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Kirk Ferentz to Cleveland?

Um, no.

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I think there is a 50% chance he leaves. That answer on ESPN after the game was very different than any answers I have ever heard. This is not him interviewing to see what the process is like when he interviewed at Jacksonville. He is at the stage where he is being recruited by these GMs or not even considering it. If Piloi goes to Cleveland Kirk will get his money, length of contract, a GM who wants him, etc. It will all be there for him. The big question then becomes, does he want to do Pro Football. How big is his ego? He is remarkably under discussed as a great coach at the college level. Even yesterday it was all about Spurrier. That may be factored into things. I think he has a host of compelling reasons to stay though…and it appears he now has the Hawkeye Nation in love with him again.

Reasons to stay:
- family (son in HS and son on the team)
- assistant coaches (none would likely be acceptable at NFL level)
- team on upswing as conference on down swing (he could win conference outright next year and the year after)
- new contract with security and more money for his coaches (he is maxed out on salary side but could get more bonuses)
- NFL is crazy now, players are steadily moving to NBA status (read: running the league)
- still very young and could easily leap to NFL in three or four years after sons fly the coop

I fully expect him to do an “interview” with someone in the NFL soon though.

"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first."
- George Rogers, one-time South Carolina RB

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 2, 2009 9:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It felt like New Year's Day again, didn't it?

The Hawkeyes playing (and winning) in Florida, and incessant speculation by the talking heads that KF is gone.

The only difference is that in my slightly increased maturity the night before saw a nice dinner with the wife and about three glasses of red wine, rather than 17 beers or whatever, and somewhat less pounding in my head (read: none) when I got up to watch the game.

Not to worry though, I’m still capable of nights that would make Anthony Tucker proud (or is it too soon to joke about that? It’s probably too soon. Sorry).

by DonnyDonovan on Jan 2, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That answer on ESPN was indeed odd

It was as though he wasn’t going to let Rob Stone pigeon hole him into a Nick Saban-type of answer, but damn if he couldn’t have thought of what to say the night before when the inevitable questions about the Browns vacancy would come up after yesterday’s game. He seemed to be all over the place with his answers and rightfully so – Pioli is a good friend of his and if he does take a GM job with any team and comes calling Kirk’s phone, as a good friend usually does, he’ll listen to what he says. Therefore, Kirk is under no obligation to shoot down rumors and it doesn’t mean at the same time that it’s a foregone conclusion he’s on the way to Cleveland either.

(I thought it was rather interesting that Kirk was across the sidelines yesterday from one of the highest profile coaches to jump from a job in college that he could have stayed at forever to the NFL – only to see his career go spiraling downward, ending up at a lesser school in the same conference with his legacy in the mud years later. Hopefully Kirk was paying close attention.)

With very few seniors leaving (although King and Kroul are going to be sorely missed), the one thing he hasn’t done, which is lead Iowa to a Rose Bowl, is within his sights in 2009. Hopefully with this in mind, he stays. I’m not going to fault the man if he leaves because we only wish to be as respected and thought of in our individual professions – the guy is a class act in a profession that is dirty, corrupt and rewards snakes (that NYT article following that OU recruit around made my stomach turn). We’re lucky to have him at Iowa and I’m confident that we can find a replacement that can lead this team forward where Kirk left off if he does indeed leave us.

by Twin Cities Hawk on Jan 2, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not so fast my friend (OPS)

We all know Kirk is interested in the NFL. Whereas his kids or less than perfect deals (Jacksonville) kept him from leaving before, I think Piolioioni (sp?) might be exactly the kind of entrance to the NFL Captain Kirk is looking for. I think him having a friend in Pioloioinioionoiasdl;fkj might be a greater factor in his decision than his son’s.

Don’t get me wrong, I hope he stays. If anything, I hope this shuts up people who call for his head everytime we lose a game (God forbid!).

Go Hawks or Watch Greys Anatomy

by Duez I say on Jan 2, 2009 10:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Um, what?
I think him having a friend in Pioloioinioionoiasdl;fkj might be a greater factor in his decision than his son’s.

I’m sorry, but is there a shred of evidence to support this notion?

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Jan 2, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

No evidence, just thoughts. I based them off of Ferentz’s friendship with the guy and one other thing: when he declined the NFL job in 2002/2003, he explained that if the right opportunity came along with the right people, he would be foolish not to consider it. I think that might happen here if Piolini is hired.

by Duez I say on Jan 2, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to Rain on this Ferentz Parade

Stoops, I liked your post except for this comment:

He is remarkably under discussed as a great coach at the college level.

Huh? Ferentz is underrated? The correct consensus amongst most hard core knowledgeable college football is that Ferentz is OVERRATED as a college football coach. His top 5 salary and constant NFL rumors compared to a lack of elite level success in college football has been the rationale. He is not in the conversation of “great” coaches based upon the merits.

This is a time of celebrating and I did not see a 9-4 season with a bowl victory in the fall. This team over achieved and the staff and players deserve much credit. The team always played hard and they never gave up. Shonn Greene had a Hawkeye season of a generation and it will probably not be truly appreciated until years from now.

However, I just do not see the fundamentals of this program ever reaching the top level of the Big 10 on a consistent basis or competing for BCS bowl games. The simple and predictable vanilla systems, the lack of NFL talent hardly ever at any offensive skill positions, and a recruiting strategy that seems to be based upon hoping to pick up Ohio State’s scraps just does not make me believe Iowa will ever get to the higher elite or sub elite level.

It was disappointing to listen to the announcers yesterday white washing the past 3 disappointing Hawkeye football seasons and laying the blame on ungrateful fans, instead of the coaching staff. Was there ever one mention of the rape case? That dark and mysterious cloud still hangs over this program and for some reason, the media and fans, who conveniently want it to go away, act like it does not even exist.

I am just amazed at this, “Kirk Ferentz is God again” sentiment when he is the same coach who cost Iowa the Pitt game because he still thought Jake could play QB! Greene fell into this staff’s lap and his outstanding season hid their failures at recruiting. I would even make an argument to wonder how Greene never got the ball more in his first 2 seasons at Iowa.

I understand the Iowa mindset of making excuses (small state, its Iowa, too cold) for when things go awry for the Hawkeyes and the conservative nature of refraining from calling out the coaches. I thought 02-04 run changed things and raised the expectation level of Hawkeye fans. I know the University seemed to play along by gouging fans for more cash to pay for the new stadium upgrades and moving loyal fans, students included, around based upon the willingness to pay more jack.

Some fans are content at the peak of this program being 9-4 and a mid tier bowl game. They will take supbar seasons as along Iowa keeps going to some bowl game once in awhile. As a crazy Hawkeye fan, I have been battling to change these default level expectations my entire life. Some friends agree with me but some call me a hater.
I just have different goals as a fan and see no reason that Iowa can be competing at the top level.

The fan support is great, Iowa City is an amazing college town and a large recruiting base of Chicago is only 3plus hours away.

If Ferentz wants to leave for the NFL, I would still support him and always commend him for his positive contributions to Iowa football. I went to every home game during the 1-10 season and to be in the Orange Bowl, just a few years later is truly a remarkable achievement.

I do not believe it would be the end of the world if Kirk left and this program could desperately use a change in offensive philosophy and a coach devoted soley to QB development.

Anyway, Congrats to the Hawkeye players and staff for a solid season. I have rambled too long.

Great Job to the crew of BHGP on providing a forum of funny and analysis of Hawkeye football. Well Done.

What? They don't have TV in the D-League? Don't watch me, watch TV.

by Mac G on Jan 2, 2009 11:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well stated Mac G but I have one question for you.

What would you have seen the football program handle differently when it came to the rape case against those boys last year? They sat them before they were even charged and dismissed them shortly after they were. It was the University that did most all of the bungling of that situation.

by Argulor on Jan 2, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We've got a real Norman Einstein on our hands here
The correct consensus amongst most hard core knowledgeable college football is that Ferentz is OVERRATED as a college football coach.

(emphasis mine)

What?! “hard core knowledgeable college football” [sic]? Like who? The Big Lead? Heismanpundit? Busted Coverage? Please.

Ferentz is probably overpaid. He’s also the most tenured Big Ten coach not named Paterno and has roughly the 10-15th best resume in the game right now (Carroll, Stoops, Meyer, Brown, Richt, Spurrier (fading), Tressel, Saban, Rodriguez, Paterno, Bowden, and I’m probably forgetting a couple others). In other words, there’s a difference between overpaid and overrated.

However, I just do not see the fundamentals of this program ever reaching the top level of the Big 10 on a consistent basis or competing for BCS bowl games. The simple and predictable vanilla systems, the lack of NFL talent hardly ever at any offensive skill positions, and a recruiting strategy that seems to be based upon hoping to pick up Ohio State’s scraps just does not make me believe Iowa will ever get to the higher elite or sub elite level.

Sounds like you’d like Tim Brewster a lot better than Kirk Ferentz. How’d those two do against each other this year?

It was disappointing to listen to the announcers yesterday white washing the past 3 disappointing Hawkeye football seasons and laying the blame on ungrateful fans, instead of the coaching staff. Was there ever one mention of the rape case? That dark and mysterious cloud still hangs over this program and for some reason, the media and fans, who conveniently want it to go away, act like it does not even exist.

I really hope you’re kidding about this. Look, it’s abundantly clear from the entirety of this comment that you think “Quanitity X” is more likely to succeed at an elite level at Iowa than Ferentz is. But using the sexual assault of a young woman to prop up that argument is beyond disgusting. Just please tell me you weren’t hoping, either aloud or inside, that these announcers would bring up a 14-month old alleged sexual assault while a team began to celebrate a bowl victory. If you’re cheering harder for rape than Iowa football, then I really don’t know what to tell you, other than “seek help.”

I am just amazed at this, "Kirk Ferentz is God again" sentiment when he is the same coach who cost Iowa the Pitt game because he still thought Jake could play QB! Greene fell into this staff’s lap and his outstanding season hid their failures at recruiting. I would even make an argument to wonder how Greene never got the ball more in his first 2 seasons at Iowa.

I’ll set the “Ferentz is god” strawman and chalk it up to bad reasoning skills, maybe a bit of the fetal alcohol syndrome or something, and get to the meat of this absolutely asinine statement. 1. Greene didn’t “fall into this staff’s lap.” Nothing even close to that. They recruited him, stuck with him through prep school, and then stuck with him through Kirkwood/MacGregor’s. They couldn’t have expected him to win the Doak 12 months ago, but clearly they thought he could still contribute at tailback, otherwise there wouldn’t have been a scholarship waiting for him anymore. 2. How is it failing at recruiting if Iowa recruited these guys that caught a ton of bad breaks and STILL went 9-4? Iowa had, what, a dozen guys get all-conference mention, including 4 of 5 of the starting offensive linemen. If you want to talk about a bunch of stiffs hiding behind one man’s good season, go look at MSU or jNW. Further, Iowa’s problem was with attrition, not recruiting, unless you think that they should have somehow known ahead of time that Dace Richardson’s knee would betray him, Alex Kanellis would get concussed out of football, Jake Christensen’s timing would be irrevocably fried, Tony Moeaki would get his skeleton replaced with styrofoam, Bonecrusher would have robbed everyone in the locker room, etc. etc. etc.

Some fans are content at the peak of this program being 9-4 and a mid tier bowl game. They will take supbar seasons as along Iowa keeps going to some bowl game once in awhile. As a crazy Hawkeye fan, I have been battling to change these default level expectations my entire life. Some friends agree with me but some call me a hater.

Nobody thinks this is the peak. At all. This is another grade-school level strawman designed to justify your irrational, delusional thoughts about success. You were probably one of those dumb motherfuckers who thought Dan Gable was a great idea for athletic director because he “demands success” or some other meaningless bullshit.

Great Job to the crew of BHGP on providing a forum of funny and analysis of Hawkeye football. Well Done.

Thanks, and you’re always welcome here. But if you bring this weak shit into our house again, expect it to get tossed into Row Q again.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Jan 2, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ummmm.

“If you want to talk about a bunch of stiffs hiding behind one man’s good season, go look at MSU or jNW.” – OPS

Not trying to be a smart-ass (seriously), and just curious, but who at jNW had the one good season…..only one guy even made an All-Big Ten first or second team (Wootton), and while DE is a key position, it’s hardly one that lifts an entire team to excellence. Sure seemed like a team effort with me, particularly with some star players missing games (Sutton almost 5; Bacher at least 2; Browne, Arrington, etc. missing others)

I agree, though, on the MSU point — there season was due to Ringer blowing up, and when he got stuffed (or wore down), they lost or struggled.

by Chadnudj on Jan 2, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

James Ferentz

did James Ferentz ever get re-instated to the team?

Missippi 24
Tech 21….who was the last big ten team in the Cotton Bowl?

by pfac51 on Jan 2, 2009 3:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he did

A Big Ten team has never played in the Cotton Bowl, unless you want to count Penn State before they joined the conference.

by NorseHawk on Jan 2, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

cotton bowl

i think the Buckeyes beat the Aggies in an epic 1987 tilt while we played in the Holiday Bowl. Mike Leach looks “inconsulable” after that last booth review.

by pfac51 on Jan 2, 2009 3:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Shit, you're right

How the fuck did that happen?

by NorseHawk on Jan 2, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Cotton Bowl was just another demonstration of the Big XII's lack of defensive ability

Ole Miss putting 50 points on the Red Raiders is ABSURD. The Big XII has taken the “basketball on grass” mentality to a whole new level. Maybe it’s because I’m a BigTen fan, but that game was frustrating to watch. I thought the same thing last night when Virginia Tech was running all over Cincinnati, and Brian Kelly’s team just refused to tackle anyone before they reached the secondary.

I sure as hell hope that, if StoopsMyAss is right, and Iowa ends up with Kelly as a HC, the Hawks will remain a sound defensive squad. This year has got to be one of the worst defensive years in CFB history. Ironic, considering this is the year that we all witnessed “The Greatest Defense to Ever Play The Game” at USC.

¿Quieres chiclets?

by The Mexican't on Jan 2, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is USC's defense really that good?

I mean, yes, they were far and away the best defense in the country this year; and a great defense by historical standards. But I get the feeling that the whole “Greatest Defense Evererer” meme only got traction because of (1) ESPN’s relentless hyping/repeating it and (2) the overall poor defensive play in the major conferences of which the Big XII was only the most flagrant violator.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 2, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All I know

Is that they didn’t prove anything to me. 24 points and more than 400 yards given up to a Slow 10 team. Really, we would have put up more if we hadn’t sucked so bad on defense.

"They haven't played us yet."

by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They gave up like 8 points per game

And played in a pretty good offensive conference (and, as bowl season has shown, a much better overall conference than people were giving them credit for). They’re also loaded with future NFL players. They’re definitely in the discussion for best defense of the modern era, although I’d go with 2001 Miami.

by NorseHawk on Jan 3, 2009 2:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Heady company either way.

And although there’s a David Bostony aura of distrust about his durability, JTFC, Taylor Mays. That physique is totally unfair. And he’s really, really good at football.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on Jan 3, 2009 3:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing to keep in mind

Although it’s really tangential to the issue, is the status of the NFL owners/players union going into 2010. It’s my understanding (and please somebody who understands this better correct me if I’m completely off base) that the salary cap takes a massive hit, if not disappears completely next year. The owners are already talking lockout after that as they will be unwilling to allow that to continue, while the union will be pushing hard for it, or at least a less strick version than we have.
While I certainly wouldn’t say it’s going to happen, to have both sides already preparing for the worst would be a lousy situation for a coach to be in, simply from a personnel point of view. Yes, Piloi is one of the best in the business, but the next couple of years could be very dicey for established teams, and Cleveland simply isn’t one of them.

by chitownhawkeye on Jan 2, 2009 5:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't konw about the salary cap...

but I know that league is considering going to an 18 game schedule after the current CBA expires. They would eliminate 2 of the pre-season games. I remember reading that it would have some effect on the salary cap, but I can’t remember how.

You don’t have to have an “established” team to succeed as a 1st-year coach in the NFL. What you need is GM who can draft well, and pick up a few free agents who fit in with what type of team you;re going to have. Neither Atlanta or Miami was an established team going into this season – they were 2 of the worst in the league. They both have playoff games this weekend.

by TarHeelHawk on Jan 2, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

January 1, 1987: Ohio State 28, Texas A&M 12

January 1, 1987: Ohio State 28, Texas A&M 12;

i have a childhood memory that Iowa somehow got screwed into the Holiday Bowl that year, the first year of the Big 11 contract w/ the Holiday Bowl and we sent the league’s 3rd place team to San Diego.

While we were in San Diego holding on for dear life vs. SDSU, Earl Bruce was beating A&M. OSU finished the reg season 9-3…..our Hawkeyes were also 9-3 and were smoked @ Kinnick by Brutus.

by pfac51 on Jan 2, 2009 7:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ferentz's NFL o-lines

how good were Ferentz’s O-Lines?

by pfac51 on Jan 2, 2009 9:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He was largely responsible for Jonathan Ogden

so, yeah, they were really good

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by Hawkeye State on Jan 3, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Largely responsible is probably a bit of a stretch

I’m guessing there’s a good chance that Jonathan Ogden was going to wind up being awesome anyway.

Still, he was a very good line coach and well respected within the league.

by NorseHawk on Jan 4, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ferentz

i for one don’t want him to leave Iowa for LMAOchefs if Piloli gets the GM job down here.


this place smells like feet. i’ll bring a can of lysol next week…

by pfac51 on Jan 4, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh

This thing still hasn’t blown over yet? I thought we were safe once Cleveland lost interest…

by Duez I say on Jan 4, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so much for SEC speed, thanks for nothing Tide.........

Now I know that I’m supposed to lead by example and all that but I’m not shoving that aside like it don’t mean anything. I know it’s important, I honestly do but we’re talking about practice. We’re talking about practice man.

by pfac51 on Jan 2, 2009 10:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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