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The Takeaway: Arkansas State

Sure, Iowa just eked out a win against Arkansas State, 24-21. But how much do we really know? What was really important about beating A-State? What does it all mean, Basil? The Takeaway has the answer.

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Things that were not a problem: Rush defense. There, that's the whole list.

Well, that went just great: We had said before the game that we wanted to see the following things:

We need to see that Bulaga and the rest of the line are up to speed. We need to see that Stanzi can start putting a team away from the first snap. We need to see that the defense can bring its A game when it doesn't need to. We need to see that Tony Moeaki can play four quarters without injuring himself. Okay, just the first three would be fine.

Okay, that would be a NO, KINDA BUT NO, NO, and ROR NO. Bryan Bulaga looked, frankly, like someone who had missed three weeks of gameplay. Stanzi had a good first half, but after his third touchdown of the game to open the second half, Bad Ricky finally showed up and brought A-State back from the brink. The defense was middling, though the rushing score streak remained intact (more on that in a bit). And at the very least, Moeaki is practicing again with the intent to play against Michigan. Fingers crossed.

What ended up happening isn't that it was a "trap game" or that ASU had any reasonable shot of winning. It's that a combination of lackluster focus, a four-year starter opposing quarterback, and poor playcalling helped get a clearly inferior team back into the game when they had no business being there as Iowa (successfully) played not to lose. In other words, it wasn't UNI 2009, but Purdue 2008. Remember that one? Shonn Greene goes bananas on Frank Duong, but a middling second half and random small mistakez aplenti means Purdue climbs back in late and the final's only 22-17.

The good news? You might remember what happened when Iowa had a more high-profile game the ensuing week. Kinnick North, bitches. In other words, you may not want to spend too much time extrapolating doom-and-gloom scenarios from this game. Maybe.

Star-divide

Hey, this play's working. Let's almost never run it: First, we have to talk about the playcalling. This was a 24-21 game that frankly ought to have been about 42-14. That Marvin McNutt only had four catches and 121 yards is a damned travesty, because he was bitchmaking like his name was Iowa Defense.

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We would suggest calling McNutt "The bitchmaker," but come on; his name is Marvin McNutt.
That'll do.

We're just astounded that the Iowa coaches didn't attack the ASU corners and safeties outside the hashes more often. It's clearly not that Stanzi doesn't have the arm for it; all three of his touchdown passes were pretty, and the couple failed attempted to go downfield didn't exactly seem to us like signs that the deep ball was closed for business. And yet time and time again, it was stretch zones, usually to the right (where Julian Vandervelde was channeling his 2007 self and getting utterly worked). Either that or play-action passes within 10 yards, which, whatever guys.

We're not saying that Iowa needed to pull a RUTS for the rankings' sake or any of that nonsense. That stuff does not matter unless it's time for the type of talk that everyone agrees is premature: BCS. No, the problem is that Iowa could have put A-State away by throwing wheel and fade routes all day long (see the second half of Northwestern, 2007) and they just wouldn't go downfield.

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This should have happened like five times.

It didn't help, of course, when Stanzi gave the Red Wolves their second touchdown with one of the most horrendously lazy and ill-advised throws we've ever seen in Division I football. That is not an exaggeration. If Stanzi had turned around and tried to punt the ball through Iowa's uprights, it would have not have been a considerably worse decision than that throw. If Jake Christensen had done that, JC6 would have been murdered by a sniper in the press booth before he could get to the sideline, and the police wouldn't have bothered looking for the shooter. Hell, it would have been the largest cheer from the crowd on the day. Holy shit what a terrible fucking throw. That throw gave my eyes AIDSAWAC (Auto-Immune Deficiency Syndrome Also With Ass Cancer).

But why are the coaches even calling for a clearly hobbled DJK to run an underneath route, especially on 3rd down and with the linebackers playing short zone all day long? It's hard to figure out who put Iowa in less position to succeed there. That's like running a reverse with "Mr. 4.8 40" Dominique Douglas in the fourth quarter of a bowl game where you're losing by one point and oh wait this is Iowa and never mind I should expect the horror by now.

So the streak's still going. Great?: Okay, on one hand, it's really cool that Iowa has now gone for eight games and another quarter without letting someone rush into the end zone, and it's even better that they've won each of the nine games that streak encompasses.

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This, as you might have guessed, was not a touchdown.

But if Iowa's still giving up long drives and touchdowns, then it doesn't really matter how the other team gets into the end zone, does it? We're taking nothing away from the Iowa rush defense, of course; their efforts have been massive, and 25 rushes for 80 yards allowed is all sorts of studly, especially as ASU was gathering just 5.4 yards per pass play.

Still, for the second week in a row, the opposition put forward an interminable drive - this one for a touchdown, unlike PSU's 20-play field goal drive - where Iowa couldn't stop the 3rd down conversion (okay, they did once, but that was an easy 4th and 1 conversion after a 3rd and 27, which is unconscionable in its own right). Part of it is missing Shaun Prater, to be sure, and Prater's going to be back against Michigan. No more Willie Lowe is a good thing at this point, and lord only knows how bad Greg Castillo would have been out there.

Look, the streak's going ot end at some point, and odds are that it'll probably be during an Iowa victory--Iowa's favored by about a touchdown against Michigan, and we can't imagine that they'll be underdogs in any more than two of the final seven games of the season. Someone's going to take a pass to the one, then push one in for a score; either that, or they'll pull a Wisconsin 2008 and run wild on a defense comprised of Iowa's 3rd stringers, band members, and yippie dogs in Hawkeye sweaters. And that'll be that, really; after all, since the win streak started against Penn State, we can't remember when Iowa's red zone rush defense has even mattered to the endgame. Maybe Arizona, but eh. Cool stat, but ultimately trivial.

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Not trivial: Karl Klug's desire to kill.

 

And finally, it comes. This is a big week. BHGP's doing the Iowa-Michigan tailgate, and it looks like we'll be setting up shop in the Myrtle Lot and getting started at around 9 a.m. on Saturday. We were angling for parking passes closer to Kinnick, but when they're running over $200 a pop... on the prior Sunday... yes, that's a bad sign. It probably isn't even worth asking if there's any BHGP readers who won't be using their passes for next week's game, right? Either way, let's do this, bitches. We've got the Kahlua and cream if you've got the Swedish Goose.

 

 

(Picture credits: Hunter picture and second McNutt picture: John Schulz, Quad City Times; all others below the fold, Matthew Holst, Press-Citizen)

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I usually like OPS' take on these things

…but I’m waiting with bated breath for SmokintheReiff’s and McNutt Butter’s takes. They have that outside the box take that you usually can’t find in the MSM.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 5, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Did you really expect anything different offensively?

I mean, KOK is still calling plays correct? Correct.
Defensively lets not forget that 1 of those touchdowns was courtesy of Stanziball for 75 yards, meaning The Iowa D only gave up 7 points for about 50 minutes of this game (against a not-too-shabby qb).
I’m not fretting about what happened on Saturday. Bulaga will be back to normal, we will get Wegher and Robinson running wild, and Clayborn and Klug will be eating small children all day as usual.

"My momma always said, 'It's better to eat shit than to not eat at all.'" --Rube Baker

by McNutt Butter on Oct 5, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

We will ALWAYS be limited offensively...........

KK(no “O”) is KF’s BFF and will be the OC for eternity. As long as that is the case, we will always struggle to move the ball consistently. ALWAYS!

by Bluzmn on Oct 6, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some numbers for you........

In this decade, IOWA’s national rank in total offense:
2000 – 102
2001 – 45
2002 – 13
2003 – 92
2004 – 83 (tie)
2005 – 27
2006 – 32
2007 – 102
2008 – 53
2009 – 74 (includes ASU game)

The first year of this staff (1999) was atrocious so I am pretty sure it didn’t rank any higher. To sum up: only four appearances in the top-40 and only one in the top-25 (a year with an almost all-NFL line, eventual Outland winner, Heisman runner-up, Mackey winner, Groza winner).

In other words……Go DEE-FENSE!

by Bluzmn on Oct 8, 2009 5:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

"If Stanzi had turned around and tried to punt the ball through Iowa's uprights, it would have not have been a considerably worse decision than that throw."

Journalism Gold there. That sentence made my day.

It seems as though regardless if we’re the better team or not, we’ve managed to raise/lower ourselves exactly to the level of play of the opposition. Granted, they’ve all been wins, but some consistency would keep a good portion of us from dying from heart attacks before we plan on dying from liver failure.

I have occupational turrettes... My job makes me swear uncontrolably at everyone.

by Ioweegin on Oct 5, 2009 4:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I also completely agree on the journalism gold with the punting of the ball through the uprights.

"My momma always said, 'It's better to eat shit than to not eat at all.'" --Rube Baker

by McNutt Butter on Oct 5, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fucking awesome

screen name btw.

I have occupational turrettes... My job makes me swear uncontrolably at everyone.

by Ioweegin on Oct 5, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

It came down to that and “WOW, Willie Lowe Sucks Huge Huge Huge Horsecock”. I decided on McNutt Butter

"My momma always said, 'It's better to eat shit than to not eat at all.'" --Rube Baker

by McNutt Butter on Oct 5, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not "Willie Lowe is the black Adam Shada"

That way, it’s a little more family friendly?

Or, to be more p.c.

“Willie Lowe is the African-American Adam Shada”
or
“Willie Lowe is the Adam Shada of color”

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 6, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's not that bad

Lowe has at least been a decent nickle back in previous games, and has the excuse of being a freshman. Adam Shada was universally useless for four years.

by NorseHawk on Oct 6, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

The shaded Shada?

Yes? No? Probably not?

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Oct 6, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 6, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 6, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

There it is!

My work here is done.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 6, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fucking Awesome

screen name btw.

I have occupational turrettes... My job makes me swear uncontrolably at everyone.

by Ioweegin on Oct 5, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

No Mention of the Frontflip

I expected some sort of joke about the frontflip by Big Man who caught the Stanziball-6.

by Yabbs on Oct 5, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, what's there to take away from that?

Other than I hope the fucker fell on a landmine that some rascally groundskeepers had planted there.

No such luck.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Oct 5, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Having been in DSM on Saturday for my fiancee's cousin's wedding

I was relegated to yelling at Willie Lowe via uberslow mobile twitter and was banned from enjoying the Swedish Goose all morning. That said, FUCK am I excited for Saturday.

Stanzi appears to be settling down, despite his second half meltdown. I just wish Ricky’s STANZIBALLs didn’t usually result in 6 points for the bad guys. I still think we handle Michigan, and cover the spread, but Wisconsin is starting to scare me a bit.

Also, I’m still bitter about the blackout.

by The Mexican't on Oct 5, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

NorseHawk's Black Iowa Shirt=Victory

This has been proven repeatedly this season. Why do you hate victory, The Mexican’t?

by NorseHawk on Oct 5, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just really love my "Under the Lights"/ "Gold Bowl I" photo from the OSU game in 2006

And think that L(H)KS looks phenomenal in gold at night. The black may turn out great, but every time I look up from my monitor and see that panoramic photo, I smile.

by The Mexican't on Oct 5, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or just make some new good memories to replace the old bad ones.

And I still have fond memories of everything about that day until the kickoff.

by RossWB on Oct 5, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The signs at Gameday for that game were hilarious

That is what I remember the most about that day prior to the game itself. My favorites “Lou Holtsch Schpit On Me” and, simply, “Pam Ward’s Dick.”

by Twin Cities Hawk on Oct 6, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed...

“I want to bohn Linda Cohn.”

It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's just that I don't care

by Colteyes on Oct 6, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite was

“Troy Smith likes Unicorns”

by Hank Thrasher on Oct 6, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wisconsin is really starting to scare the shit out of me

They finally have a quarterback who knows what the forward pass is. It also helps they have their prototypical big and nasty RB with nimble feet. Add to that, every Wisconsin fan has our game scheduled due to the beat down we gave them and I’m starting to dread that matchup.

by Twin Cities Hawk on Oct 6, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

You and me both

It was only a matter of time until Wisky realized the forward pass was in fact a legal play in college football and found a QB actually capable of executing it. Still not completely sold on Clay though, he tends to be hot one game, average the next. Hopefully we’ll get him on one of his blah games.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 6, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't give a shit

if everyone is at the game wearing brown shirts that say “we love eating asshole”….if the Hawks are winning who gives a fuck what color the shirts are.

IMO I like the idea of the blackout at night as long as the temperature isnt 0 degrees causing the blaze orange to come out as stated earlier.

"My momma always said, 'It's better to eat shit than to not eat at all.'" --Rube Baker

by McNutt Butter on Oct 5, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Evening in October

Good chance it’s going to be 40s and you’ll see a slew of orange or red or whatever the fuck color people’s coats are.

On another note, how will we be identifying the location of the tailgate in the Myrtle lot? Does someone have a ginormous BHGP or penis flag flying?

It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's just that I don't care

by Colteyes on Oct 5, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're working on that one

I will say that I’m hitting the Ped Mall Friday night in full Leman gear.

Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.

by Hawkeye State on Oct 5, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey

I have a brown t-shirt that says "we love eating asshole". I will be sure to sport that for the game.

see you there!

I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here

by Gabby Johnson on Oct 5, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

Very nice, I will be looking for you on tv. Also I like the picture, Blazing Saddles is a classic

"My momma always said, 'It's better to eat shit than to not eat at all.'" --Rube Baker

by McNutt Butter on Oct 5, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

“who are you?”

“I’m the new guy.”

“Oh, the NEW guy…”

by cutlassbob on Oct 6, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I made a t-shirt out of

that Tyler “Motherfucking” Sash pic that someone made…..I hope I am not breaking any copyright laws.

by J.R. Angle has a posse on Oct 6, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Myrtle lot is still pretty close to Kinnick

Also like 5 minutes from my apartment, so I approve of this decision.

by NorseHawk on Oct 5, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll have to check a map--where exactly is the Myrtle lot, again?

I park at a relative’s place in U Heights for the games, so I have no idea where the official lots are, which is not surprising since there are many important places of which I have no idea are.

Have some other committments that day, but if I find out where the Myrtle lot are be, I will try and be over there are.

If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.

by The Director on Oct 5, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Attempt at explaining

I’ll give you my attempt at explaining where it is and you’ll see the reason why I’m not a teacher (besides the shitty pay and my incredible hate for snot nosed kids).

Right off Riverside Dr. there’s a big fucking hill and at the top of said hill is the Myrtle Parking lot. There’s also access to it through the law lot (at the Law building), right off Melrose Street, East of the stadium (there’s a path that goes over a bridge then up a little hill to the lot).

Again, I’m shitty at explaining things so you may just want to forget this ever happened.

It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's just that I don't care

by Colteyes on Oct 5, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here is a map from Kinnick to the Mylrtle lot

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=41.658629,-91.551197&daddr=41.653932,-91.543128&hl=en&geocode=FQWpewIdIwqL-g%3B&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=16&dirflg=w&sll=41.654846,-91.546347&sspn=0.014157,0.014935&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16

by Hank Thrasher on Oct 5, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, after following the link

Technically, the directions are from Kinnick to Myrtle. I’d hate to confuse SmokinTheReiff.

by The Mexican't on Oct 5, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Myrtle is actually pretty close to...

Greenwood Ave. Which is a pretty EPIC street I would say.

by Argulor on Oct 5, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Greenwood runs into Myrtel right next to the lot

There has been many a day where I’ve considered afixing a homemade “EPIC” sign to the top of the Greenwood street sign. But that would be pretty fucking nerdy, and he’s actually been pretty good this year, so I have resisted.

by NorseHawk on Oct 5, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still learning to get around Iowa City

and this is possibly A Stupid Question™, but is there any kind of a timeline to when to show up; or is it just whenever everyone is sober-ish enough to gather?

I have occupational turrettes... My job makes me swear uncontrolably at everyone.

by Ioweegin on Oct 5, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I felt sick after watching the game on TV

I’ve never felt that bad after a W. (unless you count political shit)

by HawkeyeRecon on Oct 5, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions  

MCNUTT THIS

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by ChryslerKinnick on Oct 5, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Uh....

What????

"My momma always said, 'It's better to eat shit than to not eat at all.'" --Rube Baker

by McNutt Butter on Oct 5, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I might swing by the BHGP tailgate

My idiot cousin decided to throw his bachelor party this Saturday, severely limiting my allotted tailgate time, and I’m usually way out in bumfuck Egypt Finkbine commuter lot, but I’m planning on swinging by some other tailgates if time permits. I will however be wearing my “WHO’S THE MANZI?” shirt with pride.

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Oct 5, 2009 11:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Game notes: rushing TD stat; the vertical game; Vince Lombardi; Trent Dilfer sighting

I think you’re undervaluing the rushing TD stat, for two reasons.

One, it correlates with our total scoring defense of about 10 ppg (points scored on the D not the offense). (83 defensive points allowed in the last 8.25 games, and that includes a couple of garbage time scores.) This is simply BCS-caliber D. If you give up 10 a game, you’re going to win 10 of 12. (That is, if you still have most of your toes and fingers; see below.)

Two, it means we’re not giving up ANY big plays on the ground. Zero rushing TDs is better, even, than zero red zone rushing TDs. It means we are accomplishing many of our goals on defense, which is to make teams prove they can execute the long drives. I think this is the biggest question in regard to the Michigan game, given UM’s depth, speed and scheme. If we do to UM what Rhoads did to the same offense for Pitt (13-9, 2007, v. WVU) it means we are for real. But Michigan has the playmakers. I thought Binns had an extremely quiet game against ASU, and if our DE’s don’t show up against Michigan it will be extremely unpleasant, and not just when the nattering triumphalist Michigan blogging notes rain down like confetti.

Watching the game I was stunned at the degree to which they gave us the vertical game. It was great to make McNutt a star for a day, but you know that if Fry had seen the ASU D shrugging and telling Stanzi, “You aren’t good enough to beat us, so good luck, and btw if you think you are good enough to beat us, it’s even money you’ll make 2-3 mistakes so you beat yourselves”, we would have thrown for 500 yards and 6 TDs. I don’t recall seeing a D-I game ever where a team just said, “Throw long, we don’t give a shit.” ASU showed contempt for our passing game. Of course, we did too, but I gather we were “working on something”, or whatever it is we do when we gameplan a team and it turns out that something we didn’t gameplan actually works, the OC goes into full-on autistic idiot savant cognitive dissonance mode, apparently watching a game no one else can see. Who among you thinks there is DC who will not make Stanzi carry the offense now? It’s like watching a child play with M-80s. Extremities are going to disappear, and we just hope no one loses an eye.

Question: is Stanzi’s mystery erraticism now infecting the receivers? It’s like we have a different group each week, doing different things. Meanwhile, more psychodrama with DJK, which has worn me out. Play, don’t play, but the DJK watch is now boring.

Lombardi quote that describes our issues on offense, where we may eventually run out of fingers and toes:

“Gentlemen you’re going to be on the field 75 plays. Two or three of those plays will determine the outcome of this game. Unfortunately I can’t tell you which ones they’re going to be. Therefore you’re going to have to play them all.” (Paraphrase by Sonny Jurgensen, discussing Zorn and the Skins this year.)

(Stanzi quote: “I’m 13-3 and you’re not. So STFU.”*)

We clearly are ‘playing’ 100% of the opponents’ rushing plays — that’s just in the results. But the difference between 8-4 and 12-0 is whether or not we waste 5-10 offensive plays per game the rest of the year.

I hear that Trent Dilfer** was seen in town this week. You remember Trent Dilfer: the most disrespected QB ever to win a Super Bowl (2001). And why did the Ravens get to, and win that game? They gave up about 10 ppg, and Trent didn’t screw up when they had the ball. It will be interesting to see if Ferentz runs out of patience with his Mercurial Manzi. I don’t think he will, but I think we can see now why Jake was appreciated by Ferentz over his OC’s objections: Jake coulda been Trent Dilfer, and we coulda been the 2000-2001 Ravens.

*Surprise. This quotation is fabricated.

**This is not true. But it could have been the lede for a satirical piece involving low-variance offenses, stifling defenses, and children playing with light ordinance, eh?

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 6, 2009 6:13 AM CDT reply actions  

The thing with DJK this week wasn't pyschodrama related

He was hurt. It was reported a little bit before the game, and he came up limping badly after his one catch. If he’s healthy, he’ll play, but he clearly wasn’t on Saturday.

by NorseHawk on Oct 6, 2009 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Were Stanzi's hands tied

I realize this is just a reiteration of Bellanca wrote, but I am annoyed, so I am going to say it.

There were so many opportunities that screamed for Stanzi to audible out of run and he didn’t do it. I honestly think at least three times, I saw 9 in the box and we ran. Also, Stanzi really seemed frustrated a couple of times in the third quarter as he walked to the sideline. So, I have to believe the coaches took the plays out of the book, but why? I would have understood if (i) they were up by 21 or even 14; (ii) they didn’t want to show a certain look or package; or (iii) the run game was clicking. But none of those are true, the score was close, they had shown the deep patterns early and they couldn’t run for shit. I really want to believe it is more than KOK’s cognitive dissonance, but I can’t figure out. If they are “working on something” what the hell was it, “getting physically beat by ASU” because, if so, they performed admirably. The only explanation I have, is that KF was so pissed they were half-assing it, he was willing to lose the game to prove a point (i.e., if you can’t physically dominant the LOS against this team, you don’t deserve to win). However, that lose the battle to win the war thought terrifies me.

Iowa Basketball: We don't rebuild, we implode.

by three and out the kok story on Oct 6, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe if he quit throwing it to the other team all the fucking time

They’d be more inclined to give him some freedom and let him air it out a bit more. As it is, he’s still giving the other team enough points that I can understand why they’re not totally comfortable letting him throw deep in close games.

by NorseHawk on Oct 6, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Couple of points

1) Its not Stanzi’s deep ball that is the problem. Rather, it his continued need to throw a delayed out on a flat so the LB and DE can both pick and typically have a wide open shot to the endzone.
2) Running with 8 or 9 in the box is as drive killing as an INT. At least the deep INT isn’t generally returned for 6 and if picked, generally result in a quick tackle, leaving the same net result as a punt.
3) With the typically height advantage of McNutt and Davis, if they are running a go or some variation there of the only results should be catch, overthrow, up for grabs, with at worst getting knocked down.

Iowa Basketball: We don't rebuild, we implode.

by three and out the kok story on Oct 6, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Football's still about arithmetic,

and no one’s going to run if the opponent is 8-9 in the box.

I think we underrate our own defense and further, that KF figured the other guys were going to get their regress-to-the-mean 10 and that’s it.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 6, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Football mimics real life from time to time (or so I think...)

I once had to call an audible once I found out an ex-girlfriend of mine had 8-9 in her box as well.

by Twin Cities Hawk on Oct 6, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think I saw that video

Sure, the first 10-15 minutes were uncomfortable to watch, but then the plot and character development really picks up and its an underrated classic.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 6, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know what you're talking about!

This slander will not stand, sir. Besides,

1. I wasn’t there.
2. That wasn’t me.
3. She said she was 18.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 6, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

The OC's fugal moments.

As in fugue.

Remember the MSU game, 2007? He was hallucinating in that game too. Jake was throwing 55 foot curve balls, and we were blowing their D-line back into the linebackers, and we … kept … trying … to throw.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 6, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

AUUUGH

don’t remind me of that game ever again

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Oct 6, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe the DE's didn't play every down.

One week after destroying PSU, Binns and Clayborn, combined, totaled 2 tackles, 2 assists.

That won’t get it done this week, either.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 6, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tackles aren't a great way to judge d-lineman

Well, they aren’t really a great way to judge defensive players in general, but it’s especially true of the d-line. Both guys were still keeping contain well, and consistently getting pressure on ASU’s QB (who, to his credit, continued to play well in the face of it). The defensive line was the least of our problems in that game.

by NorseHawk on Oct 6, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really annoy you, don't I, NorseHawk.

Not sure why. You’re trying to run me off, I can tell. My every word, scrutinized.

But I just want to be friends.

Anyway, I disagree. You’re in a boatload of trouble against an option/spread/single wing team if your defensive ends are not hitting people. They are what the QB reads on the zone read: the primary QB read in Rodriquez’ offense is the backside end, who is (by design) not blocked. If you are not blocked and you are not getting involved in the play, then the offense is indeed getting the numbers advantage (they don’t waste a blocker on you, and you are not making them pay). Of course, with something like the so-called Wildcat (single-wing), it’s traditional option-pitch in which the DE just tries to cream the QB each play.

I would hope that each time Forcier hands off on their zone plays, and continues his progression backside, he gets his head taken off by one of our ends. That would qualify as backside contain, I would say. Forcier didn’t practice yesterday: he’s too sore (ribs and shoulder).

Binns went from 8 tackles (PSU) to 2 between PSU and ASU. I thought he had a very quiet game. Maybe not.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 6, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I like your long rambling posts! Honest!

People seem to have this idea that I’m, like, angry at them when I disagree with something they say, but I’m honestly just trying to contribute to the discussion. I guess tone translates poorly or something. Anyway, I like talking about football, you like talking about football, we just happen to have different opinions sometimes. This is okay.

Anyway, as for the ends, I thought they were really active yesterday, they just didn’t get to the QB every time. There are ways to judge a DE beyond just tackles and sacks, and they both did well in those areas. They were still forcing him to run for his life and rush throws fairly often, but a combination of unusually poor coverage by the secondary and linebackers and his own talent got him out of trouble a lot.

by NorseHawk on Oct 6, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with NorseHawk on this one.

Tackle (especially for d-lineman) aren’t a great judgement. A D-end could do his job all day and still only have a couple tackles. A lot the responsibilities as far as who has who against this offense will change as far as the play calling goes. In some cases the d-end may just be in charge of contain

"My momma always said, 'It's better to eat shit than to not eat at all.'" --Rube Baker

by McNutt Butter on Oct 6, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go watch the Rodriquez video

on his offense. You’re playing into his hands if “the d-end may just be in charge of contain”. You just gave him what he calls “numbers” if he is standing there saying, “Nope, you can’t run over here, nope.”

And against a veer, bone or traditional option, the d-end is never just in charge of contain. It’s hat on hat, all the way, every play.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 6, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is true

And I’m betting Norm understands it. He did a real nice job shutting down Illinois zone read a couple years ago when Juice and Mendenhall were tearing through the rest of the Big Ten. ASU runs a different scheme though, so the responsibilities are different.

by NorseHawk on Oct 6, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad:

I should have specified that I was still referring to the Ark St game in my post. My apologies. But I do agree with what you say about the numbers game against michigan

"My momma always said, 'It's better to eat shit than to not eat at all.'" --Rube Baker

by McNutt Butter on Oct 6, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Norm may not have all his toes...

but he does have all his brains, and that’s what counts.

I’m not worried in the least about Norm being able to correctly scheme for the UM offense—which we’ve seen in various forms by other teams in the recent past, and not done too badly against.

The teams we struggle with are those with accurate (or untimely-accurate) QB’s who dink and dunk us on 5-15 yard passes all day, tire our defense, kill clock, and keep the ball from our offense.

In other words, UNI.

About the offense: Stanzi indeed did somehow not check out of sure-stuff runs plays multiple times—once on a crucial 3rd and a few—and I about went nuts. I don’t know whose call this was, KOK or KF or Stanzi’s, but it was the wrong thing to do.

Not attacking their D on more long passes was the wrong thing to do, too.

It’s all a mystery to me, the things we do sometimes out there.

If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.

by The Director on Oct 6, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know I saw Binns running men down like a tiger at points

It didn’t show up in the stats. But they moved the pocket a lot to avoid them, and Leonard did well keeping plays alive with his feet, long enough for a receiver to get free of Willie Lowe. Senior presence at the QB spot was responsible for a lot of the D-Line’s “struggles”.

But there were definitely 9 in the box at times. And each O-linemen had an ole’ block once or twice. The O-line wasn’t very sharp. Don’t know what that means.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 6, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite analysis of Iowa YTD:

EDSBS (real or imagined, no clue), on MGOBLOG last Saturday:

“Iowa as a national title contender would be awesome.They’d win by two, and you’d feel filthy about what you just watched.”

Or, a verifiable EDSBS here (scan down to “C”):

Football as sludge

I think the point is that we are not a top-50 team in any offensive category, but you will not score, Klug will descend on you like a bad guy in a Thomas Harris novel, Sash will intercept your passes and steal your girlfriend, and, despite the handicap of playing with 7 toes and 8 fingers by the fourth quarter, our QB will probably do something remarkable.

Ricky Stanzi says, remember, “I’m 13-3, and you’re not.”*

Norm Parker says, “Hey, enough on the toe jokes.”

*NotRicky Stanzi, rather.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 6, 2009 6:38 AM CDT reply actions  

That sounds familiar

“Iowa as a national title contender would be awesome.They’d win by two, and you’d feel filthy about what you just watched.”

Remind you of OSU 2002, anyone?

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Oct 6, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I recommend following that EDSBS link

The Iowa paragraph was keyboard destroying funny, and the rest is as good.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 6, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Off-topic

Is there an Iowa gamewatch location in DC?

by nyk3 on Oct 6, 2009 8:57 AM CDT reply actions  

It's been a while since I lived there

But there was a place out in Crystal City in Arlington. I want to say the Crystal City Pub, but I’m not positive that’s the right place.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 6, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Crystal City Sports Pub

is still the correct location. I just visited a friend of mine who lives in Bethesda, and that’s where we went to watch the game when I was out there.

They took the bar, the whole damn bar!

by recoveringfratguy on Oct 6, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seconded

A great scene there all around. I once spotted a Kansas State contingent there. Who knew?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 6, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

 Be sure to get there early especially if you want a seat. It’s a surprisingly big draw.

by HawkeyeInDC on Oct 6, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

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