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LA TIMES FOOTBALL WRITER CALLS IOWA "LUCKY"

Don't really know the protocol around here, so didn't post an introduction, just jumped right in and started commenting. Live out here in Los Angeles where I moved after graduating Iowa in '79. Sat through the 0-11 FXL season (73?), endured the Commings fiasco, was in the Fieldhouse to see 18 year-old Magic Johnson and his Spartans put our b-ball team away, attended both Iowa Rose Bowl losses, saw Hawks shellack Texas in the Independence Bowl and Wyoming in the Freedom Bowl (or was it the other way around?).

You get the picture, I've been pissing black and gold for a while now.

Today I own a fitness boot camp that meets at the "green space" around the Rose Bowl. Every day I see the always glowing red neon Rose and I've been getting the feeling lately that... well, I won't say it out loud, I'm a Hawks fan for Christ sake.

One thing I do to support the team is constantly e-mail a local LA Times College Football writer named Chris Dufresne. He posts his own Top Twenty Five every week that is heavy on Pac Ten and DOWN on the Big Ten. Along side each school he writes something glib, this last time, next to Iowa (which he ranked #10 after the Wisconsin game and we were 7-0) "I'll be a fan of Iowa when they give me a decoder ring and a subscription to "Boy's Life".

After the MSU fist fight I e'd him, "Punch in "Hawkeyes" in your decoder ring and it comes out "Respect".  He e'd back the usual about how Iowa's just lucky and I responded ""Luck is the residue of design"-Branch Rickey" and e'd back "Iowa is covered in residue, alright."

Pretty cold, I thought.

Today he wrote an article in the LA TIMES Sports Section that talked about how one play could make a season and if the BCS championship game came down to Alabama v Iowa it was because of the events this weekend and games before.

Here's some direct quotes (Hope I don't monkey with any blog "plagiarism" rules)

"Iowa defeated MSU as time expired when QB Stanzi hit McNutt with a seven yard pass. Was the ball ever going to get there?

"It felt like the slowest play ever," McNutt said."

"Iowa is now 8-0 after dodging its fourth or fifth dagger this season. The Hawks, by all rights, should have been cooked birds on opening day when they needed (insert the usual bilge about the 2 blocked FG's)" 

"Every week counts in college football, even the weeks you had NO BUSINESS WINNING. After Saturday you wondered how MANY MIRACLES Iowa could possible have left. 'We've already had a couple Coach Ferentz ADMITTED, "Hopefully we're not using them all up." (Emphasis mine) 

"We may look back on Saturday as the day when the Tide turned and Iowa said LUCK WAS THE RESIDUE OF DESIGN" (Emphasis mine).

Stanzi wasn't contemplating history when he zeroed in on McNutt to beat MSU. "I definitely wasn't thinking about championships or an undefeated season," he said.

And , yes, both are still in play."--Chris Dufresne, LA TIMES SPORTS, Monday 10/26/09

So, they're still dissing us but its starting to sound a little like whistling by the grave yard. The MSM might laugh and mock, but they are beginning to cast a nervous eye on these country hicks who are banging on the door of the NCAA party. Of course, we gotta' keep on bangin'.

Sixty minutes of football, six seconds at a time. GO HAWKS.

 

 



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…and Dufresne is a douche. The LA Times has been no fan of Iowa or the Big 10 forever (and frankly, I don’t know how he can write a college football column when he’s got Pete Carroll’s dick in his mouth the whole time.)

Fuck ‘em. We’ll keep winning and you can give us all the grand tour when we come out for our game in January.

Yee-Haw! I ride again!

by Cornshoe Hammaker on Oct 27, 2009 7:21 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Your correct..

I posted the same type of article a couple of days ago, except it was from Dodd (an SEC slobber) instead of a Pac-10 slobber.
It’s ridicolous – I hate to sound cliche’, but the best thing the Hawks can do is keep winning and get themselves in a position where a win againt Minny gets them to the championship.

"Are you sayin' Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"

by DCHawkeye07 on Oct 27, 2009 7:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn’t seem like he gave you attribution for the quote either. His bad. One of the sports radio guys here (Dallas) said yesterday he’d rather put his eyes out with cigarettes than watch Iowa play, while his partner (Fort Worth Star Telegram columnist) said TCU would beat Iowa 59-0. Alabama winning 12-10 is different and don’t think it’s not because of sour face Saban (who Ferentz beat when he was at LSU, but that doesn’t matter). Anyway, this is all regional. Where you are the Pac 10 is the greatest ever (especially since Pete Carroll has won multiple NCs (1)) and in the south the SEC has been the greatest conference forever with the bestest traditions and awesomest game day experiences. Keep banging away at him.

by txhawkeye on Oct 27, 2009 8:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Today it started...

the WWL is calling this “a down season” in college football. That there are not two teams that are so dominant they need not show up on Saturday and that there is not a Joe Montana, Barry Sanders and Hugh Greene playing for the same team and all wondering which who among them will receive the coveted Heisman, makes this season hardly worth covering. See link below for latest example.

These talking heads are an insult to the intelligence of the serious fan. You would think they would get tired of writing the same fucking article about the same coach and same team. I understand now why athletes hate sportswriters. They bash the guy when he spouts cliches and then destroy the guy when he doesn’t.

My favorite season in college football was when Kansas State made a run for the National Championship (yes, I know, we have ties) but it was awesome to see the Nebraskas and Oklahomas getting dusted by lowly K-State.

From Mark Schlabach, aka Sec Lacquey:
“With apologies to Boise State, Cincinnati, Iowa and TCU, the 2009 college football season has been a flop by most accounts.”

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebook?page=notebook/onthemark098

That right! College football as Hollywood Blockbuster. What a novel idea! A sports network should consider staging a more dramatic college season and just stop covering the real season, since the real season is so fucking boring.

They could cast Tom Cruise as the super, serious, intense, albeit midget coach from Big City State. Will Smith plays the smooth, hip, ever earnest agent who is forever calling to convince Shia Labeouf (look, macho is out in Hollywood so this is the best I could come up with) he should go pro after his sophomore year. Tom Hanks plays the father who is astonished by the greed and heartlessness of big time college athletics and is trying to find a way to keep his sons integrity intact. . And Michael Douglas plays the AD for Big City State, jockying behind the scenes to get his team ranked in the top spot. Nick Nolte plays the bookie. Nick Cage plays the gambleholic. Matt Damon plays the spy who is rebuilding his memory, during the season.

Ah…Fuck them all.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 27, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Sorry about link...

Here is the link

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 27, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Flop" is unduly harsh

and, obviously, as an Iowa fan all I really care about is 8-0, and fuck how we got there… but from the standpoint of a rational, objective observer, it is a somewhat disappointing season. Where are the standout, blowaway teams? (There are none.) Where are the standout superstar players? (All having middling seasons or playing the wrong position for the wrong team, as in the case of Nebraska’s Suh.) Where are the great, classic games? (Is Michigan-Notre Dame still the best of the season?)

I mean, I agree that from an Iowa fan’s perspective, it’s all kind of a bunch of stupid sour grapes. I’m loving the ride that this season has been and I’m going to take away some great memories from these games. Blocking two consecutive field goals to win a game? Finally blowing out ISU in Ames? Clayborn’s blocked punt and return against PSU? Tony Moeaki running free as a bird in the Michigan secondary? Stanzi to McNutt? Fabulous memories, all, and I’ll cherish them for years to come, but I’m also an unquestionably biased observer.

I think that what a lot of people look for in a “good” college football season – great teams, great players, great games* – has been somewhat missing this year — unless you have a personal attachment to a team like Iowa or Cincinnati or TCU (or Bama or Texas… they may not be having the “prettiest” seasons in their long, storied histories, but I guarantee their fans are every bit as happy to be 8-0 or 7-0 as we are).

  • I recognize that this is a horribly subjective concept, but I can’t think of any games this year that caught the zeitgeist the way the Bush Push Game or Texas-Texas Tech last year did.

by RossWB on Oct 27, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great teams, great players, great games

equals last years offensive explosion? I think the writers are all distracted by shiny objects, and don’t have the patience or talent to analyze defense.
It’s easy to say a team is “great” when they’re scoring 45 ever game. It’s hard to say the same when they hold the opponent to 12 each game. More factors go into a great defensive game than just the ending score.
It is a flop for the announcers who love to shout about touchdowns, or the writers who are too lazy to do anything but look at box scores.
If you like defense though, it’s been a much better year

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 27, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's certainly a bias towards offense

but that’s also just writers feeding their audience. Defense may win games, but offense sells tickets (and page views).

That said, I think great defensive teams do get credit… it’s just easier when they’re paired with an offense that’s at least halfway decent. But just last year Alabama and USC got plenty of hosannas for their defense (particularly USC) and great defense was one of the main talking points about Florida until they got torched pretty well by Arkansas and the ongoing struggles of their offense (despite all that SEC SPEED) took center stage. Every Alabama article mentions their brick wall of a defense. The problem is that practically all of those teams have (or had) great defenses attached to struggling offenses.

I agree that defenses have been better this year, but offense has also been much worse, and it’s not solely because of better defense. Look at Colt McCoy — he’s been struggling more this year than last year and he hasn’t really played a murderer’s row of defenses. The pick he threw late in the game against Oklahoma was almost as bad as any STANZIBALL I’ve seen this year and that’s from a QB who’s played in (and won) more games than nearly anyone else in CFB right now.

by RossWB on Oct 27, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would watch that movie

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Oct 27, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we are lucky

But in my 31 years of life on this planet, I’ve not seen very much luck come the way of the teams I cheer for; specifically Iowa and the Chicago Cubs. So, I’ll be damned if I’m going to apologize to anyone for having a few bounces go our way and for having a solid football team.

It’s all typical. USC/UF/Alabama/Texas win the way Iowa did on Saturday and the headlines are all about gritting out a tough win when they didn’t bring their “A” game. Iowa gets called lucky.

Fuck ‘em all. Keep winning and we’ll see what happens in January.

Black and Gold Blood: Cubbie Blue Heart

by MissouriHawk on Oct 27, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Completely agree here

Ill just add the fact that I am a lions and blues fan on top of the hawks and cubs, I deserve a little luck (but mostly solid football) and am going to continue enjoying it.

Its a funny story actually.

by Wad on Oct 27, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This might be a bit harsh

I’m not one to defend Dufrense, but as I mentioned on another thread yesterday, I heard Dufrense on the radio yesterday. The short of it was he said there was no true #1, any one of four teams could make the claim, including Iowa. And while Iowa might be “lucky”, that doesn’t rule them out. Again, he basically said that he hadn’t been sold on Iowa before, but they just keep winning and are as “worthy” as anyone else in the discussion.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 27, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You make your own luck

Four team’s point differential vs. BCS competition.

Off/Game__Def/Game__Differential

Team A: _ 25.8 __ 12.4 __ 13.4
Team B: _
_ 24.7 _ 13.5 ____ 11.2
Team C: _ 26.8 __ 11.7 __ 15.1
Team D: _
_ 32.3 _ 14.5 ____ 17.8

Team “A” is Florida, B=Iowa, C=Arkansas, and “D”= Texas. Texas is clearly the best of this group. However, they’ve also played only ONE of these games away from the state of Texas. Arkansas’ stats include only 2 road games of 5. Florida’s played 3 of their 5 on the road, and Iowa played 4 of their 6 on the road.

I don’t include non-BCS team records because non-BCS teams are not all created equally. But the fact remains that Iowa is doing this with the nations’ toughest road schedule, and now that they have two games in a row at home, I’m hoping we see some better point spreads

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 27, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard Dufresne...

on the Dan Patrick show yesterday and I thought he seemed ok with Iowa. Patrick essentially asked him “What about Iowa?”, and Dufresne basically answered “Why not Iowa?”. Paraphrasing a bit, I know, but that was the jist of the discussion.

"I'm not doing any good back here."

by Hawkaloogie on Oct 27, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe now...

but not early on. I started in on the guy just before the White Out and would like to believe I wore him down. Anyway, I agree, Dufresne’s a good guy, always entertaining to read, and has been for years now. Just, you know, he’s a biased homer and being in the public eye, he gets to be called out for it.

by Zulu on Oct 27, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck LA

With all due respect to Zulu, we up here in NorCal would have no problem with using a few nukes to create a no-fly DMZ between NorCal and SoCal.

by Leftcoast Hawk on Oct 27, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like how the hook-and-lateral and the fading Cousins TD weren't lucky at all.

But Iowa was. Bullshit. If Iowa got lucky at the end of that game, Michigan State got lucky just before the end of it. Fuckin’ asswad.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Oct 27, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually

The hook and lateral wasn’t lucky. It was Dantonio being a shitbrained (read: brilliant) play caller.

Yes we’ve been lucky. There’s also something to be said about teams that are consistently lucky – maybe they’re just be creating their own luck.

There’s WAY too much chatter going on about all this ‘respect’ nonsense. When has Iowa ever given a crap about the MSM’s respect? When we beat Indiana, beat jNWU, and beat OSU at OSU, leaving only the Minnesota game for our perfect season, the MSM’s respect won’t matter, because by then half the teams ranked above us will have lost, and they can’t put a one loss team over us.

To be honest, I’d much prefer to go to the Rose Bowl undefeated, beat the hell out of USC/Oregon, and then tell everyone that still doesn’t ‘respect’ Iowa to go fuck themselves. If we have to be the team that causes the BCS joke to tilt and have a playoff, so be it.

by benvious on Oct 27, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Agree 99%

The missing 1% is the Fifty bucks I put on the Hawks at 65:1 odds to win the BCS National Championship back in August.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 27, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

John McEnroe during the US Open in 1990-something

was calling a Pete Sampras match with Dick Enberg. Sampras hit the tape (top of the net) like 6 or 7 times and the ball trickled over each time. At some point Enberg announces something like, “Sampras with yet another lucky shot.” McEnroe went haywire on Enberg for the next four or five points.

In short he said those shots where not lucky for Sampras. They would be lucky for the 50th ranked asshole in the world, but for #1 Sampras it is not lucky in the slightest. His reasoning was that Sampras is highly skilled and is trying to get his ground strokes as close to the net as is possible without it hitting the net and falling backward. That is his edge, and thus his ball is forever teasing that net. But a guy who is 50th is hitting the ball much more conservatively—well over the net—because he does not trust his skill to be able to get it over more often than not. So if Mr. 50th in the World hits the net and the ball goes over, it’s a total fuck up…or, as McEnroe made clear, lucky.

If Iowa won only one close game this year, that would be lucky by McEnroe’s logic. But, at this point, this is their game. They play for this. In fact, Ferentz made that loud and clear when he eschewed a pass in the fourth quarter at MSU on 3rd and goal from the 10 or whatever. It was as if he was saying, we will play this bitch to net.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 27, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That, my friend, was a beautiful analogy.

As I’ve been explaining to a disbelieving buddy over email all day, Kirk is doing his Herm Edwards “Hello? You play to win the game” impression. This team’s M.O. is to have the ball as time expires, either kneeling on it or driving for the win.

When you have a shitty D you can call it playing to lose by running on 3rd and goal from the 10, and settling for at least the field goal. but when you have a top 15 D that salivates over an opponent forced into a passing situation, that is playing to win.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Oct 27, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, but that ignores the 2nd down fade pass from the 1. Then on 3rd down ARob went wide, not between the tackles. I went fucking nuts at the time. It all worked out, but that series still pisses me off. If you’re going to fucking run, run. Or go 2 TEs and throw it to the non-tongan who won’t be doubled. Fuck.

by txhawkeye on Oct 27, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was on A-Rob...

he took that too wide. RBs often panick and think their speed will get the job done. They don’t trust leverage. If he took that inside a bit earlier he had a chance, a better chance.

But, I agree, I think the Wegher leap was the call there. I know KOK and KF think that Weggher is going to lose the ball on one of those. If it was 3rd quarter, I think we see the Wegher leap, in the fourth quarter, KF will not allow for a fumble or an int. He believes in the defense.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 27, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thought the same about A-Rob tryin to break it outside when

there was no where to go on the outside. Half step earlier he could have taken it inside. Maybe he wouldn’t have made it, but for sure he wasn’t going anywhere on the outside.

No, gone blame it dang varmits!

by Gabby Johnson on Oct 27, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was a little bit on both of them actually

ARob tried to take it too wide, but KOK kept calling stretch plays to the left (near) side of the field. Granted, ARob is supposed to find a hole and cut back, but that’s easier said than done in that situation and once you get going towards the sideline it’s too easy to keep stretching it out. In other words, it was a failure of both tactics (O’Keefe) and execution (Robinson). I still don’t know why, with about 3-4 plays from inside the 2 yard line in our two drives inside the 10 we didn’t at least attempt a Wegher leap. Instead, we kept going for stretch runs that were working from the 50, but not the 2. Funny how that works.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 28, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

aaaand my original issue was more about the fade throw from the 1 on 2nd down. God damn it, I did not like that. Granted, I’m not down there with 5 down lineman and 4 linebackers trying to push between our tackles. Having said that, I remember no occasion this year when a short fade was successful. I miss Shonn Greene more every week.

by txhawkeye on Oct 28, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was the Stanziball of the game.

I’ve watched the last 8 minutes 4 times now, and every time I can’t believe that didn’t get picked. Floating it into triple coverage off his back foot. Got away with it but I don’t know how. Guess we are just….lucky?

Why not Iowa????

by CUNKNNK on Oct 29, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am going to take a couple more pinata whacks at this dead horse.

My point, to the LA Times writer and to College Football Nation as a whole is not that Iowa isn’t lucky, but that Iowa isn’t JUST lucky. It was the Hawks defensive play, and tenacious, though uneven, offense combined with a never-say-die attitude that put Iowa in a position to drive the final 70 yards in 1:36 against Sparta.. Maybe some of our finishes have been miraculous, but it has been hard work that gave us the opportunity to take advantage of that miracle. Christ might have changed water into wine, but someone had to bucket that water out of the well, put it in a goat skin and schlep it to the table.

“You know I’ve found that the harder I work, the luckier I get.” Gary Player.

by Zulu on Oct 29, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice!

Love the ‘outside the box’ tennis analogy. And agree 100%.

Keep making your luck, Hawks, and you’ll be able to wish you had 120 dicks for the whole nation to suck.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 28, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like Branch Rickey said,

“Luck is the Residue of Design”. Sixty Minutes of Football Six Seconds at a Time.

by Zulu on Oct 27, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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