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Sparty '09 Sounds a Bit Like BHGP '08

Weird quote from Sparty and Friends today, under the headline "You Can't Fool Us Anymore":

Michigan State is not finding themselves in these losses.  They are inventing new ways to lose close games, but not growing from them.  If MSU was growing from them, they wouldn’t have lost another game by less than 4 points this season.  Their biggest loss all season is only 8 points.  Besides the blowout losses to Ohio State and Penn State last year, Dantonio teams have averaged only losing by less than a TD in all their other losses.  Don’t try to fool us Spartan fans and give us hope that we are suddenly going to start winning every single tight game we are in. The track record isn’t good.

If that sounds a bit familiar, it should; here's what we wrote about 51 weeks ago:

Going back as long as the seniors have been suiting up, the Iowa program has real, fatal trouble in close games. Coming into a game against a PSU team that's superior in both discipline and physical talent, that spells automatic loss this weekend. Don't let the 7.5-point line fool you--while Iowa's certainly capable of making the game competitive for all four quarters, there is very, very little to suggest they can come away from the game with an upset win.

At that time, Iowa was 5-4, had zero quality wins, and had just given up a game-losing, final-minute drive to Illinois. They had no big wins on their resume and they just kept losing the close ones. The Penn State game loomed and all indications were that Iowa would fall to 5-5.

Except, err, they didn't; in fact, they haven't lost since, running their winning streak in 3-point-or-fewer games to 5 with the latest win over Michigan State. Now, that's not to say that Michigan State can start booking tickets to Pasadena for January 1, 2011 or anything, but it's wrong to punish Dantonio for the sins of John L. Smith and Bobby Williams.

Also, a quick editorial note--at first draft, that last half of the last sentence read "there is nothing to suggest they can come away..." We wised up for a bit, dialed down the spittle, and figured there's always a chance for good things to happen. We hope Sparty and Friends show the same restraint in expressing their pessimism next time. Can we do that a bit? Leave the door open for good things to happen? Yes?

This is a .500 team this year. Why? Because that is what they are. That is what their record shows. I refuse to believe that this team will ever take the next step…

Until August of next year.

Aw, jeez. We know bloggers don't impact the teams in any way and all that, but it's so unbecoming to bitchmake yourself like that. If the Spartans were a .500 team, they'd have to lose their Senior Day game to Penn State and to one of the following: @Minnesota, vs. WMU, and @Purdue. That's a schedule that last week's MSU team wins at least three games from.

And look. Close games don't always go one team's way (or, conversely, always against one team). They're cyclical and random. Yeah, it sucks that the pattern's been going on for the last five years, but the only resemblance this Spartans team has to the ones of five years ago are some redshirt seniors who were freshmen back then and that's about it. It's mostly just the same uniforms and team name, but it's effectively a different team. Once again, don't punish Dantonio for the sins of John L. Smith and Bobby Williams. It's bad form. Bad Sparty. No muscle milk for you until you act cheerful for once.

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Shit.

We’re totally going to lose to them, aren’t we?

Damnit.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow, "PUS"

How clever.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

Dantonio is 10x the football coach that RichRod presumes to be.

MSU bring the hurt.

This is a great post by OPs because football, remains, ultimately, a game of physical domination and total concentration, preparation, and creativity. He shows total respect for what Dantonio is doing, because we’re all just shuddering here at the collisions and tension and uncertainty of playing that team. Dantonio brings all of that. RichRod has meltdowns, pees in his pants, yells at everyone within 10 yards, and starts 175 lb. warm-weather-loving freshman at QB.

Give me Michigan. I don’t think we could survive another MSU. Have a great day!

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 26, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Dantonio is a solid coach

It will be just be interesting to see if he’s actually given time. God knows MSU could use a decent coach.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think his hook and lateral call was genius...

His team was completely and utterly coached up and ready to play.

BUt…

I think his post game performance was hack and until he cleans that part of his leadership skills up, he is another John L. to me. Losing sucks. Losing last second games sucks even worse. Losing games you feel you should have won, the pits. But, gather yourself man. This is big business and the difference between great coaches, good coaches and hacks is not how they handle succcess, it’s how they handle failure. Ferentz is genius at this, he’s always got the big picutre in mind. He is a teacher, and class is always in session. Dantonio has miles to go. Last night, he was no better than a fan on the sidelines with that shit.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 26, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 29, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oops

Better to be lucky than good, eh?

by ChompSmirkWIN on Oct 27, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good news for Sparty fans

Phil Steele will predict you having a breakout year next year based upon this criteria. Thing is, he would be completely justified.

by Twin Cities Hawk on Oct 26, 2009 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I hate to piss in the punch here

but unless Dantonio develops a much more classy attitude, one where he has more grace after a loss, then I don’t see this team growing. They will play the victim card to the gutter. The best coaches in America do not blame others for their failures. I see this as a major weakness for this guy right now. He needs to look no further than across campus for that role model, Izzo.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 26, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great point, and one taken

I was trying to figure out what that horrible aftertaste was.

by Twin Cities Hawk on Oct 26, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It troubles me that I partially/mostly agree with you.

I think you might overstate the situation when you say that we won’t keep growing, but it bothers me that Dantonio is asking for the conference to review the personal foul. No matter whether it’s a good or bad call (weak but probably correct, IMO), it’s time to move on. Too many other things went wrong that were in our control — by asking for a review (which, even if the conference ultimately says it was a bad call, so what?), we’re essentially blaming the call rather than our own defensive failings at the end of the game. Bad message to send.

"Do not cheat your team or your teammates. Know your plays. Block. Protect. Add to what we are trying to do."
The Only Colors

by LVS on Oct 26, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well said

Way to man up.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 26, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Helmet to helmet rules are in place to prevent kids from getting concussions.

The DB didn’t even put his hands up, that was 100% spear tackle. Sandeman, our receiver, was lying on the ground, twitching, and your guy stood over him and made a “what’s up now, bitch?” gesture, in itself enough to draw a flag.

Thirty years from now, Sandeman will have a dramatically increased chance of chronic migranes, seizures, dementia, and general decrease in quality of life because of your player’s actions on that one play.

He deserved the fucking flag, and if Dantonio had an ounce of class, he’d be screaming at his player for being a headhunting, taunting thug, not crying about it to the Big Ten.

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Oct 26, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

possibly a reply fail

I think Dantonio’s a total douche and a blight on the Big Ten coaching landscape.

Was recognizing the stones of a Sparty fan to get close to that sentiment. It must be tough to have that kind of character at the head of a team he loves.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Oct 26, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

100x to this comment by rockyh.

You can’t spear people. Shit, you couldn’t spear people in 1980. What’s SO CONFUSING ABOUT NOT SPEARING PEOPLE?

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 26, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

FYI, big guys,

when was the last time a Hawkeye speared somebody?

Not only is it potentially lethal to the recipient, it’s the quickest way on the field to sever your own seventh cervical vertebra. Which means, if you do it, like some stud Jack Tatum, without the Tatum good fortune, you are in a chair with no junk, forever.

Spearing=bad.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 26, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed 1000%

I watched that play over and over, and every time said the same thing. He could have EASILY wrapped him up at the waste and drove through him for an easy tackle. Instead he decides to lead with the helmet and spear. Bush league hit all the way.

It's not that I'm lazy, Bob, it's just that I don't care

by Colteyes on Oct 26, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen, brutha

Dantonio needs to wise the fuck up and watch a replay. The image of Sandeman twitching after the hit was made all the more nauseating by the MSU douche taunting him. It was a physical game, but that was ridiculous.

by Imustbreakyou on Oct 26, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

FYI, the spearing rules were put in place a generation ago

not to prevent concussions, which no one worried about then. It was to prevent catastrophic 7th CV injuries which will kill you or put you in a chair.

The concern for head injuries is very recent, and I suggest that it is the biggest issue in college football now. I know I’m not watching a game in which people are inevitably incapacitated.

This issue, btw, goes away if the face guards go away. That’s the virtue of rugby. Just a thought.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 26, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would certainly help

It takes away a lot of the fearlessness that leads to guys throwing their bodies around like missiles. It’s never going away though, sadly. I’ve played a little rugby and seen some vicious concussions there. Given how much bigger, stronger, and faster the average football player is, it’ll only be worse there. What really needs to change is how coaches, players, and trainers respond AFTER a player suffers a concussion. If they make sure they take plenty of time to recover, it would help a lot, to reduce the instances of repeated concussion that can lead to long-term problems. Everyone needs to be properly educated as to the risks involved, but sadly that hasn’t happened yet.

by NorseHawk on Oct 26, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

LVS - Agreed

Time to move on. You guys still have a shot at having a decent season and making a bowl game. Rather than dwelling on what went wrong, prepping for the next game is what the Spartans should be doing. I hope that the highlight of you guy’s season is not only the Michigan game.

by Leftcoast Hawk on Oct 26, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Kinda surprising, but not really

I always thought of Dantonio as a roid raging Tressel. So what he did surprised me, but not really.

by BuckIball on Oct 26, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Perfect.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 26, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dantonio's hook and lateral is the best compliment to Iowa.

He knew he couldn’t win without a gimmick. But he’s not a gimmick coach. So he was truly at the end of his rope. He decided he couldn’t beat us straight up.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 26, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I wouldn't call it a "gimmick"

I’d call it an “exotic”.

;)

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I call it

awesome. You don’t want to see that sort of play every week. But completely unexpected and ran to perfection, you have to appreciate it.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Oct 26, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I wonder: is this the first time “Dantonio” and “exotic offensive play” occur in the same sentence? Maybe.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Oct 27, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have nothing else to add but this:
No muscle milk for you until you act cheerful for once.

reminds me that MSU celebrated Sparty’s 20th birthday at the game Saturday (one more year and then he can drink legally!) and listed off a huge list of his accomplishments (including multiple Mascot National Championships and #1 finishes in popularity contests and whatnot), including my favorite: being voted “Most Muscular Mascot” two years in a row by MUSCLE & FITNESS magazine.

by RossWB on Oct 26, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Close games aren't entirely random

And I have to think the idiotic insistence on the prevent whenever we’re defending a small lead is a big factor in why we’re losing so many close games. (More to the point, most of our close wins are when we’re battling back from down a score or two; our record when we have a small lead with five minutes to go is probably sub-.250.)

by SpartanDan on Oct 26, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions  

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