What’s Your Prediction?
...and you thought the Northwestern game hurt. Iowa basketball newcomer and point guard Cully Payne started and scored three points, dished out six assists and an ample supply of grief to the Marian Knights in 29 minutes of exhibition supremacy this past week, or maybe yesterday...who really keeps track of basketball these days? Don't ask who or what Marian is, it will only confuse and sadden you. Focus instead on the bigger issues, such as: Is there life after Jake Kelly? Will Carver-Hawkeye ever be sold out for a basketball game again? And, why am I reading about basketball right now? More after the jump....
After signing and then decommitting from Alabama, Illinois native Cully Payne was adrift looking for a place to land his unique talents. Soon enough he was being stalked by Todd Lickliter who was losing basketball players at a rate roughly equal to the speed of sound. Lickliter sold Payne by convincing him that Iowa was not far from his home, was without any competition at the point guard position, and is among the nations better basketball programs with vigorous fan support and a rich tradition of winning. Cully decided that two out of three ain't bad, and signed on the dotted line. And if the preseason, all one game of it, is any indication Cully has chosen wisely. He has found his mecca on the hardwood of Caver-Hawkeye. Not since Iowa signed Jeff Peterson, who like Payne was a promise breaker having initially signed and then decommitted from Princeton, has Hawkeye Nation been so apathetic unaware of the comings and goings of Hawkeye basketball players.
Payne is the latest cornerstone piece of Todd Lickliter's Iowa Hawkeye basketball program, which after two years has been graced with a number of foundational players around which he has tried to build (Tony Freeman, Jeff Peterson, Cyrus Tate, Jake Kelly). Lickliter may have finally found the guy though who can fill it up and dish it out, and all while doing a remarkable impression of Dan Bohall. But most importantly Lickliter has found someone ready to hunker down and stay for the duration (or at least two full seasons) at the point guard spot. That his name is Cully is just a bonus.
Todd Lickliter has proved the Butler Way is the way back for Iowa. Cully Payne, for one, could not be happier to be part of Lickliters second or third beginning at Iowa. When asked how he planned to use Payne for the upcoming season, Lickliter responded with his usual obtuseness by saying, "I expect to play Cully 40 minutes a game for the first few games, then I'll sit him inexplicably for a game or two and leave him and the media in the dark the rest of the season about his playing time. I find that players and the media respond best to certainty, so consider this a big heads-up." Other players who expect to be clueless about their role this season include, everyone but Matt Gatens---whose role is to be Matt Gatens for 40 minutes a night.
The Hawkeyes are picked by the media, and each of the returning players, to finish last in the Big Ten---which of course means eleventh. Lickliter sees this as progress though, "When I first came here Iowa was coming off a disastrous 17-14 season in which they did not make the NCAA or NIT tournament." When reminded that 17-14 is still a winning season Lickliter became visibly agitated and shot back, "go look at Butler for God sake. Look at Tennessee, Arkansas and Indiana State. I'm a program builder! I'm making a difference dammit." With players like Cully Payne the indifference is about to start.
Iowa opens it season on November 15 against Texas-San Antonio at Carver-Hawkeye Arena. Tickets are available. Big time.
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I have literally no idea what to expect this year.
Could be a lot like Michigan in football this year. Absolutely freakish in the non-con, and then an awful record in conference.
With regards to the basketball team, I really think NAME REDACTED left the program in absolute shambles. When Lickliter was hired, I said I would give him 5 years to show progress in turning the ship around. One could argue this will be his first, real, “Lickliter squad”. I don’t really care what our record is this year, as long as we’re competitive. I got tired of seeing all the blowouts last year. So, that’s my standard for a successful season in ’09-10; are we a competitive basketball team, regardless of record.
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by MissouriHawk on Nov 11, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
We might not win a single conference game
in year three of the five year plan. Just throwing that out there. With the possible exception of Indiana at home, I doubt we will be favored in any other game, home or away
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 11, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's fair...
But like I said, considering where Lickliter had to start the rebuilding process, I think a competitive team, regardless of record, is the goal this year. Do we see an obvious improvement in this team over last year, and even the year before. That’s what I’m interested in. Of course I want to win games, but as I said above, I think the program was much more in shambles than any of us realized when it came into Lickliter’s hands.
That said…if there is no discernible progress after this year, it might be time to abandon the five year plan because, well, there should be discernible progress more than halfway into the plan.
Black and Gold Blood: Cubbie Blue Heart
by MissouriHawk on Nov 11, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's really, really hard to 0-18 in conference play.
I have no expectations for this team, but I have to think they’ll be able to knock off at least a team or two at home. If nothing else, they’re a team built on outside shooting and it seems likely there will be a game or two when they’re really shooting well.
by RossWB on Nov 11, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You'll beat us
Guarantee it, damnit.
Sam Lickliter. Never forgive. Never forget. Beat IU.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 11, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But we'll lose to jNWU.
And, lo, the circle of life will continue.
(sigh)
by RossWB on Nov 11, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think what you will, but Iowa will win this year in conf
This team is better than last year. The only real loss to the team was Jake. In that, we added Payne, May, Cougill. I’ll take that exchange. We essentially get a new recruit in Anthony Tucker too. Between Gatens, Tucker, and Cole – Iowa has a good foundation. Fuller is going to be all over the glass.
0-18 in conf ain’t happening.
As far as a 5 year plan, this 09 class is very good. The 2010 class is even better. All four 2010 recruits are signing LOIs today.
Iowa BB is on the way back… I just hope everyone remembers to jump back on the bandwagon. Some of us fan have been keep all your seats warm for you.
by storminspank on Nov 11, 2009 10:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right, and certainly hope you are right.
I think Lickliter was out of his depth though when he arrived. The way he handled the media was amateur to semi-pro and he had a very hard time communicatinig his vision to people. No vision equals no expectations, equals frustration. Iowa’s biggest problem this year will be that everyone else might have improved even more than they have. So progress based on wins and losses may suggest we are moving backward, when as you argue, we are not. I like the word on the new recruits and I think he has a system that can be very effective with the right personnel and he deserves time to accumulate that personnel.
My thinking is that Iowa wins 4 games in conference. More than that will surprise and even impress me. But lots of fans will not be understanding of that and Barta is going to have his hands full on the perception side of things. He’d be a fool to play hardball with the fans right now. They need to create an atmosphere in that arena and be super student friendly. Given the economics (and maybe a BCS berth will help here) he might not be able to do very much.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 11, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree re: measuring progress in wins and losses.
I think this team might very well play better in many respects, but I’m not sure it will be reflected in the final record just because of the quality of the opposition. It seems like virtually every Big Ten school should be as good (if not better) than last year, which is going to make things very difficult.
I’m not even sure if we’ll win a game among the in-state foes. Keeping Brackins was a huge boost for ISU and the game is in Ames, too. UNI is supposed to once again be the class of the MVC. I don’t know how good Drake is supposed to be, but their recent record against us is pretty solid…
by RossWB on Nov 11, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to subscribe to whatever Storminspank has to say about Iowa BB.
He is very smart on the subject. I am not.
Black and Gold Blood: Cubbie Blue Heart
by MissouriHawk on Nov 11, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
9-22
That is the over/under line for the Hawkeyes. Better than that is great, worse is troubling. The schedule is a killer after the middle of the season. It is possible Iowa could lose 10-12 in a row. They just have a very difficult schedule after that midway mark.
A big wildcard is Archie…does he play? not that he is a world beater, but Fuller and Cole need a breather. Also, how quickly can these frosh contribute. Last year we got great contributions from our frosh. Unlikely to equal that, but hey?? Finally, how much has Lickliter grown. He made a number of questionable subs in games last year. I couldn’t tell who he trusted and who he didn’t. And is he playing these games to be in the 50s or high 60s? If he goes the 50s route again I don’t see how we win those games given our defensive limitations on the inside.
I am sincerely curious to see how we do this year. I hate to sound critical, but this is what I am sensing right now.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 11, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are silly
I am just going to predicted undefeated wins and no defeated losses for the Iowa basketball team of Hawkeye for the year to be. Go to the Iowa win!
by storminspank on Nov 11, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All the players who have left the program under Lickliter
were originally Alford players/recruits. Not one of Lickliter’s guys have left yet. It would of been better if all of them would of left right away, but they didn’t. Besides Kelly, they all seemed like babies. It looks like the guys he has picked up work well in his system. I think they are competitive this year, and then surprise next year.
by vahawk on Nov 11, 2009 12:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Peterson was Lickliter's first recruit.
He is at Arkansas now. Look, transferring in college basketball is quite common. I have no problem with those guys leaving. At all. To me, in order for Lickliter to succeed he needs to do three things much better:
- represent this program with openness and respect. Fans and media cannot be perpetually wondering, “what the hell is he doing?”
- he needs to recruit better (he seems to be doing this now)
- he needs to understand how to tweak his “system,” and the players within it, to fit the Big Ten.
He came in with a system that was a bit naively constructed at first. He thought he could clog up the middle by playing great defense and outshoot other teams with the three and voila, here come the victories. Well, the NCAA moved the 3-point line back. That required adjustments. And frankly, he had guys who could do both but not very effectively for a whole game.
And in late game situations he had NO ONE who could make a play off he dribble and Iowa crumbled in a number of games late last year. The Penn State game most notably. Jake was his only player who had any one-on-one ability. In the Big Ten the athleticism is too great to expect your system to work in all situations. He needs guys who can make a play outside of the flow of the ball. Someone who can create his own shot in the last 3 mins of games when you have the lead and are milking the clock or when you are trying to win a close game. Ball screens can only get you so far.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 11, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jenna Jameson disagrees with this statement:
Ball screens can only get you so far.
She had an entire CAREER based on screening balls.
Black and Gold Blood: Cubbie Blue Heart
by MissouriHawk on Nov 11, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"NO ONE who could make a play off the dribble" ?
Bawinkel would like to have a word with you sir.
What’s that? You are feet away on a basketball court? OK, Devan will be there in about 45 minutes.
Lord, beer me strength for Iowa basketball season.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Nov 12, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we could shock some people this year
and maybe finish 2nd to last in the Big Televen. Seriously though, I am fine with suffering through another bad year or two while looking forward to year #5. We will have Gatens as a senior, all these young guys, including the 4 we just signed. Hopefully some of them will not transfer away, and the rest won’t pass out in the snow downtown, and we are looking at a nice season in two years and a program fully recovered. We are a going to be a little undersized, but I know Lick’s system allows for that and we should be competitive.
If we still suck in 2 years, I will be shocked…and then I will be disappointed.
Pasadena sounded fun, but I'd still settle for Pasadena instead.
by CUNKNNK on Nov 11, 2009 2:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, though, the underlying issue is in the strength of the Big Ten
One that Andy Katz says is the BEST IN THE FREAKIN NATION.
So that’s going to a problem in itself for a team trying to get a good run during the conf. slate.
by storminspank on Nov 11, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is always about your competition though, right?
Dochterman tells me that he thinks Iowa wins 4 home games and one road game. He thinks it possible Iowa is not favored in any conference game this year. That would be, like, cool.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 12, 2009 6:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Dochterman tells me that he thinks Iowa wins 4 home games and one road game.
Is that just in conference play? Our non-conference slate is so pathetic that I have to think we have a few more than four home wins there.
by RossWB on Nov 12, 2009 9:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
yes
conference only
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 12, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A-ha.
After looking at the schedule, I agree with that assessment and even that presumes that we can upset a few teams at CHA.
by RossWB on Nov 12, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Penn State and Indiana are the obvious
opportunities. The rest look damn tough. I hope they shock the world but…
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 12, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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