win out through the established system of playoffs or tournaments. Sports like MMA or boxing are a completely different animal and will likely always be that way.
Fair points, all of them.
Ross. I was just explaining my mentality on why I don’t like him. It might be a bit like how you don’t care for Hughes.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 16, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah? Well I hate Captain America.
So there.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 15, 2009 1:19 AM CST up reply actions
Like I said, I don't watch anymore
But I remember hating the hell out of that guy. He was crazy boring. I’m convinced the only reason people like him is because he’s old and has been around forever.
That's no way to talk about Paterno!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
Norse...
you talking about GSP, or Hughes, or who?
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 15, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Couture
I assume that’s who Jebus was referring to when he said Captain America. Hughes was kinda boring too, but at least he was hilarious in interviews and stuff to make up for it.
Thanks...
I forgot Randy had that moniker.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 15, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Stop watching porn.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
I prefer ...
To call it a Tressel-shot, or a Fitzgerald handshake.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 14, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
Arizona is in the process of losing to a terrible Cal team
nooooo our SOS.
Seasons not over, but I'm bored and can't drink until I've got my workout in (have to drive to the gym)
Of contributors this year
Seniors
Calloway
Moeaki
Eubanks
Stross
Dace
Conklin
Angerer
Edds
Juniors
Murray
Donahue
Stanzi
DJK
Spievey
Sandeman
Pakibomb
Cheny
Greenwood
Tarp
Morse
Hunter
Ballard
Vandervelde
Schulze
Bulaga
Reisner
Clayborn
Klug
Sophs
McNutt
Sash
Lowe
Jewel
Praeter
Cato
Leppert
Binns
Daniels
Fresh
Castillo
Wegher
Davis
Vandenberg
A-Rob
Reiff
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
A lot of studs on that list that aren't Seniors
A lot to look forward to. If I was a player or coach or even fan of another Big 10 team, that list would give me pause. Especially if I had a 2010 schedule handy.
by HawkeyeRecon on Nov 14, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
Here
Same teams as this years but it’s Eastern IL and Ball State instead of UNI & Ark State.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
Will Christensen still be there?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
He’s a senior this year.
(And thank god for that. I would not want to deal with that sideshow.)
Would have been dumb
However, I would have enjoyed being on the other end of Jake Christensen’s Endless Parade of Wormburners and Overthrows for once.
Yeah.
The Jake Christensen Experience is one I’m just happy to move on from. That was one of the uglier times in recent memory for Iowa fandom, so I’m glad to just put that behind us.
I enjoyed his game against Penn State this year
I came back from out tailgating to get more beer, flipped on the game just to see, immediately saw him hold onto the ball for way too long and get killed, and giggled like an idiot for like a minute straight.
Nope
He’s a fifth-year senior, so he’s gone. Signor should be there, though.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
That's the best part
It flips, so it’s PSU/Wisky/MSU/OSU at home, Zona and UM on the road. The whole thing builds for 2010.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
No game worries me more than Zona on the road.
Objectively, I know the results of games years in the past have no bearing on that one… but still.
Terrified of that
Iowa traveling west=DEATH
Shall we ...
Pack torches for Evanston, or just descend on the stadium on locusts?
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 14, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
after descending like locusts
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 14, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yes!
+1
But then we need a Kinnick South and Kinnick West.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 14, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
To get Kinnick West, you must play Nebraska again
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
They'd rather just SAY they'd beat us and leave it at that.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
I really wish PSU would schedule them again
Grr
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Basically, yeah
And then talk about how polite they are.
I really cannot stand Nebraska fans.
C'Mon ...
This is a layup.
Kinnick West is in Pasadena.
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 14, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but you haven't won there in a while
This must be earned. Like Kinnick East in State College.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t think we can claim ownership over a place we haven’t managed to win at in, um, fifty years?
That's fair at this point
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
All in good time
Although Minneapolis is the farthest west, then Kinnick. That’s OK, we don’t want to be greedy.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
Is that just from the 2 deeps?
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 14, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
went down the roster class by class
and used anyone that I remember seeing on the field
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 14, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
missed vandevelde - senior.
So we got holes to fill on the line next year. But if they fill in like Reiff.
I thought he was a junior.
Started as a freshman for no reason in 2007, yes?
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
I have him on there as a junior
pretty sure that’s what he is
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 14, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Alabama 31 - Miss St. 3
That’s all for that one, folks
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
Mark Ingram: 19 carries, 149 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 kick-ass postgame interview
I like this kid, and I wish we had him.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
We were soooo close
Not that I think we’re going to have a problem with RB in the recent future, but still. He’s ridiculous. If an offensive player has to win the Heisman (and they shouldn’t because the best player is motherfucking Suh), I hope it’s him
Hey, money talks, bud.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 14, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Pitt's looking more like the Steelers than the Panthers...
think Cincy has a chance against them on Heinz Field?
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 9:09 PM CST reply actions
I like Musburger hyping Wannstedt
Hillarious
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe it's the PSU fan in me, but I really don't think Pitt looks that good right now
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
It is, because they're solid
I get the feeling they’re going to embarrass Cinci, but I certainly could be wrong.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, they're solid
But I wonder if this is partly just a product of ND’s mediocrity.
They’re probably more talented than Cincy, but Wannstedt is Wannstedt. Their schedule so far is almost as unimpressive as ours.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
Dave Wannstedt
Dave Wannstedt
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Does this mean that USC could still play in the Rose Bowl?
I think I’d actually perfer USC to beat the hell outta tOSU. No?
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
No
It’ll be Oregon, or, if there’s some sort of miracle, Stanford.
Wouldn't be that miraculous, though.
Oregon still has to play @ Arizona and home against Oregon State. Those will be tough games. If they finish tied, Stanford obviously has the head-to-head tiebreaker.
Although now I notice
that Oregon State is also sitting there with two conference losses. So it could wind up being a real clusterfuck.
Didn't realize they still had Arizona left
That’ll be a tough one. I don’t think OSU is that good, but I guess it’s a rivalry game and all that.
Patrick Duffy Leg needs to work on his team's tackling
TD Pitt. 20-3.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
It doesn't apply to Bill Stull.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
How the hell did Bill Stull get awesome, by the way?
I distinctively remember him being terrible. And it’s not like he’s some young guy who just needed to learn the system, he’s a fucking fifth year senior in his third year as a starter.
Were you watching earlier when the announcers discussed his parents staying away from the stands because they hate to hear the boo birds?
While this may just be an example of the kind of stuff that some (cough cough) PSU fans use to mock Pitt, perhaps there are still some issues there
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not watching at all
Games blacked-out for me, I can’t even watch it on 360. I was just speaking generally, he’s been one of the best QBs in the country this year.
I know, it's just funny
Musburger was disgusted
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Although I’m watching Oregon/ASU now. Love Oregon’s offense.
I looked at the coverage map...
for TTech/OkSt or ND/Pitt. Eastern Iowa (except Dubuque and the Quad cities) and the C Bluffs area get TT/OSU, and the rest of Iowa gets ND/Pitt. I have no idea why that is, because I figured the Ames area and everything near Nebraska would want the Big 12 game, and Eastern Iowa with all its Catholics would want the ND game. Also, Iowa is about the only state that was jigsawed into like 3 or 4 different pieces.
Here is the map (they are toward the bottom of this webpage):
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=coveragemaps2009
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 15, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
That only applies to offense, obvs
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Umm
I have Auburn-UGA on. Apparently someone is injured. The stadium is quiet and the announcers aren’t saying anything. Creepy as SHIT.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
that's never good
I hope whoever it is is ok
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 14, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of UFC
Return of Blount on ESPN right now
Gutsy call by Weis
4th and 1 from his own 40, one man pattern deep on play action for 35 yards.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
That was great for me, man
I dislike Pitt, so it’s fun that way.
But I also like that Jimmy looked kinda noodle armed there. Weak? Sure. But still.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
I am also in Okie St-TT TV territory, inexplicably since I am in an area surrounded by Catholics...
….on all sides, and apparently Catholics like ND more than Okie St. Who makes these decisions is beyond me, but they’re idiots, whoever they are.
The phrase “Gutsy call by Weis” can be subtitled “Stupid call by Weis” since the man is continually making moronic 4th down calls in his own territory. I think he’s gone at the end of the season, which is a shame for all who dislike ND football, since Weis is priceless and sure to lose at least 1-2 games per year from use of his “genius.”
Am I rambling?
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Nov 14, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
My favorie Weis play ever
When he ran a QB draw with Pickles on 3rd and 5 against Michigan.
Jackass
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
The ref just called illegal formation on "77 White"
You know what that demands:
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
I just want to know if they're jealous
about being left out of Nike’s “Pro Combat” uniform goofiness.
Their biggest booster owns Nike
Pretty sure they get an okay deal
What to do about announcers, commentators and "expert" analysts
From the moment Stanzi went down and the first words out of Griese’s mouth were “well, there’s no way Iowa can win now” I simply muted the TV. Did the same this week as soon as I heard Millen was doing the game. No ESPN updates or halftime breakdowns/predictions, no “Vandenberg shouldn’t be looking this good,” no Hang on Sloopy. Not even Dolph and Eddie. A silent ball game.
Weird at first, but then much more enjoyable because I watched the game and reacted to what was happening on the field and not by those who do not understand this Iowa team and their “next man in, 60 minute men” mentality.
My assignment for you next weekend is to do the same.
I would LOVE to have Dolph and Podallak streaming to my computer...
for free. But as things are, I have to deal with the idiots on ABC/ESPN/BTN.
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'll say this much fellas
I have never been more emotionally invested in a team that wasn’t Penn State. Especially when that non-PSU team dominates PSU. Anyway…
There’s no way that would have happened if I didn’t enjoy BHGP as much as I do. So, for that, cheers.
(now, I’ll take some good-natured shit from this if any BSDers see this. heh heh)
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
It's been good having you along for the ride, man
Penn State fans are the best in the Big Ten, and you guys are easily my second favorite team. I sorta wish we consistently ruined the season of someone else. Like Ohio State. Alas.
Do it next year!
They’ll probably be undefated and in the top 10 when you play them.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Remove the probably
I thought you played them earlier in the year than you will.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
There are some teams I dislike enough...
….that I DO genuinely get pissed off when they win (or, oppositely, I become GREAT fans of the team they’re playing). That’s almost like having another favorite team.
Case in point: Texas vs USC. I was going NUTS for the ’Horns that night, solely from my hatred for the Trojans.
But for me, aside from Iowa, there’s no other mistress in college FB. I genuinely DO like PSU (they’re my fall-back team in the B10), but I don’t get sick to my stomach watching them lose like I do Iowa. Then again, when they beat Miami in the 80’s to win the NC, I was BURSTING. Man that was a great night.
I guess what i’m saying is: hugs all around.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Nov 14, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
As long as we're on the subject
Penn State is my #4 team in the BXI. To be fair though, Iowa is #1 and spots 2 & 3 are empty.
And this is probably wrong but I kinda like USC. And it’s the fault of some former Iowa Hawkeye football players. In the mid 90’s I drove for Cambus. One day in the fall I sitting there on a layover at the office by Kinnick and some of the players got on the bus and a few of them made comments about my USC cap. I remember clearly “you oughta get an Iowa hat, show some pride”. It did not feel like typical ball busting, they sounded rather annoyed. I wanted to say “you oughta win some games”, but not being a moron I kept my mouth shut. The thing was, I bought that hat because I needed one for a restaurant job I had and when I went to the store I just grabbed that one because I was in a hurry and it looked kinda cool.
Anyway, that’s why ended up kinda liking USC.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
Next week
This loss sucked, but I am also very proud of this team. Vandenburg has balls of steel. I am not a gambler but I may place large bet on Iowa next week, I am positive we will destroy the Goophers next week.
This ND game becomes more awesome by the second
Musburger will soon sing a funeral poem for Weis or something
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
"And the long knives are out for Charlie Weis"
You don’t hear the Musky Burger cut to the core like that too often.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Indeed
I’m enjoying this one.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he should put a pic of Charlie on a boat....
….set it one fire and launch it into one of the Three Rivers, singing a Nordic dirge all the while.
Eeeeew. Bad mental image there.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Nov 14, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
Wow! Did anyone else see that run?
Pitt RB #28 is the man!
KOK, you might be a genius...
by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 14, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions
Just a freshman too
Not looking forward to seeing him in three years.
If he's really really good, we won't have to.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Nov 14, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
Whoops, just two years
So he’ll be a junior, which means he’ll still be around.
Everything could be different.
And the same. For example, we shut down McCoy pretty well, so a single good RB shouldn’t frighten us.
What should frighten us is the instability of the dollar in the face of accelerating trade deficits.
Because a strong d-line performace will have probably a minimal effect on that.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Nov 14, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
The world ends in 2012 anyway, so who gives a shit?
Emmerich’d
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
There is just no way that movie is any good
Not even my long-standing love John Cusak and things blowing me up is getting me to see it.
Ebert liked it.
I couldn’t believe it either.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
He's getting kinda soft in his final years
Unless Michael Bay is involved, in which case he’s right back in his rare “your movie is terrible and I will punish you for it” form.
As if on cue...
“@ebertchicago With so little time left before 2012, compound interest just doesn’t make sense.”
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
It was horrible horrible horrible and almost 3 hours long.
I walked out, which I’ve only done twice in my life.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Nov 14, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
True
I never saw it, but apparenly Emmerich named the mayor in Godzilla “Ebert.” Roger thought that was great, but was a little pissed he wasn’t squashed by the monster.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Hawkeye State on Nov 14, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
@ NorseHawk
Not even my long-standing love John Cusak and things blowing me…
Be careful what you write. LOL
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 15, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
Although I'll be honest, if John asked I might not say no
High Fidelity was that good.
I'll admit...
that I would at least buy Cusack a drink. I’d just like to talk to him about what it was like to spend time with Kate Beckinsale. Serendipity was pretty much a chick flick, but if you get to watch her for the better part of 2 hours, then it might be worth it.
“War Inc” pretty much sucked, though. I haven’t seen many of his other recent movies.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 15, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
This guy is higher than your avatar, Oops
I will rip out your ear hair with my cheese hot dog!
Excuse me for my bellicosity. And spelling. Bellicosity and spelling.
by Blackheartnopants on Nov 14, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, and Clausen's supposed to be the Heisman candidate over Tate?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 10:00 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, Tate is crazy
Clausen is really good though, as much as I hate to admit it.
Oh no, Touchdown Jesus has been resurrected
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
Spagetti Western
The Good: James V., did anyone expect him to have that kind of game? The “D”; another solid game. McNutt; I can see him playing on Sundays in a few years.
The Bad: Dropped balls, picks, missed FG, and penaltys.
The Ugly: Kick-off out of bounds + a penalty, the OT offense, and the sweater-vest (who can wear one in public, seriously)
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 14, 2009 10:01 PM CST reply actions
I really wonder if those OSU fans wearing sweater vests were among those booing at times.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Who put a quarter in the Irish?
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
I really don't know who to root for here
Screw it, ND.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 10:05 PM CST reply actions
That's futile, who am I kidding
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Did you see the Pitt fans wearing fake Wannstaches? Probably the same ones calling for his firing last year.
Gotta love fans.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry RR...
but I dislike ND more than PITT.
Can you tell me why PSU and PITT don’t play each other? Seems like a ready made rivalry.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 14, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Oh my, that's a long story
Gimme a little time
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
We dominated them after Paterno arrived
From 1966 to 1992 (last year as independent), they beat us 6 times. In the 80s, Paterno, seeing the power of TV contracts, and PSU tried to form an “Eastern Sports Confernce” featuring Maryland, Pitt, PSU, WVU, Temple, Cuse, Rutgers, BC. WVU and Temple supported us, but Pitt and Syracuse acted like vindictive little babies and torpedoed it (with support from Maryland and some other schools). This pissed Paterno off and led to us joining the Big Ten. Paterno was also pissed off because Pitt made PSU fans buy some stupid ticket package deal if they wanted to watch the game in the Burgh.
After we joined the Big Ten, we played Pitt again in 97, 98, 99, and 2000. We stopped playing them because we want a 2-for-1 type deal. Pitt doesn’t think that’s fair. We don’t think they’re worth a home and home because the season they’re having now is not very usual for them, Pitt being terrible for many years. Basically, both schools are kinda acting silly.
Frankly, I don’t care about Pitt. Some PSU fans do, and quite a few want to play them every year. But unless Wanny can recruit well from this year on, Pitt really isn’t on our level nationally. The series hasn’t produced any notable games between ranked teams since 1982. If we play Pitt, our money-hungry AD WON’T schedule teams like Alabama.
That’s the best answer I can give you at this time.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting.
I wonder how a Pitt person would describe the situation.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 14, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, now that's where it gets interesting, lol
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
The power of the Wannstache cannot be denied.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
If it's Pitt's ball, why'd the fucking officials stop them from returning it?
God I hate officials. I hate them more now that we have replay.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
Fumble?
I dunno. I rewound that sucker about 10 time. I think ND got hosed on that one.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
Karmic justice for the bullshit in the ND-Wash game
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Oregon is looking scary good once again....
too bad we don’t have a shot at them but then again maybe its for the best. Good luck OSU.
What is that? PPV?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
I just analyzed the stats from the game
in a nutshell…I don’t know how we took it into overtime. Our formula has disappeared over the last three games. We are turning the ball over at an alarming rate and yet, the other team is not (save indiana). jNU and tOSU both controlled clock and won turnover battle. Hard to beat that and that is, in fact, our own script used against us.
The team is just so resourceful. They just think win. A lot of credit goes to them for just plugging away.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
I dunno
a BCS game just feels like too big a stretch.
I’d like to play Boise State though. This time though, they won’t be sneaking up on an unmotivated Oklahoma.
In 100 years, we'll all be dead.
I really believe any 10 win Big Ten team will go the BCS
I would analyze the situation, but it’s 12:47 AM.
Good luck
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
It helps that so many other potential at-large teams are dropping like flies.
USC, Miami…
Looking at the BCS Top 25
1) Florida – won
2) Bama – won
3) Texas – won
4) TCU – won
5) Cincy – won
6) Boise St – won
7) Ga Tech – won
8) LSU – won (irrelevant since only two SEC teams can go)
9) USC – lost
10) Iowa – lost
11) Ohio St – won (clinched BCS auto-bid)
12) Pitt – won
13) Oregon – winning
14) Miami – lost
15) Houston – lost
16) Utah – lost
17) Arizona – lost
18) Penn St – won (it would be a huge injustice for them to jump us)
19) Okie St – won
20) Wisco – won (again - an injustice for them to jump us) won
21) Va Tech – won
22) BYU – won
23) Oregon St
24) So Fla – lost
25) West Va – lost
I imagine OSU/Pitt/Oregon will move up to the 9/10/11 spots. After that… we’ll have to see. I’d like to think that we won’t drop too far having lost in OT, on the road, with a freshman backfield… but we’ll have to wait and see. It certainly helps that 5 teams between spots 9 and 17 also lost (and most in more lopsided fashion than us). Honestly, the main danger might be Penn State or Wisco also slipping into the Top14 and being eligible for at-large consideration; they also have large, travel-happy fanbases, which would negate our biggest advantages as an at-large candidate.
FUN FACT
Marvin McNutt has now caught a TD pass in four straight games.
Anyone know the last Hawkeye to accomplish that feat?
Steady Eddie?
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Nov 15, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
Nope, looked it up
Neither did Solomon, who would have been my guess (he did get three games in a row at one point). Mo Brown, maybe? I can’t find game stats going back that far.
Hey, nevermind, found some
Mo Brown did it in 02.
Yep, Mighty Mo Brown.
He got a TD in the last four games of the ’02 season — Wisco, Northwestern (to be fair, everyone scored in this game… they could have put a jersey on me and I might have found my way to the endzone), @ Minnesota, and the Orange Bowl (garbage time, but it still counts!).
As MikeStoopsAss said
This is not the end, this the beginning my friends. Vandenberg played like a 5th year senior (which the annoucners were quick to point out) (New Tate {Baby Jesus} Forcier?)
This is the beginning. National Prominence, All the dominoes fall in to place. Who can stop us? When other Big Ten teams {every conference} are losing their X-factors we are gaining ours back. Since after the Northwestern game I have said that Vandenberg would make a 180 degree turnaround, Whether I credit that to Kirk Ferentz or to the resilience of the Keokuk High School football program is pure speculation, but the kid played his heart out. I am not upset about this loss. I expected this loss to be attributed to our freshman QB. It was not. If anything the reason we were put into the situation to win this game was because of Vandenberg and McNutt. This kid is cold. Real cold. Be happy Hawkeye fans, I am a junior at the University of Iowa and I know that the despite the great years blessed upon me (Shonn Greene) the best are yet to come.
FUCK "the" ohio state!
You are a 17 point favorite on your home field. We have a freshman quarterback making his FIRST career start on the road. A freshman RB. A team dealing with a shit load of injury’s. And you are “the” mighty ohio state fucking conservitive sweater vest wearing buckeys!
Your mighty defense had trouble with our decimated offense. and yes, our rush defense decided to take a game off. Oh, and your tallented QB…I mean WR playing QB, bailed you out numerous times with his legs. And yet, you manage to beat us by three butt-fucking points in overtime. Congratu-fucking-lations!
We will see you next year in Iowa City. Bring your fuckin “A” game, a pen and a piece of paper so you can take notes! Also, you might want to bring you mommy’s to the game as well. You are gonna need a shoulder to cry on.
P.S. You might want to send a thank you KOK for his brillant play calling in the overtime series!
Oh, and Fuck you, we’re IOWA!
KOK's palycalling was NOT bad in OT
Morse missed a key block (sigh, again) and Vandenberg made a freshman mistake by taking the sack.
Jesus, where do these idiots come from? It’s like giving a bunch of 6 year olds cocaine at a birthday party.
"Hayden Fox for Universal Jocks!"
Iowa stayed at 15 in the AP poll
Yeah, Penn State jumped them despite getting drilled at home by OSU just a week ago and the head to head loss at home against Iowa.
Sure, the AP poll doesn’t really count for anything, but the Coaches and Harris poll voters are usually even worse about ranking teams logically. Fuck those dorks.
Because I'm too lazy to look it up...
Aren’t there rules about eligibility for the NCAA?
My beef is the kicker who won the game for tOSU is 26! That’s like 7-8 years older than most college freshmen and 2-4 years older than most seniors. I know it’s not like he’s on the front line blocking and tackling, but it doesn’t seem right.
Also, he had been a professional athlete in soccer, despite a terrible career. I would assume he was paid for his work and got professional training assistance while he was in MLS. It seems a little suspicious that one can regress competition levels simply by changing sports.
Anyone know?
I don't know the exact rule, but it's happened before
I think it’s okay if you don’t sign with an agent or take endorsement money, but I could be wrong. Like fungeeu said, lots of players have played minor league baseball while maintaining their college eligibility.
Also bitching about the age difference is really silly. He’s a kicker, and not even an especially good one. His age didn’t give him any sort of advantage. Plus, we all enjoyed watching Shonn Greene (who was older than most guys he played against by a decent amount) run over guys last year, right?
I never totally understood why that was OK
but Jeremy Bloom wasn’t allowed to take sponsorship money to fund his skiing career.
Yeah, I don't get it
Like I said, taking endorsement money seems to be a definite no no, but I don’t know a lot about the rule beyond that. The NCAA is really dumb and confusing.
Ok, thanks
Thanks for the fast notes on it!
I really don’t pay much attention to sports outside of Hawkeye football, although this year, I’m keeping tabs on the rest of the Big Ten (especially since I live in another B11 town – I’ve got to be wary of who’s coming to town and when to hide).
I guess since there are examples, it must be okay. I still think it’s a shady loophole.
Nonetheless, let’s move on to the next one! Goldie’s going down!
One HUGE part of us getting an at-large BCS bid:
I believe we have to be in the top #14 of the final BCS to get an at large. New rankings show us at 13. That’s huge only dropping 3 spots, considering our 6 dropped places from last week. Beat the shit out of Minny, and then wait. The good and bad of being done early when there are a couple of weeks left: Teams above us can lose, and we can jump them. Teams below can win, and jump us.
But I really feel if we take care of business agains the Goofs, we should be set up well for that BCS bid.
With that being my first post here
I want to thank you guys for a refreshing look on one of my life’s biggest passions. I’ve been reading “other” message boards religiously for years, and I just found BHGP this year (props to storminspank). It’s amazing to me that a free board like this keeps away MOST of the bullshit. I don’t know if that’s the mods or people here just “get it,” but it’s a nice change of pace.
Thanks again.
Good morning!
After reading this excellent blog for the last couple of seasons, I decided it was high time I joined in the fun. It’s probably good that there was a 24-hour background check period before I could post anything, as I was still cursing KOK’s/Ferentz’s names yesterday morning (yes, I’m talking about the decision to NOT try to get into field goal range at the end of the 4th; that, I believe, lost the game for us; blah, blah, I know you can’t blame one play/decision, but still…). Anyhow, I’ll just repeat what has been said here: VBerg was phenomenal and showed TP how to play the position of QB. His thread-the-needle TD pass was a thing of beauty. MVP for him. And DJK running one back? Hadn’t seen one of those in a while, and it filled my drunken heart with joy. And sorry, I’m still bitter, but Trey Stross gets the MUP (most unvaluable player) award for the game. His hands and chest were abyssmal. ALL that said, I think it was the best game we’ve played all season (except for the final score), and I’m proud of the team.
Also, agreed on all fronts about the ridiculosity (yes, I know it’s not a real word) regarding Wisky and PSU jumping us in the polls. Oh, well. Hopefully we get the Fiesta bid. I just stayed at the Hotel Valley Ho in Scottsdale this past week, and I want to go back.
Oops, I got away from the one-game-at-a-time mentality for a second there. All I care about right now is that we completely and utterly destroy the pesky rodents of the Great White North on Saturday. That’ll make me happy. 9-3 would put me into therapy.
This just in: ESPN announces College Game Day only one hour this week!
EPSN Offices announced today that their highly popular show College Game Day will only be one hour on Saturday November 21st. When questioned why they would cut such a wildly popular show to only one hour host Chris Fowler replied, “Look, even we can’t make a case for USC and Notre Dame to make a BCS game anymore, they both blow goats; Charlie Weis is getting fired – not news; we have sucked dry every story about ‘THE TIM TEBOW’ we can and the BCS is screwed this year – we have nothing more to say.”
When co-host Lee Corso was asked for an opinion he blurted, “Not so fast my friend! …Um, …er, …ahhh, …well fuck!”
Tune in this Saturday at 11 EST to see if The Home Depot can fill a shit house with 60 minutes of dribble.
Said, if for no other reason, to avoid making Pat Angerer angrierer.
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