Not Using Your Head
by StoopsMyAss on Oct 25, 2009 3:58 PM CDT
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I have found myself today dumbfounded by various writers on blogs and in newsprint who are suggesting the hit that Jeremy Ware made on Colin Sandeman was merely a good, hard football play. Not bloody likely. In fact, I am expecting Jeremy Ware to be suspended by the Big Ten this week.
While MSU fans and Dantonio felt it was a clean hit, it absolutely was not. Every angle of every replay showed the player came head first into Sandeman who is considered, by rule, defenseless. Sandeman was not running toward Ware or even facing Ware. Moreover Ware followed up the hit by taunting (see video below), however briefly. He could have easily been tossed for either the hit or the taunt by rule, and the flag was a no brainer--although, the officials had to use every ounce of their cognitive abilty to even make the call as the falg was very late.
I was very disappointed with Dantonio. He argued the call endlessly while Sandeman was being attended to, then would later in his presser argue that the timekeeping was questionable. PLEASE. When confronted with a questionable clock on the first blocked kick in the UNI game Kirk Ferentz asked the refs about it then moved on. No whining. Next play. Yet more proof that Ferentz is by far the classiest coach in the league and understands that these calls will not be overturned in the game. Dantonio should have known the officials would not change their minds and should have regained his poise in time for interviews.
This hit led to a player being suspended. You tell me, will Jeremy Ware's hit lead to a suspension?
Finally, the NCAA rule on league review of all flagrant fouls has been a point of emphasis.
Flagrant Personal Fouls (Rule 9-6). For 2009-10 the rules committee has added a new section that calls for conferences in the days following a game to review certain particularly dangerous plays. This new rule says that if a player is ejected for any flagrant personal foul the conference must review the game video for possible further action. In addition, if the officials call fouls for targeting defenseless players or using the crown of the helmet and the player is not ejected, the rules mandate a conference review. Furthermore, if the review by the conference reveals actions that should have resulted in a personal foul but were not called, the conference may impose sanctions.
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From the official NCAA 2009-2010 Rule Book:
Initiating Contact/Targeting an Opponent
ARTICLE 3.
a. No player shall initiate contact and target an opponent with
the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
FR-120 RULE 9-1 / CONDUCT OF PLAYERS AND OTHERS SUBJECT TO RULES
b. No player shall initiate contact and target a defenseless opponent
above the shoulders. When in question, it is a foul.
My cousin was on a Rugby roadtrip with his team and they were forced to listen on the radio. They got the Michigan State feed, and said the announcers went on and on and on about how bad of a call it was. The only thing bad about the call was the fact that it took the refs so long to throw the flag. It is obviously BOTH using the crown of the helmet and targeting above the shoulders. Not only is it a clear penalty, it is actually two! If I put myself in the shoes of a MSU fan, I would hate the call too. But then I would admit it was the right call and move on.
Also worth noting: It was on 2nd down, so it isn’t like it cost them a possession or anything. This play didn’t make or break the game and there is no Big 10 conspiracy to keep Iowa undefeated (although that would be awesome). The hit was a penalty. Rucker held DJK. We recovered Wagner’s (near?) fumble anyway. The 4 plays in 15 seconds? Iowa actually got screwed out of a tick on 2nd Down. The refs didn’t hand us anything and we earned this clutch win.
Good teams find ways to win. I’m glad to escape East Lansing and move on.
Why not Iowa????
by CUNKNNK on Oct 25, 2009 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit you misspelled your hero's name.
by NorseHawk on Oct 25, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a typo, fat fingered it during my rant. I can spell it in my sleep. I do spell it in my sleep actually. And also in the air all day when I walk around like Brittany Murphy did in the movie "Don’t Say a Word’. I just hope it’s spelled right in the tribute tattoo I am going to get someday in his honor. :)
Why not Iowa????
by CUNKNNK on Oct 25, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame Dantonio
who is losing his grip. East Lansing is a coaching pit. Nick Saban was utterly mediocre there. Think about it, Dantonio has lost every big game they have played, he has lost every close game in a gut wrentching last second come from behind loss. He came within a whisker of losing to Michigan after complete domination for 9/10ths of the game.
He will go the way of others…either on to another program that is not snake bitten like this one, or down a rabbit hole, never to be seen again. He might be a nice enough guy, but his behavio on this one speaks volumes.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Oct 25, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd even be surprised
If he was indeed a nice enough guy.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Oct 26, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have long been the type of fan...
who whines about the NFL becoming too “soft.” I would love to watch a 6-hour DVD or tape of nothing but hard hits in history. However, I make those comments about the football league where every player is making at least $300 grand.
I enjoy hard-hitting football, but watching the hit on Sandeman, and Sandy’s reaction (or lack thereof) afterward made me angry and a little ill. I can tolerate it when a player just takes an extra 5 seconds to get up, and shakes off the cobwebs. But when it is clear that the player’s health is at stake, then no penalty is enough of a punishment.
The rule is the rule. Make the right call. Maybe even suspend the MSU guy. Anybody whining about it being a “clean hit” deserves to take the same hit 5 times in succession.
I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
-- Judge Smails
by WaterlooChazz on Oct 25, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
My dad thought he was dead. I was definitely sick to my stomach, and I couldn’t believe that the asshole that made the hit saw Sandeman’s arms flex involuntarily and twitch and his reaction was to taunt him. What a dick? It was a good call, but, damn, I just hope Sandeman is OK.
by shada's revenge on Oct 25, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last time I saw an arm twitch like that,
was just after boot camp. The guy passed out while standing at attention; fell flat on his face, stiff as a board and his arm just seemed like it was levitating. Sandeman had to have been out cold for his arm to be twitching like that. I hope he is ok and does not have any serious damage from that unsportsmanlike hit.
by TEXaco on Oct 25, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have seen some MMA/UFC matches
where this has been the final scenario. But yeah, I always have a bad feeling when I see that. This was worse because Sandeman is one of ours.
by shada's revenge on Oct 25, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Henderson v. Michael Bisping
at UFC 100 comes to mind. Bisping hit the mat, and his arms were pointing straight up into the air.
by TarHeelHawk on Oct 25, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then Henderson smashed another hit in just to shut him up a bit more. Great fight though.
by cutlassbob on Oct 25, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In real time it was hard to tell.
But after seeing the replay, there was absolutely no question that it was a penalty. Agruing that it was a clean hit after seeing the replay is purely assholish. Dantanio deserves to be stabbed in the eye with a shit-covered cock.
No self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere without beer
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Oct 25, 2009 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't look on MSU's blog then.
They show the video and STILL conclude that the hit was on the shoulders.
by TEXaco on Oct 25, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's why that program
is a sink hole.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Oct 25, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When it happened last night, I argued that it looked like a sound football play.
I know I was in the minority, and I concede to the letter of the law, here. However, there is absolutely no question that Ware’s helmet made contact Sandeman’s chin. Now, (and this is probably going to sound stupid), I don’t know if that was so much a result of Ware leading with his head as it was Sandeman turning, and being whiplashed into Ware after the hit.
Sandeman went stiff because he got cracked in the jaw, or, as most MMA/boxing fans say, “on the button.” Rich Franklin did the same thing to Nate Quarry (2:40) with a left straight.
All that said, the only problem I have with the penalty is the amount of time between the hit and the decision to throw the flag.
by The Mexican't on Oct 25, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a waste of a perfectly good dick
Now, a red hot rusty fireplace poker dipped in 3 week old elephant shit, much better.
by Leftcoast Hawk on Oct 25, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a phenomenally poor loser
He needs to watch the NFL then…those guys do this play right all the time. you throw your shoulder pad into the guy, not the crown of your head.
This guy is quickly becoming unraveled. This season has turned him into just another coach. This is the kind of crap I would expect from Ron Zook.
I still contend that his player might get cited by the conference for the flagrant. the taunt alone could justify it. I will be fascinated to see how the Big Ten handles this. Of course, I think he might be trying to deflect here so a) he and his team look like victims instead of horrible closers; b) trying to keep Ware from being given a one game suspension.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Oct 26, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“it’s hard to tell a defensive player to stand there and let the offensive player run you over”
It’s easy to tell them to tackle with their shoulders, into the center of gravity, shoulder at belt buckle, roll the hips, gain leverage, lift and follow through, and also not to stand over them taunting while they’re having seizures.
Brunettes not fighter jets
by rockyh on Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my final assessment of this
It always hits closer to home when this sort of injury happens to a player on your team. Who plays for your school. But if a player on your team levels an opponent with his helmet causing serious injury, please for the sake of all that is good in this world, man up and admit your player was wrong. This is serious shit. Sandeman could be eating through a straw right now had the hit not landed where it did.
Let this happen to any player for Michigan State next week against Minnesota and Dantonio loses his fucking mind.
by Twin Cities Hawk on Oct 26, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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