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Wha Happened? Week Nine

Sooo... that was an uneventful day in the Big Ten, right?  A blowout here, an unexpectedly tight game there, wins by two of BHGP's favorite embattled coaches, and a flawless day of work by the league's refereeing and replay officials.  Yep.  Nothing to see here.  Just the usual.  But if you insist... here's Wha Happened.

Come to think of it: has anyone ever seen Batman and Ron Zook in the same place?  HMM.

Illinois 38, Michigan 13
Not a dream, not a hoax, not an imaginary story -- Illinois really did crush a conference rival by 25 points.  The same sad-sack Illini outfit that hadn't cracked 17 points in a single game against FBS competition this year scored more than that by the ten minute mark of the third quarter; then tacked on another 17 points because they were feeling frisky.  Much-maligned (and deservedly so) Juice Williams had a quiet but efficient day passing the ball (8/11, 123 yards), but he took care of the ball (no turnovers) and he helped key an Illinois rushing attack that churned out 377 yards on 56 carries (Juice had 97 yards and a score on 21 attempts), numbers would that make even the potent Illinois rushing attack of 2007 envious.  Jason Ford and Mikel Williams both finished with over 100 yards rushing, including a 70+ yard touchdown run by each man.  This was a very nice and much-needed win for the embattled Zooker, which makes the BHGP joke writers (we pay them in collector's edition STANZI 4 HEISMANZI t-shirts) very pleased.  But, hell, after the ongoing nightmare that this season has been, a win like this is a nice port in the storm; so sit back, relax, and do the Batusi, Ron -- for one night, you've earned it.  Wha Happened? was all prepared to write the official obituary for the 2009 Illinois season as they became the first B10 team to clinch bowl ineligibility, but that will have to wait for at least one week.

Meanwhile, former wunderkind Tate Forcier continued his brutal October; he did go 13/23 for 257 yards, but he fumbled three times (losing two), failed to throw a touchdown pass, and failed to lead Michigan to touchdowns of any kind after the first quarter (and failed to lead them to any points whatsoever in the second half).  In fact, Forcier hasn't thrown a touchdown pass since the end of the Michigan State game.  Whether it's his ailing shoulder, the increasingly cold and nasty midwestern weather, or just the physical grind of Big Ten football on an undersized true freshman's body, Forcier's play has clearly taken a dip. That 4-0 start looks more and more like a mirage and with a pair of home games (against Purdue and Ohio State) sandwiched around a road game at resurgent Wisconsin, achieving more than a 6-6 record may be difficult for the LOLverines.  Good thing it's a short road trip to Detroit for the Pizza!  Pizza! Bowl.

Finally, a sad farewell to the gloriously-named Boubacar Cissoko, unceremoniously booted from the Michigan team earlier this week for the always-mysterious "violation of team rules" (BHGP theory: swindled Rodriguez out of seed money for City Boyz, Inc. 2.0); between this loss and the impending departure of Zoltan Mesko, Michigan is losing ground in the "totally awesome names" department.  At least they still have Martavious Odoms.

Star-divide

Only a quarter as insane as this actual game.

Minnesota 42, Michigan State 34
If Iowa-Indiana wasn't the wildest Big 10 game of the day, then this one almost certainly takes that honor.  Over 800 total yards of offense, 76 points, five touchdowns of longer than 30 yards, and, oh yeah, 17 penalties for 157 yards for Minnesota (they tacked on 9 penalties for 73 yards against Sparty; needless to say, the officials had some busy whistles).  Absolute lunacy.  And words can't even begin to describe how preposterous some of the touchdowns were: Minnesota opened up the scoring with a 62-yard bomb that featured Duane Bennett doing one of the best tightrope walks you'll ever see; Brandon Green followed that up by hauling in an acrobatic 37-yard score.  MSU scored their first touchdown on one of the wackiest, most schoolyard-looking scramble-and-chuck-it-downfield plays.  MSU then attempted to trump that by having Keshawn Martin rattle off a 93-yard kickoff return touchdown and an 84-yard rushing touchdown within a ten minute span in the third quarter.  But the icing on the cake was Minnesota's clinching touchdown: Duane Bennett plucked the ball out of the air after the initial receiver, Nick Tow-Arnett, got cracked by brutal hit and coughed the ball up, then scooted 59 yards.  Like I said: pre-fucking-posterous. 

Meanwhile, the Iowa-Indiana game wasn't the only one that featured some questionable replay calls; moments before Minnesota's clinching touchdown, the replay booth inexplicably overturned a critical fumble call after a Minnesota receiver appeared to catch the ball, take 1-2 steps, and then get hit and fumble the ball.  I have no idea what the replay official saw there to change that call.  Regardless, Adam Weber had a career day -- 19/31, 416 yards, 5 TD/1 INT -- and the fact that this happened a week after he lost his safety blanket in Eric Decker seemed somehow appropriate on a thoroughly wild and woolly day of Big Ten action.  A week after Ricky Stanzi made the Spartan secondary look good for 58:23, Adam Weber confirmed what we all knew to be true: they kinda suck.  As for the rest of Spartans, it's hard not to look at the catastrophic opening of the game and not conclude that there was a hangover effect from the Iowa game a week ago; whether there was or not, they're 4-5 and may need to win out to guarantee themselves a bowl game (which could be tricky since they end the season against Penn State), which is not exactly how you want to follow up a 9-win campaign that finished up in the Capital One Bowl.  All five of their losses have been by single digits, but close losses don't do anything but keep you up at night.  But what to make of the TRY FIGHT WIN HEAVILY PENALIZED Gophers a week after losing their top offensive weapon (Decker) and nearly getting shut out in back-to-back games by Penn State and Ohio State (only a garbage-time touchdown against OSU's reserves prevented that ignominious fate)?  Was this an aberration?  A sign that the Gopher offense may not be quite as woeful as we thought?  Considering that Weber hadn't thrown for a TD pass since the Wisconsin game 28 days ago and that he nearly doubled his season total for TD passes in one game, we lean towards the former explanation.

 

The Nittany Lion got moves, yo.

Penn State 34,  just Northwestern 13
At halftime, jNWU was actually winning 13-10.  After three quarters, the game was still tied, 13-13.  Then came STANZITIME, er, the fourth quarter and Penn State absolutely blew up, scoring touchdowns on three consecutive drives to take control of the game.  Daryll Clark continued to cruise towards 1st-team All-Big Ten honors, going 22/31 for 274 yards and a touchdown; just another fine day at the office for him.  Evan Royster tacked on 118 yards and a touchdown on just 15 carries.  The bad news from LOLcat land is that starting quarterback and existential warrior Mike Kafka left the game with a hamstring injury, which puts into doubt his availability for the Iowa game this coming weekend.  Back-up Dan Persa wasn't bad, per se (14/23, 115 yards; 14 carries, 42 yards; 0 TDs), but he didn't exactly do much, either.  Once again, the jNWU running backs were a no-show: their top two leading rushers were Persa and Kafka.  Actual running backs ran the ball 14 times for 33 yards.  These are not exactly the proud descendants of Darnell Autry, Damian Anderson, and Tyrell Sutton.

 

Is there anything that muppets don't make better?  Of course not.

Wisconsin 37, Purdue 0
Two weeks ago, Purdue was on top of the world after engineering a wildly improbable upset over Ohio State.  They followed that up with a tidy win over a reeling Illinois team.  It's safe to say the honeymoon is over now.  John Clay carried the load on offense (123 yards and three touchdowns on 24 carries), a blocked punt returned for a touchdown late in the first half deflated Purdue, and the Badger defense squeezed the life out of Purdue, holding them to a measly 141 yards on 62 plays, or barely more than two yards a play.  This was vintage, Alvarez-era Wisconsin football.

 

Honestly one of the first three returns on Youtube on a search for "new mexico state"; maybe they were just playing Ohio State in the wrong sport...

 

 

Ohio State 45, New Mexico State 0
Even this seemingly innocuous blowout is still further proof of what a thoroughly insane day it was in the Big Ten.  When the fuck does Senator Sweatervest (who is now getting actual political advice from someone who knows a thing or two about moving from coach to politician) ever beat someone 45-0?  Especially with an offense that, prior to the past few weeks, had been one of the most anemic offenses of the Sweatervest Era?  Has Terrelle Pryor truly turned the proverbial corner?  Well, let's not get too hasty -- he was just 11/23 for 135 yards and a touchdown, plus 83 yards and a touchdown on nine carries -- and New Mexico State (who, it should be noted, is not the New Mexico school with the "fists of fury" coach) does have one of the worst defenses in the nation.  They also have one of the worst offenses in the nation, which is just making it a little too easy for the stout Buckeye defense; that said, anytime you can hold FBS competition to just 62 yards of total offense, well, you're doing something very, very right.  Either way, Ohio State did exactly what a good team is supposed to do at home to a horrifically overmatched team: beat the everloving shit out of them.

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Vegas Baby!

Kirk Ferentz: "We’ve got nine and I know we don’t have to give any of them back, I know that."

While the entire college football world is furious that Iowa continues to win, consider the following:

I have listed below those teams ranked in the Top 10 in the Coaches Poll last week, and their record against the Vegas spread. For the sake of argument, these are the records of a team’s ability to exceed this notion of "expectations" or "potential."

1. Florida 3-3-1
2. Alabama 5-3
3. Texas 3-4-1
4. USC 2-6
5. Boise State 6-1
6. TCU 5-2
7. Cinncy 5-2
8. Iowa 6-2
9. LSU 4-2-2
10. Penn State 4-4

If we re-ranked this group by their spread record it is:
1. Boise State
2. Iowa
3. Cinncy, TCU (tie)
4. Alabama
5. LSU
6. Penn State
7. Florida
8. Texas
9. USC

What stands out is how remarkably disappointing the traditional powers are in exceeding expectations. USC is of course, horrible. No serious bettor would touch USC or Texas and Florida for that matter. They know these teams are overplayed, over-hyped, and most importantly overvalued.

On another completely unrelated topic: Texas Christian University, who is ostensibly playing their way methodically into the National Championship picture, plays their home games at Amon Carter Stadium, which has a capacity of 44,008. In their four home games thus far they have had crowds of 35,249 (Texas State); 37,130 (SMU); 31,156 (Colo St.); and 33,541 (UNLV).

That is >80% attendance thus far. Question: Which BCS Bowl is hungry for this team to come to town? Also, go to the ESPN recap that has an embedded video of the game. Keep an eye on their field, which is Bermuda grass (Bermuda fucking grass!!! It is probably the only major college football program in the country with Bermuda grass!) and it’s really better described at Bermuda dirt. The field is half dirt!

Will the BCS Bowl games really take TCU seriously? I think not. (Conspiracy alert) I see Boise State passing them in the BCS as we move along.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting that we're 6-2

At least 3 of those (PSU, Wisky, MSU) we were underdogs or essentially a pick’em, correct? So while we’re beating the spread, we really haven’t gotten that much respect.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 1, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

dogs in all

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

MSU was the clostest to a pick em.

But we were never favorite for the PSU game. Line close with them giving us 7.5 I think

by Argulor on Nov 1, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TCU

Yeah, I don’t think any BCS bowl wants to touch them with a 10-foot pole at this point. Between the attendance factor and the fact that they play almost all of their games in the twin TV ghettos of Versus and The MTN, they don’t appear to be desirable at all. They don’t have a prayer of getting an at-large bid if Boise State winds up jumping them in the BCS rankings.

And, frankly, as crazy as it sounds — the BCS bowls are probably rooting for Boise State to do just that (or at least the Sugar and Fiesta Bowls who may wind up getting stuck with them; the Orange Bowl gets first dibs among the at-large teams so they’ll almost certainly take an actually desirable team). I think Boise State showed up in pretty good numbers for the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago and from an exposure standpoint they slaughter TCU: they play almost half their games on ESPN (albeit on every day of the week but Saturday) and they’re a known quantity to John Q. College Football Watcher ever since the game against Oklahoma. Ratings still wouldn’t be great, probably, but I think they would be better than if it was TCU there.

As far as Boise State jumping TCU… I’m very curious. The line of thought was that TCU’s overall stronger SOS will keep them higher, but I wonder how much of a boost Boise State will be getting from their Oregon win — both in terms of a SOS boost and in terms of the pollsters (who you’d think would keep them ahead of Oregon, although that’s probably a dicey proposition).

by RossWB on Nov 1, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Boise will pass them on strength of human vote

that’s how the conspiracy works.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is the human vote...

voting from the grassy knoll?

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 1, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They already are ahead of them in the Coaches and Harris Polls

So they’ll either need the computers to start loving them a lot more or the human pollsters to start dropping TCU even lower.

by RossWB on Nov 1, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Surely...

if the computers are based on schedule strength and win quality, then the computers won’t be loving Boise more, right? I’m sure Oregon’s drubbing of USC helps Boise, but every game they play from here on out would have to hurt them in the computers, right? Boise still has:
@ La Tech, Idaho, @Utah St, Nevada, New Mexico St.

Nevada might be mildly decent, everybody else on that sched pretty much sucks.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 1, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted to say...

that if TCU goes undefeated, they deserve a spot in the BCS top ten. However, I looked at their schedule, and they will have two good wins (Utah, BYU) and not much else (I have yet to be convinced that Clemson is not still an awful team in sheep’s clothing).

Of course, if I am talking about schedule strength or quality of wins, then I can’t really take Boise too seriously. On the other hand, I was just thinking how cool it would have been to see a Boise v. Oklahoma rematch in the Fiesta Bowl. You know…if OU hadn’t crapped the bed, its pants, and the floor by now.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 1, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Kafka is out for next week

then we should have an easy…wait. What the fuck is wrong with me?
We never make it easy. But it’s certainly going to help

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 1, 2009 8:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sidenote

I like to try and project what the worst-possible BCS game match-up could be – the sort of game that has bowl execs and TV execs lining up to slit their wrists. The Orange Bowl has taken it on the chin lately between the Louisville-Wake Forest and Cincy-Va Tech games they’ve been stuck with the last few years. Since they have first pick among the at-larges this year, they should be able to avoid something that dreadful no matter who emerges from the ACC; there’s a good chance someone like Notre Dame, Penn State, or USC will be there as a potential at-large option.

Anyway, I settled on the Fiesta Bowl if Texas gets upset in the Big 12 Championship Game. I’m not sure who would be the “worst” Big 12 North team to have there — Iowa State? Kansas State? Anyway, one of them against Cincinnati is what I settled on. Iowa State-TCU — REMATCH OF THE 2005 HOUSTON BOWL, BITCHES~! — would probably be the absolute worst, but since the Fiesta Bowl gets to pick before the Sugar, I figured they’d choose Cincinnati, since they seem like the lesser of two evils.

by RossWB on Nov 1, 2009 9:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice job, Ross.

However, I must ask – are TV execs not already lining up tho slit their wrists? From the utter crap I have seen on TV in the last few years, I figured only some self-loathing person on the verge of suicide would be able to program networks like NBC and Fox.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 1, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You got one of the scores wrong

Ohio State 45
New Mexico State $850,000

Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.

by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Nov 1, 2009 10:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The reversed fumble at the end of the Minny game...

…might honestly be one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen. I saw it live and several more times on replay. The Minnesota player caught the ball, secured it, took like two steps, and had the ball dislodged by the defender. It was the very definition of a fumble. I have utterly no idea what the replay official was thinking.

It probably cost MSU the game. Dantonio has the right to be PISSED.

by DonnyDonovan on Nov 1, 2009 11:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

As pissed as I get

at blown calls during the game, I understand bad calls made live. But we’ve seen a bunch of terrible replay calls this year, here in the B10 as well as around the nation. They’re going to have to address this in the offseason

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 1, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

We finally got a call, no matter how undeserved and WRONG, and then took advantage of it. These things don’t happen to Minnesota (See: late mailed-in pass interference), and when they do we find a way to lose the game at the end.

Terrible officiating all over the Big Ten yesterday, and the replay officials might be worse than the on-field crap.

Everyone fails. The successful learn from their failures. I just wish we'd quit giving ourselves so many learning opportunities.

by WhiteSpeedReceiver on Nov 1, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

@WSR

….and the replay officials might be worse than the on-field crap.

That would make sense, because you probably want your “best” officials on the field making the calls the first time, right?

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 1, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I'm not sure

I thought on one of the replays you could see the ball starting to come loose before he’d even been hit, like he didn’t quite have control of it to start with. I don’t think it was enough to overturn it, but apparently somebody in the booth disagreed.

Or maybe it was my eyes playing tricks on me, as I don’t think anyone else seems to have seen this.

by SpartanDan on Nov 1, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also ...

While Dantonio can and should be at least a little pissed off about it, I think he has bigger fish to fry. Like maybe not telegraphing the fact that we’re going to run up the middle for no gain on every fucking first down, every fucking goal line play. Or teaching his defense how not to bite so hard on every play-fake that the receivers have time to autograph the ball on the way to the end zone.

by SpartanDan on Nov 1, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget this problem...

How to keep a win-loss record above .500 for two games in a row.

Sorry, I’m just giving you crap.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Nov 1, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been frustrated at times with Iowa's goal line playcalling

but I think I’d be tearing my hair out if I was an MSU fan. Just some terribly uncreative and ineffective calling down there. Maybe that worked when you had Ringer but someone should let Dantonio know that he isn’t around anymore.

by RossWB on Nov 1, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dantonio killed what I think was a very good team waiting to happen

by fucking around with the QB situation. Anyone with eyes can see that Cousins is a rock star. They never made a decision that cost them the early losses and now they don’t let him play. If I was an O-coordinator with him at QB we would be throwing it 65% of the time, minimum.

I really think Dantonio is a work in progress.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

There was a good article over at The Only Colors that said pretty much the same thing – they waited too long to turn the reins over to Cousins (and they still have Nichol inexplicably coming in for a series here and there) and they don’t let him throw the ball enough. Running the ball a ton makes sense when you have a workhorse like Ringer, but none of the guys they have now can work that system as well as he could.

I hope they don’t figure it out too soon, though — we will have plenty of games against Cousins over the next few years and I’d rather not have him turn into a cold-blooded assassin back there.

by RossWB on Nov 1, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So I guess we'll have the Kookster to kick around a little bit longer...

As my Daddy used to say “Every once in a while, a blind pig finds an acorn.”

There are reports that Zook was running amok in Chambana with an acorn in his mouth.

by Leftcoast Hawk on Nov 1, 2009 11:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

AP Poll

1 Florida (38) 8-0 1448
2 Texas (13) 8-0 1408
3 Alabama (8) 8-0 1390
4 Cincinnati 8-0 1212
5 Boise State 8-0 1211
6 TCU 8-0 1147
7 Oregon 7-1 1130
8 Iowa 9-0 1127
9 LSU 7-1 1036
10 Georgia Tech 8-1 949
11 Penn State 8-1 886
12 USC 6-2 741
13 Houston 7-1 707
14 Pittsburgh 7-1 690
15 Ohio State 7-2 636
16 Miami (FL) 6-2 602
17 Utah 7-1 552
18 Oklahoma State 6-2 361
19 Notre Dame 6-2 352
20 Oklahoma 5-3 348
21 Arizona 5-2 322
22 Virginia Tech 5-3 185
23 California 6-2 181
24 Wisconsin 6-2 172
25 Brigham Young 6-2 130

South Florida 115, Clemson 35, Auburn 30, Texas Tech 24, West Virginia 15, Rutgers 11, Boston College 6, Central Michigan 4, Oregon State 4, Tennessee 3, Idaho 2, Richmond 1, South Carolina 1, Temple 1,

Coaches Poll

1 Florida (46) 7-0 1459
2 Alabama (9) 8-0 1399
3 Texas (4) 7-0 1390
4 USC 6-1 1244
5 Boise State 7-0 1152
6 TCU 7-0 1131
7 Cincinnati 7-0 1126
8 Iowa 8-0 1086
9 LSU 6-1 1037
10 Penn State 7-1 935
11 Georgia Tech 7-1 865
12 Oregon 6-1 839
13 Oklahoma State 6-1 825
14 Virginia Tech 5-2 691
15 Ohio State 6-2 569
16 Houston 6-1 544
17 Pittsburgh 7-1 542
18 Miami (FL) 5-2 433
19 Utah 6-1 403
20 West Virginia 6-1 365
21 South Carolina 6-2 279
22 Mississippi 5-2 223
23 Oklahoma 4-3 168
24 Arizona 5-2 149
25 Notre Dame 5-2 82

CENTRL MICHIGAN 61, Brigham Young 59, Wisconsin 49, California 32, Texas Tech 14, Kansas 11, Georgia 5, Navy 4, Auburn 2, Clemson 2

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

by shake n bake on Nov 1, 2009 1:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That

Would be last week’s coaches poll.

Oregon jumping us is just sad. They’ve lost, we haven’t. Ah well – at least we’ll get to settle THAT one on the field in the Rose Bowl.

by benvious on Nov 1, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no rhyme or reason to the AP voting

Why didn’t Alabama drop several spots when they barely beat Tenn.? Their Va Tech, South Carolina and Ole Miss wins are not looking so great.

Completely overrated. Look, Iowa will not get any help from voters. But the bowl execs will be salivating over us. I just want the Rose Bowl and then to win there. In my lifetime, to have that would be so sweet.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oops Coaches poll is old

1 Florida (50) 8-0 1463
2 Texas (4) 8-0 1395
3 Alabama (5) 8-0 1390
4 TCU 8-0 1182
5 Boise State 8-0 1176
6 Iowa 9-0 1161
7 Cincinnati 8-0 1150
8 Oregon 7-1 1079
9 LSU 7-1 1062
10 Penn State 8-1 966
11 Georgia Tech 8-1 934
12 Ohio State 7-2 730
13 USC 6-2 729
14 Pittsburgh 7-1 694
15 Houston 7-1 672
16 Utah 7-1 567
17 Miami (FL) 6-2 549
18 Oklahoma State 6-2 371
19 Arizona 5-2 320
20 Oklahoma 5-3 313
21 Notre Dame 6-2 281
22 Wisconsin 6-2 204
23 California 6-2 197
24 Virginia Tech 5-3 193
25 Brigham Young 6-2 106

Others receiving votes: South Florida 65, West Virginia 51, Texas Tech 49, Auburn 46, Clemson 18, South Carolina 15, North Carolina 8, Idaho 8, CENTRL MICHIGAN 7, Navy 5, Boston College 5, Rutgers 4, Tennessee 4, Duke 3, Kansas State 1, TROY 1, Temple 1,

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

by shake n bake on Nov 1, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is almost certainly going to backfire on me

But, fuck it. The Nittany Lion thriller video reminded me of what I consider the turning point of the game yesterday, and I even told the people I sit with that I thought it would be the turning point when it happened.

During the half-time show, the Hawkeye marching band did their tribute to MJ… AGAIN. I had even turned to someone I didn’t know and said, “Weird, we are going to play ‘Thriller’. That never happens five times a year.” What transpired was surprising though. About halfway through the song, the band put down their instruments and began doing the dance. The crowd, which had been unbelievably dead for most of the first half, went crazy (considering there is usually nothing more than a smattering of applause for “The Boom” halftime shows.) I turned to my brother and said “This is the turning point of the game.” He looked at me like I had just grown a penis out of my forehead, to which I replied, “Listen to the crowd.” You could feel the energy level in the building rise about 200%, and it remained there the rest of the game.

by shada's revenge on Nov 1, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I can see what you're talking about...

But I don’t really think that the stadium kept that energy. They dang near lost it until Sash’s INT return and then dang near lost again until the 4th quarter. I do think that the thriller dance finally gave the crowd something to cheer about. Although didn’t they do the EXACT same dance like 3 years ago? Just wondering.

by Argulor on Nov 1, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was literally the most excited the crowd got until the Sash INT

And honestly, it may have been even louder. It was kinda sad. Not as sad as when the student section spent the last five minutes trying to start a wave and then loudly booed when the old folk with good seats along the Iowa sideline refused to participate though.

by NorseHawk on Nov 1, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Most of us old folks on the Iowa sideline don't care for The Wave....

….because to us it’s old old old old hat. We’ve been waving for over twenty years now, and frankly we’re tired of it. In a way, that makes us “hipper” than the students, who somehow think The Wave is still “awesome”.

Well, as a certified old folk (meaning, over 35), I can tell you with 100% accuracy that The Wave is considered by many to be tired and stupid. On this one, we’re ahead of the curve of what’s cool and what’s not.

Boo all you like, students: I’m not waving.

If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.

by The Director on Nov 1, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw "The Wave" being performed by Michigan fans...

…during a replay of the 1990 Iowa-Michigan game on BTN.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Nov 1, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Supposedly it started....

at NY Islanders hockey games back in the eighties, then spread from there like a certain form of influenza ravaging our area high schools. It even made an appearance in When Harry Met Sally, which also tells you its age.

Unfortunately, unlike the Macarena, it has not died an ignominious death. People persist in starting The Wave and look at you as if you are tossing babies off of bridges if you do not want to participate.

Well, I toss your baby! I will not participate.

If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.

by The Director on Nov 1, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good for you. It’s stupid.

by txhawkeye on Nov 1, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The best wave I ever saw

was at the Rose Bowl game between Iowa and UCLA. When was that, 1890 or something?

by Zulu on Nov 1, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was not criticizing you

The Wave is lame as hell. It is just below that stupid burrito lift thing and just above key jingling on my “shit that happens at Iowa games that I hate” list.

by NorseHawk on Nov 1, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Along those same lines:

What the fuck is up with the shoe waving thing? That started a couple years ago, I think, when I was still in IC… but I didn’t understand it then and still don’t.

by RossWB on Nov 1, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea

At least it’s unique though. I like it way better than the stupid key thing, which everyone does and which also makes no sense.

by NorseHawk on Nov 1, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Key play, dude

It makes perfect sense.

It also makes me sad that I have seen it performed at Beaver Stadium. sigh

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Nov 1, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's for people....

….who don’t have any keys since they’re poor students without cars, and waving around ony roomkey on a chain isn’t much fun.

There’s a great monologue by James Spader in Sex Lies and Videotape on life without keys, in case anyone wants to hear more.

If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.

by The Director on Nov 1, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I have never understood that connection, but a ton of schools do it

My plan: just yell really fucking loud. Coincidentally, this is also my plan for basically every other game situation where Iowa does not need to hear a snap count.

by NorseHawk on Nov 1, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NorseHawk: I knew you weren't criticizing me...

….but I was looking for an excuse to be curmudgeonly, since it’s so damn much fun to be curmudgeonly.

When you get a little older, you’ll know what I mean. Now, when I was YOUR age and we went to Kinnick……grumble grumble bitch and moan……snow three feet deep……no videoscreen, was lucky just to see the scoreboard occasionally….you young whippersnappers, etc.

If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.

by The Director on Nov 1, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

When I was NorseHawks age

I had and used a comb, added without a calculator, played golf only with a beer cooler, ate dinner after 9pm routinely, thought button fly jeans were cool.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What's the matter with button fly jeans?

And, for the record, when ever I went to Kinnick Stadium the Hawks always lost.

by Zulu on Nov 2, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

their cool, they're just not

practical. Nothing like taking your pants off just to pee. i’ve become practical.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 2, 2009 6:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to cause problems

but for those of us of * ahem * a certain age, when we were students, raw chicken was thrown on the field by the student section. I never understood that.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 2, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just miss

the frozen marshmellows.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 2, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone there for yellow bouncy balls?

I remember some promotion for half.com that went badly. It was early in in Ferentz’s career.

by Duez I say on Nov 3, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My sister is in the HMB

So I’m glad to hear they’re doing their part to march on Pasadena.

"I am so proud to be your coach." -Paul Rhoads

by CyHawk on Nov 2, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Wave is really just

an excuse to ignore the game IMO. The home games have been wierd and not had great crowd rhythm. I’m hoping, against hope, that Iowa gets a lead early on jNU (something like 10 nothing would be nice) and gets the crowd in it early and then just pours it on.

On a semi-related note, anyone heard why Ferentz deferred on the coin toss this week? We got lucky with the wind in the fourth, or unlucky in the third, however you want to read it. But he is a “receive” guy on all won coin tosses, so I found it odd. Was he playing a hunch?

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Lou Holtz...

made a big deal on TV about how, on really windy days, and you win the toss, you want to rig it so the wind IS AT YOUR BACK during Fourth Quarter. Ferentz probably saw that, smart coach that he is.

BTW for those of us at home, I.E. Me, it didn’t look that windy until a booth guy tried to explain away all the Stanzi Balls byu saying how the wind was knocking them down. They cut to a photo of the Big Ten Pennants which were standing straight out like thwy were in a gale.

“Hmmm,” I thought to myself, "it is breezy. How come we’re not tossing more short “out” patterns?"

by Zulu on Nov 1, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wind, probably

They really should defer every time. The offense is sub-par. Let the awesome D make a stop and give them a shorter field to work with to start.

by NorseHawk on Nov 1, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard Ferentz's rationale on always choosing to receive

He said in the NFl they did a study and choosing to receive led to teams having the ball on offense more possessions more often than not. Also, you choose to receive if you have a good punter, because even if you go three and out, you can keep the field position even at worst.

Thanks…it must have been a helluva wind. For those who attended, did it seem worse than normal.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That seems impossible

Since one team gets the ball to start the first half and the other gets it to start the second, it seems like it should work out the same. I can’t think of any reason as to why the first half is more likely to have an odd number of possessions (if it’s an even number, both teams got the same number) than the second.

by SpartanDan on Nov 1, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All I can think of

Is that teams often try to milk the clock (and thus limit the total possessions available to both teams) at the end of wins.

by NorseHawk on Nov 1, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

adjustments...at halftime...over the course of the year

good teams adjust and that tips the stat.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd also consider things like....

the way both halves are played differently. In the first one there isn’t as big of an urgency to score as there is in the second if your team is down. So if you manage to get an extra possession in the first then maybe the second half will clip along so fast that as long as you control the clock well enough you come out on top with number of possessions.

by Argulor on Nov 1, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't make sense

An 8-7 edge in possessions in the first half and a 3-4 disadvantage in the second still adds up to 11 per team. I don’t see how any sort of adjustments can change the basic math: either the team that receives the kickoff in any given half will have one more possession than the other team, or they will have the same number. (This ignores things like onside kicks, fumbled kickoffs, etc.)

by SpartanDan on Nov 2, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Was the last game we deferred the PSU game last year?

I know for three quarters I was upset that we deferred since our formula has ALWAYS been to take the ball and, being the occasionally superstitious dolt that I am, I didn’t think we should mess with that formula. But it certainly paid off nicely in the fourth quarter, so huzzah for that decision.

by RossWB on Nov 1, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Thankfully (for scUM) it's a short drive to the Pizza! Pizza! bowl"

After that performance, who do you have them beating to get bowl eligible? They are pathetic!

by psu1313 on Nov 1, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well, Purdue is plausible.

Although certainly if they play as poorly as they have the last couple weeks, they won’t be winning anything.

by RossWB on Nov 1, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

These are the current rankings..the fight for Pizza! Pizza is on..
  • - Iowa 5-0 9-0
  • - Penn State 4-1 8-1
  • - Ohio State 4-1 7-2
  • - Wisconsin 3-2 6-2
    Minnesota 3-3 5-4
    Michigan State 3-3 4-5
    Northwestern 2-3 5-4
    Purdue 2-3 3-6
    Michigan 1-4 5-4
    Indiana 1-4 4-5
    Illinois 1-5 2-6

by psu1313 on Nov 1, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok...so here's the analysis

Obviously the Big 10 has 4 teams bowl eligible. IF 2 teams go to the BCS, the Big 10 may have a hard time filling it’s slots. Iowa, PSU, Ohio State, and Wisconsin are already bowl eligible which means 4 teams from the remaining 7 need at least 6 wins. Here is the list of remaining opponents….

Minnesota – Illinois, South Dakota State, Iowa
MSU – W. Michigan, Purdue, PSU
NW – Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin
Purdue – Michigan, MSU, Indiana
Michigan – Purdue, Wisconsin, OSU
Indiana – Wisconsin, PSU, Purdue
Illinois – Minnesota, NW, Cincinatti, Fresno State

Purdue and Illinois need to win out and nothing has told me that either can do that. MSU needs to beat Purdue or face going into the PSU game with their bowl hopes in the balance. Michigan also better beat Purdue. Indiana is a long shot with their remaining schedule. Their will be more clarity after this upcoming week but it’s safe to say that Minnesota is the only team I feel really sure about getting that 6th win and only because they’re playing South Dakota State. Otherwise, the rest of the games someone has to win and it’s a real crapshoot.

by psu1313 on Nov 1, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Purdue and Illinois aren’t winning out.

Indiana and MSU each need two wins; MSU should beat WMU and Purdue. Indiana’s season probably hinges on whether or not they can upset Wisco this weekend, since I don’t fancy their chances against PSU. I think Wisco would have to play pretty bad to lose to Indiana, which would rule them out.

Minny, Michigan, and NW each need one win and each has a decent shot to get that — Purdue for Michigan and Illinois for NW. Minny should beat either Illinois or SDSU, if not both.

If I had to guess, Minny goes 7-5, MSU goes 6-6, Michigan goes 6-6, and NW goes 6-6. Assuming the B10 gets two teams into the BCS, that probably puts Minny in the Champs Sports (I think they pick ahead of the Alamo this year), Michigan in the Alamo, Michigan St in the Insight, and NW in the Pizza! Pizza! Bowl — although I imagine $$$ could lift Michigan and Michigan St past Minnesota. It does seem like Michigan will be missing the Pizza! Pizza! Bowl even if they wind up 6-6, though.

by RossWB on Nov 1, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

frisky dingo

=awesome

BALLS OF STEEL RICKY! BALLS OF STEEL!!!!!!

by HAWKEYESBABY on Nov 1, 2009 9:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What *used* to get the crowd going...

was a score on the opening drive. That was pretty common place back in the Banks/Tate era. As I recall, KOK had the first 10 plays scripted. We took the field in a no-huddle Peyton-esque fashion and crammed the ball down the opponents collective cock-holsters. These days it seems that we are just fiddle-fucking around on the first 3 or 4 series and hoping that Donahue (or a Stanziball) can pin down the opponents close to their endzone.

Oh, and Wegher is awesome when he can get to the corner. We should be tailoring some plays just for him to get to the edge. He is FAST, but not strong enough (yet) to break through a D-lineman/LB tackle up the middle.

KOK, you might be a genius...

by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 2, 2009 7:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It seems to me,

watching on TV that Wegher is not getting good run blocking, the line isn’t opening any holes, or am I just seeing things?

by Zulu on Nov 2, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's certainly part of it

The line has not been itself this year. However, it’s also true that he’s not really great at reading blocks yet (he’s missed some open cut back lanes, which you can’t do in this offense), and tends to go down pretty easily. He’s still a freshman, so I’m sure all that will come with time, but he’s not quite there yet.

by NorseHawk on Nov 2, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's all true.

OPS and I were also wondering if he wasn’t somehow unconsciously lining up in a way that sort of tipped off the opposing team to the fact that it was a run play, which is why there have been defenders in the backfield so often when he’s been in the game, leading to lots of negative or ultra-short gains. I dunno if it’s that true or not, but it’s certainly been curious.

by RossWB on Nov 2, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ever since this came up

I’ve been trying to really watch Wegher pre-snap to see if there’s anything I see that, after the play, could be some sort of tell. Haven’t seen anything yet, but my “study” is far from conclusive.

Thought Wegher looked like a much better back Saturday, all day and not just the fourth quarter. Was breaking some tackles and finding the holes better for almost the entire game. Just got away from him in the 3rd quarter (and why the hell was Paki in there at all?, talk about a runner that can’t take ANY contact).

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 2, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I thought he looked solid all game on Saturday.

A bad play here or there, probably, but overall a very nice performance. Obviously we can’t read too much into it yet, since it is Indiana, but still encouraging to see him playing well. I wish we would have ran the ball with him more in the third quarter… just try and eat up clock and get to the fourth quarter when the wind will be at our backs.

RE: Paki… they keep giving him opportunities and he keeps struggling. At least he only got, what, one (maybe two?) series of snaps the other day. He did make a nice catch and run on a play, though.

by RossWB on Nov 2, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Paki

They need to give Brandon a rest once and awhile, and there really isn’t any other option unless they burn Rodger’s redshirt, which they seem reluctant to do. I’m not really sure why they’re so scared of doing that either, they can always redshirt him next year when there’s going to be four sophomores ahead of him on the depth chart anyway.

by NorseHawk on Nov 2, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I believe

that if they take Roger’s redshirt off, they can’t do it again next year since it’s 75% of the way through the season.

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Nov 2, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No such rule exists

the rule is simply, one play consitutes a season of play. Students are allowed four seasons of on-field play, but five years of participation. In a redshirt year, you may dress out, practice, travel, etc. but if you play one down, it is a season’s worth of eligibility. No play in that season affords you the opportunity to declare it a redshirt season.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 2, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for the clarification.

That was always an area I never really had understood.

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Nov 2, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Iowa used to have its first 10 plays scripted and had...

huge success scoring on the opening drive! Any idea what happened to that strategy?

KOK, you might be a genius...

by hawkeye_heartattack on Nov 2, 2009 1:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

They still do it somewhat...

but Stanzi can check-out of almost anything, and that’s a good thing. He has saved our ass on a number of occasions. But, for the purposes of comparison, when we play Ohio State you will witness a QB who cannot check out of a hotel without fucking it up.

KOK trys to insert a number of plays that tip the hand of the opposing D-coordinator. That is why our halftime adjustments have been so good. Stanzi and KOK cover all that and then attack.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 2, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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