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Smart Football on the MSU Winner

Yes, we know it's time to talk about the Indiana game, but when Smart Football wants to talk about MSU some more, well, we listen.

Anyway, what was the key to the slant dagger in Sparty's heart last weekend? Aside from a great throw and catch, the MSU fans' lament was that the Spartans didn't put a man in underneath coverage to take away the slant to Marvin McNutt. Small problem: Ricky Stanzi probably wouldn't have thrown the slant if there was a zone on... and he knew there wasn't.

Star-divide

How did Stanzi know? By watching MSU respond to Moeaki going in motion. We'll let Chris Brown take it from here:

This leads to the other aspect of the play, the wrinkle that helped it succeed: The motion by the H-back/tight-end before the snap. He began on the left side of the formation and motioned across. Why was this relevant? Watch the clip above again. What did Michigan State do? A single defender followed the H-back across — a clear indicator that the defense was in man coverage. Knowing this, Stanzi knew that his backside receiver was one-on-one, and he went to him.

But what if they hadn’t reacted this way? Had Michigan State, rather than having a man follow the H-back instead "bumped across" so that a defender on the offense’s left merely repositioned slightly to account for the new receiver, this would have indicated that the play was zone. And unless the zone was very unbalanced to the single receiver, Stanzi would have no doubt looked to the three receiver side as a kind of flood for the zone. His read would have been the flat defender: if he widened for the tight-end in the flat, the slant should be open; if he hangs back then the tight-end ought to be open in the flat.

There's also video of the play at the site if you haven't seen it 50 times in a row by now (you have, right?). Good stuff, and a good reminder that there's more that goes into quarterbackin' than is immediately evident even before the snap.

It also makes you wonder what KOK was thinking when he called a fade. That MSU would put men in underneath coverage? Possibly. To have been a fly in that sideline huddle...

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Yup. That's the same way I read defenses in NCAA 2010.

Of course, in NCAA 2010 DE’s and LB’s have 48" verticals and can catch passes while facing the other direction, so reading coverages can be very tricky.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 30, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel what you guys are saying

If you play online, an average defender becomes an all american and an all american becomes hall of fame.

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Oct 30, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's even worse if its quantum teleportation

They fuckin’ arrive before the play is even CALLED. Shit.

by Leftcoast Hawk on Oct 30, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah this is pretty elementary stuff

i’ve used it in Madden for yrs. put a guy in motion, see if anyone follows him. if so they’re in man and you run to the weak side. if not, run to the strong side. same applies to pass plays – isolate or flood depending on man/zone coverage.

not to say that playing a cpu is anything like the real thing. just not sure why anyone (Chris Brown) would devote two paragraphs to breaking it down. i guess writing/reading about the win never gets old.

by KentuckyThunderPussy on Oct 30, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Like Smart Football says, though, more sophisticated D's can disguise this stuff

I effing love their site. For the fan who was never a player, learning the intricacies of zone blocking and smash routes is football porn.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 30, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You and me both...

I specifically get off on trying to figure out no huddle offenses on their pre-snap counts, hand motions, audibles, etc. Obviously it’s difficult from the TV or the stands, but it’s fun watching them and attempting to discern what’s going on. The last Sunday night game was a good example; Collinsworth pointed out Eli calling “omaha” to set the snap, and there were a number of other words he used to call certain changes.

/O'keefe'd

by Smokin Herb Grigbsy on Oct 30, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw the Omaha too

And so did the Cardinals, who were jumping the snap because Eli was calling Omaha and waiting two seconds for the snap…Noticing that, Eli switched to calling Omaha twice…

The Rivalry, Esq.
"Ya know, I love Columbus...Oh shit...Kick me in the fucking face. I meant, I love Ann Arbor."

by grahamfiller10 on Oct 30, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Omaha aside...

Eli was getting bitchmade a lot of the game…

by Leftcoast Hawk on Oct 30, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice to see...

that we currently have more brain power being put into these things: reading zone defenses, cracking NFL snap counts, and playing Madden/NCAA football video games…

than we have hunting down Usama and Al-qaeda.

You can put me in the group who plays NCAA football video games.

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, well excuse us, Mr. Walsh.

…wait, aren’t you supposed to be dead?

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Oops Pow Surprise on Oct 30, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill Walsh...

was too much of a genius to die.

Hi, my name is Chazz, and I’m a Niners fan.

(Everyone at the Niners Anonymous meeting responds) “Hi, Chazz.”

I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.

-- Judge Smails

by WaterlooChazz on Oct 30, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't you understand?

What that’s about is someone with more than a pea-sized brain, who knows shit about football, saying that the Hawks aren’t just lucky (wihtout using those words). He’s saying that the final play was the result of a well designed play that was run to perfection, which is the result of a football team knowing how to read a defense that hasn’t adjusted to stop them.
It wasn’t that McNutt was “lucky” to be open enough to catch that pass, it’s that the play was executed properly. If the D doesn’t man up we throw to a different receiver. Maybe we catch it, and maybe we don’t, but that catch was the result of Smart Football.

by Eyeheartfreedumb on Oct 30, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would second this,

though I’ll be surprised if Brown ever gets on the Hawkeye bandwagon. I detect a polite silence in regard to Iowa. Brown likes deception, surprise, and is bored by pro style Os.

Anyway, I was stunned at how open Stross was. DKJ is out of the frame, but reported to be open also. But Stross had a yard on his guy.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 31, 2009 6:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ricky Stanzi's vision must have been like the scenes in "A Beautiful Mind"

where the words in the newspapers jumped out with color highlighting behind them.

Either that, or he’s just the greatest badass in a football uniform this season.

"Oh no, don't do that, don't do that. If you shoot him, you'll just make him mad." - The Waco Kid

by HawkOnRails on Oct 30, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love the expression on DJK's face in the huddle before the final play

He is royaly pissed and instantly I knew that he was not going to be catching the winning catch.

by CooterDavenhawk on Oct 30, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good call, Cooter, I noticed that too

It was a very “Scottie Pippen is pissed that Phil gave the game-winning shot to Toni Kukoc” type of moment.

No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer

by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Oct 30, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Play before

I think it was also reaction from a play or two before. I am pretty sure he was wide freaking open.

Iowa Basketball: We don't rebuild, we implode.

by three and out the kok story on Oct 30, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was absurdly open in the middle of the endzone

on the play where Stanzi tried to throw the STANZIBALLIEST of STANZIBALLS to a triple-covered Moeaki.

It was a little odd that I don’t recall Stanzi throwing DJK’s way on any of the last four plays. There was the horrible pass to Moeaki, the pass thrown behind Stross, the McNutt TD, and… well, I don’t recall the fourth pass, but I don’t think it was going DJK’s way.

He did almost make the catch of the season on that deep pass from Stanzi in the front right corner of the end zone earlier in the drive.

by RossWB on Oct 30, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ball to DJK

was the one over his shoulder that went through his hands.

"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me

by BStylin Hawkye on Oct 30, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saw that too

Obviously, he’s not with the program.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 30, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that and got scared

I was afraid KOK might be calling some crazy reverse or trick play that never works in the endzone.

by HawkeyeRecon on Oct 30, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watching the Game Again

on BTN last night made me appreciate just how resilient this team is. When I watched it live, the level of emotion running through me was enough to kill me, and then bring me back a millisecond later. I think my blood pressure went through a swing from dangerously low (the MSU touchdown reception) to dangerously high (Iowa wins! WOOO MOTHERFUCKERS! WE’RE 8-0! AAAAAHHHHH! GIVE ME A SHOT OF JACK NOW!).

I caught a lot of things during the replay last night that I overlooked during the game. For instance, I didn’t see the hundreds of blown calls that I was imagining on Saturday night. You could clearly see where McNutt was telling KoK about his man covering him, and when they decided to go with him for the win.

They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!

by recoveringfratguy on Oct 30, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I watched it last night too (though via my DVR'd copy rather than the one on BTN).

It was interesting to watch again. It seemed like a much better game than I remembered it being, which I chalk up to being so nervous about being there in person and being able to see plays from better angles.

A few things stood out to me:

1) The left side of the line was very, very good at run blocking for a good chunk of that game. The MSU fans around me were derisively commenting that we didn’t have many plays on offense beside “run left,” but fuck – when it gets you 4-6 yards a pop the way it was at times last weekend, why stop until MSU proves they can stop it? But Bulaga and Reiff may be developing into the left side of the line that we all fancied Bulaga and Dace might become earlier in the season. Reiff’s emergence this season has to be one of the most pleasant surprises of the season.

2) Greg Jones was a fucking beast. That dude seemed like he was EVERYWHERE making tackles. He reminded me of Abdul Hodge in that regard. I will have no beef with him getting a nod for 1st team All-Big Ten.

3) Wegher ran pretty well. I know we talked earlier this week about how he’s struggled more the past few weeks and he didn’t get a ton of carries in the game, but I thought he looked better (aside from one or two plays where he just got blown up in the backfield — not sure that was really his fault)… running more confidently and with a pretty good burst.

4) That goalline stand by the Iowa defense isn’t getting as much love as it deserves. While you could argue that Iowa got a little too cute with its goalline playcalling, Sparty definitely didn’t — there’s nothing cute about nutting up and trying to pound it in from a yard or two out. The stop Angerer and Edds made on 2nd down (I think that was the down) was outstanding: they got great leverage and managed to push the MSU RB back, even though he was inches away from the endzone.

5) It seems like sometimes there’s a switch Clayborn turns on to go from “good defensive end” to “holy god unstoppable man-bear killing machine.” Which is not to imply that he doesn’t give his all every play or anything like that — I just think that maybe he figures out something about the guy(s) trying to block him, changes something in his own approach, and then just goes on a tear. His two sacks were great – Cousins almost looked like he went down immediately upon seeing Clayborn barreling at him on the first one to avoid getting hammered and on the second one Clayborn got him from the blindside and WAS able to hammer him.

And, on a related note, Binns’ ability to get his freakishly long arms up to deflect passes is a great boon to the defense — I think he deflected a couple passes in that game, to add to the 5-6 he already has this season; I looked at the stats and he’s the only defensive lineman to rank in the Top 10 in the Big 10 in pass break-ups. And that doesn’t even account for the passes that have to be altered by the QB to avoid getting deflected.

6) Man oh man, those two near-turnovers by MSU on either side of halftime (Hunter’s near-interception and Clayborn’s how-did-he-not-recover-that-fumble) were huge missed opportunities. Hunter had a clear line to the endzone and Clayborn would have set us up inside the MSU 20. Ifs and buts…

by RossWB on Oct 30, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the Clayborn Comment

It seemed like he got amazing penetration in his “holy god unstoppable man-bear killing machine” mode when he didn’t have that Offensive Tackle mugging him on the line with blatant holding. I still was absolutely furious about all the blown holding calls by the refs in that game, and a few other calls that were just plain wrong and piss poor. There was a Pass Interference play that happened directly in front of a referee in the middle of the field, and he didn’t throw a flag. What happens? A flag comes flying in from the Back Judge for Defensive Pass Interference. Just plain bullshit.

Now, I won’t sit here an whine like Dantonio after the game ended, but some of the officiating in that game made it feel as if it was 11 on 18. Oh well, we won, SPARTY NOOOO!!!

They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!

by recoveringfratguy on Oct 30, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
It seemed like he got amazing penetration in his "holy god unstoppable man-bear killing machine" mode when he didn’t have that Offensive Tackle mugging him on the line with blatant holding.

Oh definitely. I really got used to that shit while King was here.

But I agree that it was a little amusing to see the Sparty fans bellowing about the “bad” calls that went against them, but overlooking the calls (or non-calls) that went their way. Although part of that is just the nature of football commentary on the interwebs. It’s not like BHGP would be that different if the situation was flipped.

by RossWB on Oct 30, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been

watching him especially in the past few games. I’ve been breaking down when the guy blocking him finally gets too tired and Clayborn mauls him and then they stop running the ball to that side…or throwing there.

by HAWKEYESBABY on Oct 30, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Irony of the Game

is the fact that MSU ended with more penalties called against them, for a greater number of yards than Iowa did (Iowa – 6 penalties for 38 yards, MSU – 8 penalties for 56 yards).

I’m interested to see how Indiana deals with our D-Line this weekend though. One of the guy’s I work with seems to think that we’ll see a lot of holding from the Indiana O-Line.

They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!

by recoveringfratguy on Oct 30, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one that noticed...

That Stross was wide open on the other side as well. McNutt made an awesome catch and the end result was the same, but when I was watching it live I remember watching Stross from the beginning of the play like it was slow motion and I was ready to scream at the TV when the ball went to McNutt who had a defender right behind him.

Like I said though, end result was the same. I’m happy.

by fugeeu on Oct 30, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All three receivers were "open"

but because they motioned Moeaki, Ricky immediately turned his attention to the short side of the field where there was a lone DB in one-on-one coverage. The fact that Stross and DJK were open is sort of obsolete, due to the fact that the read/call was to throw the ball to McNutt in the case that the defense was in a man coverage scheme. But, I will agree with you, I also initially pointed out how open Stross was as well.

/O'keefe'd

by Smokin Herb Grigbsy on Oct 30, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clearly Stross was open

If you’re SDS in that situation you KNOW you have man coverage on McNutt and no help on that side of the field and that’s your best bet.

There were 3 defenders on the right side of the field and they were man-man too. Theoretically, there could have been help on Stross.

There was no help on Stross but it could have been there as opposed to that not being an option on the McNutt Side

by Internet Legend on Oct 30, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I guess Stanzi was probably looking at McNutt the whole way there knowing he wouldn’t have a lot of time. But, If he wants to continue to throw it into triple coverage he’s got to give the other side a look in that situation!

by fugeeu on Oct 30, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll echo what the other two guys have said...

…and also just say that Stross was the second option on a play that’s not designed to have checkdowns—you just get the ball off ASAP. I’d be defending the pass even if McNutt had dropped it or if it were batted down at the line. That’s a 1-step drop play and Stanzi did it perfectly.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Oops Pow Surprise on Oct 30, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

The second Stanzi saw the MSU player mirroring Moeaki’s motion along the line, he knew McNutt-in-yo-Mouth was all alone on the left side of the formation. Rucker (the MSU DB) was clearly taking outside position. With that, it’s simple pitch-and-catch. It was exactly the right call, regardless of how it ends up.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 30, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two more things...

Stross is not the huge traget that McNutt is and McNutt has trash can lids for hands…the odds are just better with him. If he shields his guy then all you see is McNutt. He’s a big fucking target.

But all wide outs were open. MSU sold their souls on that blitz. Which I think was kind of dumb. Sure, overload the line to put pressure, but did they think we were going to some convoluted roll out or run a flea flicker??? I expected a quick fade or slant pattern over the middle, or posssibly a pick play, but quick and something decisive.

In that situation, every O-Coordinator is worried sick they won’t get the play off, the throw off, so nothing too long in developing is ever going to be used on 4th down.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 30, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what the percentages are on the blitz anyway

Seems in casual watching that it only works about 1 out of 3 or 4×. At least, it only seems to work better when you’ve got a Godlike secondary…

by Leftcoast Hawk on Oct 30, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smartfootball

I put the smartfootball item on my blog, not having known it was already at BHGP. Not that it matters, but had I gotten the link from BHGP instead of a friend (another friend, I should say), I would have given BHGP credit. As I’m sure I will many times to come.

As you were.

by Mike Hlas on Oct 30, 2009 11:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude, quit pimping your "blog" here already

(I kid, I kid, of course.)

Rest assured that we hold the Hlog and the rest of the Gazoo writers in much higher esteem than as common thieves, and our readers ought to as well.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Oops Pow Surprise on Oct 31, 2009 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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