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According to the latest at Rivals.com, the Iowa Hawkeye 2009 football recruiting class is #73 in the land. In other words, Rivals thinks we are recruiting guys like this.

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That places us ahead of, well, no one in our own conference. That's right, we are ranked dead last in the Big 10 in recruiting so far, and it really is not even close...that is tough stuff, assuming you even buy these rankings in the first place. Well, at least we have a higher ranked class than Iowa State...ooops, sorry. Strike that. We are two spots lower than our in-state rivals. 

What are we to make of these rankings? Are there any last minute commitments of note out there for us? This is a remarkably low ranking, even for us. I realize we don't have a lot of scholarships (although one just became available!)...and perhaps we were targeting positions rather than the best possible ranked players. 

Anyone follow this?

 

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This year's recruiting definitely appears down.

Unless this a class loaded with diamonds in the rough, at least. Thank God for the very good in-state talent. The main problem is that we’re not getting much love from out-of-state recruits. Iowa obviously doesn’t produce enough elite talent to fill out an entire recruiting class w/o going outside the borders. As for why we’re getting no love from the out-of-state kids… I think it’s the culmination of a few factors.

— We were pretty unimpressive on the field in the 2-3 years (depending on your feelings re: 2005) before this one.
— We’ve had a lot of bad publicity off the field. Recruiting relationships begin before this fall and the image of Iowa football prior to this fall wasn’t too hot.
— The summer flood knocked out the football camp they always hold to evaluate prospects and develop relationships.

Hopefully the success of this year will pay dividends with recruits next year and in the future. And there are apparently a few recruits still being pursued that would be pretty nice gets and make this class look a bit better. That said, I do think the staff probably needs to tweak their approach a little bit — seems like we offer later than other teams a lot of the time and I hate the fact that the coaches prefer to bring recruits in for campus visits after the season rather than on game weekends. I know it’s maybe more of a nuisance to have them around then, but the Kinnick Stadium gameday atmosphere is by far one of our best selling points and it’s a shame it doesn’t get utilized more. And, hell, it’s a lot nicer to visit Iowa City in October than December.

by RossWB on Jan 13, 2009 11:51 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a couple of things

- sometimes recruiting rankings are based on a “total score” method whereby the total number of “stars” (each recruit’s ranking) are totalled. Smaller recruiting classes (like Iowa’s this year) can’t bring high total scores due to the smaller number of recruits. Rivals may or may not work this way – I’m too lazy to look it up. This might be keeping the Iowa ranking low.
- One of the things Iowa has to sell is the opportunity to challenge for playing time as a true freshman. Iowa has shown this year that yes, freshman can take the field right away if they are good enough; however, any recruit with half a brain can look at a depth chart and figure out that Iowa is a young team with lots of recturning “challengers” at nearly every position. This will be a perceived hurdle to recruiting those players who didn’t grow up wanting to be Hawkeyes (primarily out-of-staters).

by hdhawk on Jan 14, 2009 6:43 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Recruiting rankings are fodder

Nothing more. But with basketball sucking and football being over, it’s about all that is left. Maybe I’ll try to get into wrestling since we look to be on our way to another National Championship.

by Duez I say on Jan 14, 2009 6:56 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even factoring in the small size, it's a pretty disappointing class

 Skill position wise it’s a pretty good class (in particular, I think Davis is going to be great and could start early), but it’s not very deep and it’s especially weak on the lines, which concerns me a lot. Those are also the positions we tend to do the best job developing players at though, so hopefully it works out okay.

As for late additions, the staff seems to be working a couple solid east coast recruits, Ka’lial Gluad and Nolan McMillian pretty hard, with Ferentz making home visits to both fairly recently. Darrell Wilson, who handles the NY/NJ recruiting is far and away the best recruiter on staff, so hopefully that’ll work out for us.

by NorseHawk on Jan 14, 2009 7:23 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stars and such...

Like most people, I do wish we had a few more stars… I’m well aware of the "stars aren’t everything argument — look at all the 2-stars we’ve turned into NFL players! or all the busts in the ’05 class! — but more stars does make the job a bit easier usually.

Still, I’m not eager to rehash that whole debate… what I AM excited about is the fact that the high-star guys we’ve gotten in this class are at skill positions like RB and WR. Line play is a lot about technique and developing strength — things our staff is very, very good at. So it doesn’t bother me a lot that we haven’t had great luck getting high-star lineman recruits (although it does baffle me that they’re not more interested in Iowa given our coaches’ ability to create NFL prospects), since I’m confident that they can develop into productive players so long as they avoid injuries and don’t get booted. (Although when you look at Bulaga and Clayborn and Ballard you can see what high-star talent + quality coaching gets you: early impact on the field.) But the skills that make good WRs and RBs can’t be taught as easily, so I’m excited to see some prospects there with serious natural ability like Davis and Wegher.

by RossWB on Jan 14, 2009 12:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think so too

His family is pushing pretty hard for Iowa because of that. It’s pretty much down to us and West Virginia from what I can gather talking to people who know recruiting in that area of the country better than I do.

by NorseHawk on Jan 14, 2009 9:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meaningless

To compare schools on their individual recruiting class rankings is a meaningless endeavor and one that should not cause any concern. This is particularly true with the bread and butter of Iowa’s program, the two and three star athletes. Once you get outside the “elite” players, most of these kids get only a minimal amount of actual evaluation, if any. At that point the kids are valued based on (a) physical stats (height, weight, 40 time, etc) and (b) game stats. In forming the ranks on these “non-studs,” they don’t watch these kids play a full game or practice, not mention talk to their coaches or find out about a kid’s potential to put an weight and change positions. Want a sampling of two stars over the past couple of years: Hampton (183rd running back accordin to ESPN) Fletcher, Godfrey, Elgin (as a linebacker), Spievey 2 stars. And lest we forget a certain Doak walker winner, that’s right Green got 2 stars. Pretty much nailed those assessments didn’t they. Would it be great if the ranks were filled with 4 and 5 stars prospects, of course. But guess what, that is not going to happen. Ever. So, sit back, trust that Ferentz and his staff know what they are doing with talent assessment, smoke ’em if you got em and patiently wait the 234 days till kick off.

If you ain't first, you're last

by three and out the kok story on Jan 14, 2009 9:54 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Greene was a 3 star recruit

And briefly a 4. They still screwed up on him, but not as badly as you’re making it sound. He was a sought after recruit.

I don’t have a problem at all with a class filled with 3 star guys. I was perfectly fine with last year’s class. But when it’s almost all 2 stars who’s only other offers are from the MAC, then I think there’s some cause for concern. You can’t bank on every low level recruit turning out like the guys you mentioned. I have faith that the staff CAN make it work, but it certainly makes things a lot harder.

by NorseHawk on Jan 14, 2009 10:13 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to get into a pissing match, but

out of high school green is listed as a two star. It was only after a year of prep school that he developed and rose in the rankings.
But that was not the point of my post. What I was trying to say was that 90% of the rankings after 4 stars is nothing more than the worst kind of rank speculation based on little to no actual evaluation. Of course not every 2 star turns into a pro and its more likely that a five star will pan out over a two star. I just don’t see the difference between three and two being that tangible or quantifiable to be overly worried.

Finally, if you look at Iowa’s average rankings since ’02, this class, while on the low end, is one or two three stars kids from being a very average Iowa class. From ’02 to ’08, the averages are 2.59, 2.81, 2.60, 3.22, 2.7, 2.95, and 2.59.

If you ain't first, you're last

by three and out the kok story on Jan 14, 2009 11:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn’t our recruiting coordinator “quit” before the the bowl season? Or I am just misrememberating?

by txhawkeye on Jan 14, 2009 10:56 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What? No.

Eric Johnson’s still here, even though he’s a rumored finalist for Alabama’s defensive coordinator position. We had a post on it like a week ago.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Oops Pow Surprise on Jan 14, 2009 10:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, I’m fucking stupid.

by txhawkeye on Jan 14, 2009 12:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love this place!

Who needs Google? Now, name the the four QBs that started at Notre Dame and in the Super Bowl?

If you get that one, then name the only two MLB players in history to ever get 100 hits from BOTH sides of the plate in the same season (as in switch hitters).

"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know." Bill Parcells

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 14, 2009 11:44 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had to lookup the answer to the MLB question

So I won’t post it. I’d never heard of either guy.

My favorite baseball trivia question is, “Which player had the most hits in the 1990s?”. I used to ask that to girls to see if they ever knew it. It was one of the tests I would use on them, besides the Bronx Tale Test, of course. Anyone know ever use that one?

by Duez I say on Jan 14, 2009 12:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That one's easy

I mean, it’s not anyone you’d expect, but it’s also basically the only thing anyone ever talks about when they talk about Mark Grace.

by NorseHawk on Jan 14, 2009 2:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No takers on the MLB question? Well then...the answer is

Willie Wilson and Gary Templeton. Ah, the late 70s & early 80s of MLB…when cheating was corked bats and stolen steal signs; oh, and triples were not the function of poor fielding, but of good hitting.

"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know." Bill Parcells

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 14, 2009 9:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ron Powlus, Ron Powlus, Ron Powlus, and Ron Powlus

You just been Beano’d

storminspank: "Or we could join you can take our pants off."

by Hawkeye State on Jan 15, 2009 3:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Correct...cheater.

"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know." Bill Parcells

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 14, 2009 12:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hornung doesn't fucking count!

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Oops Pow Surprise on Jan 14, 2009 2:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure he does

A QB at Nd and he started in the Super Bowl…wake up. It’s big boy trivia time. Which is, of course, right before bed time.

"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know." Bill Parcells

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 14, 2009 9:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Hornung also gets fucking podolaked from time to time.

by txhawkeye on Jan 14, 2009 10:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but only when

he’s trying to ease the pain of losing a shit-ton of money at the craps table.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 14, 2009 11:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You said "QBs that started at Notre Dame and the Super Bowl"

Hornung wasn’t a QB in the Super Bowl, QEDMF GIMME MY MONEY

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Oops Pow Surprise on Jan 14, 2009 11:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...and IN the Super Bowl...Einstein.

The questions was expertly worded to ask who were four QBs as ND that started in the Super Bowl.

"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know." Bill Parcells

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 15, 2009 9:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To look on the bright side...

I realize I am going to make a kind of deduction here based on some slanted logic, but go along with me for a minute here.

In a way in college sports of today, the 3 stars are as good and even arguably better for creating a team than the 5 star guys. I know this has been debated before by some actual “experts” but I can’t remember where I saw it, and am too lazy to provide any stats to back it up on my own so you’ll just have to take my word for it.

Basically the argument is that with the 3 and 4 star guys, they buy into the team element more, are more coachable, and work harder. Not only that, but they will be around for 5 years most of the time (including the Red Shirt) so they really learn the system well and are more familiar with each other. In college sports, everyone knows experience is very valuable.

The way I am looking at it is:
sure, we “only have some yellow chippers”, but we have some exciting guys coming in with some huge potential. Every 5 minutes on ESPN, the “more prestigious” programs are losing all their 5 star players to the NFL. For every new 5 star recruit many of those programs land, it is just to replace the former 5 star guy that left early and would have had more experience and been better…thus evening it out and making them equivilent to us anyway… in my book.

So USC had Dirty Sanchez at QB for a few years…whoopty doo? 5 Star Guy. Now all of a sudden they have to start an inexperienced QB against us in the 2010 Rose Bowl because Mr. 5 Star left them hangin. Balances it out a bit right?

I would rather face the new 5 star recruits instead of the old PJ Hill or Beanie Wells, Etc. So I am glad that happens here way less often (broke my heart Shonn)…they can have those guys. We have proven we can compete with our guys and system, and I think very good years are ahead.

I’m not saying I wouldn’t like the entire All-American team to commit to Iowa, I am just saying there are other ways to win, so I am not worried. 3 star recuits with some 4 star guys sprinkled in, hard work and exectution is the Iowa way.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Jan 15, 2009 3:59 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The ancillary point

is if it’s possible there’s a positive correlation between being a higher starred player and being a knucklehead, having the propensity to be a knucklehead, or posting pictures of yourself on Facebook with wads of cash in your mouth. I’m surmising young men read internet chatter and Rivals.com ratings of themselves. Following that logic, a highly starred player might be more likely to have a big ol’ head. To make up a totally random example – who might be working harder at their craft right now, Matt Cassel or Matt Leinart? Who might have appreciated their opportunity more, Shonn Greene or Reggie Bush? So long as we are fortunate enough to have KF at Iowa, it seems somewhat more likely the glamour gentleman at RB, WR and QB will bypass the Iowa’s of the world for the UTs, FLs, and the real USCs. That’s not to say we won’t luck into a Chase Daniel (although Pinkel basically turned his offense over to Daniel – bringing the system from Southlake Carroll he’d grown up playing), but I would argue talented LBs, TEs or OLs, who actually want to play this game and receive less attention and scouting, might be more drawn to the Iowa program. They don’t come to Iowa City for the weather or glamour. I loved it there, but I was from Cedar Rapids.

Just a thought – KF may have had has fill of dopin’ and stealin’, and is trying to keep the player offenses to drinkin’. Knuckleheads are knuckleheads and assholes are assholes – I get the sense the staff is giving greater thought to character.

by txhawkeye on Jan 15, 2009 5:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear this argument all the time and it's retarded

A bunch of the Iowa kids who were getting into trouble off the field were 2 and 3 star recruits. Also, as much as I love Shonn Greene, do you really want to use a guy who almost flunked out of school (and barely qualified to start with) and as an example of a guy who really appreciated his opportunity? He was very close to completely wasting it.

Again, the coaching staff isn’t really changing the level of player they go after. They’re still offering tons of highly ranked kids. What they aren’t doing at the moment is convincing them to actually sign, with the exception of local kids who grew up rooting for the team.

by NorseHawk on Jan 15, 2009 6:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 2 & 3 star troublemakers may be the case – but isn’t it at least a little likely they’re being more careful? And the Greene/Bush comparison may be retarded; it was just to illustrate a hypothetical with 2 players I could think of at the moment. Greene had trouble academically, but if he had law trouble I wasn’t aware of it. It seems the challenges of recruiting to Iowa City from FL, NJ or TX have always been there. I’d like to think that can change, but the style football KF plays isn’t terribly conducive to the flash.

by txhawkeye on Jan 15, 2009 9:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beanie Wells was rated as the best high school running back in the country

Also, no one would be upset with 3 star recruits with some 4 star guys sprinkled in. The current class, however, is mostly 2 star recruits with some 4 star guys mixed in.

by NorseHawk on Jan 15, 2009 6:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2* = 3*. There is no difference.

If they are from Florida or Texas they get 3*s. The same guys get 2* if they are from anywhere else. They just assume the competition level is lower and the skillset is less. These rankings don’t mean jack. Especially 1* either way. 4 is a 5. 4 is a 3. 3 is a 4. Who cares.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Jan 27, 2009 1:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um... you do realize Sanchez was a replacement* of a 5-star who was a replacement of a 5-star...

…who replaced a 5-star…

Yeah, that Trojan team, those Sooners, those Gators, those guys are really struggling to replace their talent.

I mean, sure, if you’re talking about a school like Iowa getting a 5-star guy every other year or a couple of 4-stars every year instead, maaaaaaaaybe, it might make sense. But when you’re the big time programs, and you’re getting 2, 3 or 4 5-star guys every year, I think you’re okay with having to replace Sanchez or Percy Harvin or Chris Wells.

Plus, it’s not like Dallas Clark didn’t leave early or anything.

*Booty wasn’t a high recruit at all, actually.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 17, 2009 6:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rivals doesn't have a star rating for him anymore for some reason

But I remember him signing there being a huge deal and everyone assuming he was going to take Leinart’s job almost immediately (this was before Leinart became Leinart). Scout pretty much sucks, but they had him at 5 stars and the top QB.

by NorseHawk on Jan 19, 2009 6:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honestly...

USC is beginning to prove the QBs are guys that might be a bit over-rated as a result of all the talent and coaching around them. USC QB is an enigma though, you could argue that any number of ways. Could you 100% say that Stanzi or even Christensen wouldn’t look as good playing for USC this year as the next 5* guy will look? I don’t think so.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Jan 18, 2009 10:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not saying I wouldn't want a USC team of all 5* guys.

I am saying it isn’t a must have or a make or break with us. In the Big Ten I am arguing it is just as good and competitive to build the players into the system. Does 5* matter? Not really.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Jan 18, 2009 10:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can't 100% say anything in this context.

Doesn’t mean it’s not a bizarro proposition.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 19, 2009 5:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We should be converting. I think.

I think that NorseHawk is correctomundo. We offer our share of 5 star and 4 star kids scholarships. They just don’t come. I kind of get it in a way. We are not in a great location for families from the football hotbeds to see their boy play (unless they are from the midwest-ish). You have to take a puddle jumper from Chicago just to get to CR and it racks up the cost and seems small time.

We also don’t play enough non-conference games in the areas where we would like to attract some recruits…like SoCal, Florida, Texas, and NJ. If we played non-conference games in SoCal, Florida or Texas (instead of Arizona!) we could get some publicity with these recruits.

I think the product we put on the field is fine. We prepare every position with the exception of maybe wide outs for the pros as well as anyone. Our head coach is a good guy, our campus is beautiful 2/5ths of the year and reasonably attractive another 1/5th (fugly as hell the other 2/5ths).

Football is a big deal in the state and great players become legends. We play in good bowl games, often even better than we deserve. The academics are first rate but not impossibly demanding. There are more than a few good burger joints near campus, although the tang is average.

I don’t know…it is what it is I guess. Although, how did Nebraska get all those studs for years? We have a better package than that shithole.

"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know." Bill Parcells

by StoopsMyAss on Jan 15, 2009 9:38 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No doubt it is a very difficult place to recruit players too

And it’s awesome that the staff is so great at developing the kids they get. Given the choice between coaches who can just recruit (Zook) and coaches who have trouble recruiting but get the best out of the players they sign, I’ll take the latter every time. However, it’s possible to do both, I think. Not getting those elite athletes makes things that much harder, and poor location aside, I think we good be doing a much better job than we have been the last two years. Like you said, the program has a lot more to offer than the classes we’re bringing in would indicate.

by NorseHawk on Jan 15, 2009 11:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Old and maybe still true

…it’s easier for kids who’ve had their egos built all their lives to find themselves a nice niche in places like Florida and Southern California than they would in Iowa City, etc. To put it bluntly, if an athlete were prone to jeopardizing their collegiate future with payoffs from shady boosters and special treatment, it’ll happen in those types of places. That’s not an indictment of the schools located there, but rather the cities they exist within.

Matt Leinart was banging Paris Hilton while he was still a student at USC. That’s some special access that isn’t made available to most other athletes.

For Iowa to land a 5-star guy, he’s gotta be a special kind of athlete that really buys into the team, and especially his position coach.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Jan 15, 2009 9:54 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The stars are worthless...

I guess this brings this back around in a circle, but Iowa probably does get 5 star talent from time to time. They are instead just kids from small schools in Iowa and surrounding states where the Rivals.coms and Scouts.coms of the world don’t bother to really go see…those sites just hear a bit and give them 3 or 4 stars and assume they aren’t as good as the players in Texas or Florida. Then those 3 and 4 star rated guys come to Iowa and have brilliant careers and we hang banners of them on our beautiful stadium. I’ll take it all day long. The star ratings are a joke for the most part. Many of the 5 star guys flop and many of the 3’s win Heismans and Doaks and everything else. Who cares about star ratings. Rate guys after they graduate college instead.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Jan 15, 2009 11:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5* talent...

One of the factors of guys being given the 5* rating is how ready they are to make an instant impact — think your Reggie Bushes or Adrian Petersons. Those guys could immediately step in and make a big-time impact. That’s not always true with 5* guys (sometimes it seems to be more about the potential they seem to have based on their measurables), but it is a big factor. Iowa doesn’t get a lot of guys that are ready to make a big-time impact as soon as they step on the field — they mold guys into big-time players. Was Chad Greenway a 5* talent by the time he left Iowa? Yeah, I’d say so. Was he a 5* talent when he walked onto campus? No, not really. He needed a couple years of molding before he ever played a lot and played at a high level.

by RossWB on Jan 16, 2009 10:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly...the 5 stars are bull and insignificant.

They have been annointed by some scout to have the potential to make an immediate impact…but my argument still stands that they don’t make that impact most of the time, and the 3/4 star guys end up being better most of the time.

Look at the All Big Ten Team this year. There are 24 players on the first team. There are only 2 5* guys. Boone the OL from Ohio State and either Williams from PSU OR WR Benn from Illini depending on which All Big Ten Team you use. There are only three 4* guys, Shipley, Maybin and Odrick all from PSU. The rest are all 3’s and 2’s.

3* =14 (Seth Olson, Mitch King)
2* =5 (Shonn Greene, Brandon Myers)
4* =3
5* =2

Further, to say there is an immdiate impact by the 5* guys is even more proved wrong here because the two that made the first team are SRs now and didn’t contribute much at all when they were Freshman.

Look at Pryor at The Ohio Suck University. He was the Holy Golden boy out of high school. He had an impact this year and was the Frosh of the Year. But his impact came at a huge price due to poor decisions under pressure and general lack of experience. I think most people that follow Ohio State would tell you they would have won as many games with him getting a red shirt. Sure, he got experience for that price, but by the time that experience pays off he is gone for the NFL already…you’ll see.

Past Big 10 5* Recruits:

2005 (We had Jake Christensen and Moaki as 4*!)
IOWA – OL Dan Doering
Mich – RB Kevin Grady
OSU – OL Alex Boone
PSU – DB Justin King
            ATH Derrick Williams
PUR – LB Kyle Williams

2006
PSU – DB AJ Wallace
OSU – RB Beanie Wells
            DE Robert Rose
MICH- LB Brandon Graham
            OL Stephen Schilling

2007
MICH- QB Ryan Mallett
             DB Donovan Warren
ILLIN- WR Arurueurulius Benn
            DE Martez Wilson
WIS – OL Josh Oglesby

2008
OSU – OL Mike Adams
            OL Michael Brewster
            WR DeVier Posey
            QB Terrelle Pryor

Which of those had the big “immediate impact”? Pryor which I already discussed, and who? Maybe Beanie Wells? Not a bad Freshman year not great, and he left before his senior year so it balances out. Maybe Benn could be argued as an impact at Illinois, but his Freshman year didn’t land him on the 1st or 2nd team of All Big 10.

Our last 5* guy? Doering. How has that been?

Seriously and in conclusion, the Big 10 is won with building players and teams, not recruiting them. We do a great job of that at Iowa. Most of the 5 stars guys just disappoint or go pro quick and most of the studs are 3* upperclassmen. I would rather have a player graduate as a 5* talent then come in as one. The “Scouting Experts” are just like weather forecasters. It’s easy to predict the obvious stuff and the rest of their predictions miss badly more often than not. Take it for what it is…worthless.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Jan 16, 2009 2:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pryor had a bigger impact than any 4-star or less recruit frosh QB playing in the Big Ten.

I think you are seriously underestimating the difficulty in being able to come in as a freshman playing QB.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 17, 2009 6:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No. That's actually exactly my point.

Just because you are a magical 5* stud doesn’t mean you can step right in and be as good as the rest of the “junk 3* and 4*” recruits that have the experience factor.

I understand you might have missed that in that 14 page essay above, but I specifically did say Prior contributed…and then said I don’t think it was better for the team that he did than if he had redshirted. Yes he did do well…but to say “for a Freshman” is still saying he wasn’t great relative to the entire position and league.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Jan 18, 2009 10:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but he still had a bigger impact than some 3* recruit off the street would have.

which is the point.

I thought.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 19, 2009 5:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

J Leman = 50*

Because that’s the number of stars the flag, and freedom, has.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jan 20, 2009 11:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Happy

Glad to see this blog, I just signed up today.
That being said, I am really happy with our class thus far. I think we had a few specific needs (OL being the biggest) and we addressed them. Would I love to have had that ass hat from Valley back, yes. But I think we’ll be fine without him.

Davis and Wegher – Complete studs.

Cotton – This guy is a great athlete and will make an impact where ever he ends up.

Boffeli, Van Sloten and Clark- Boffeli was a great last minute OL signing to go with the other 2. 3 Very Solid OL with potential, something that we needed to get and did.

Anthony Schiavone- Has a good chance to be starting TE in 2 years

Brad Rogers and Stephane Ngoumou- The rich keep getting richer. With our now VERY deep RB and WR closet, we have two guys that have a ton of potential who we can red-shirt and just sit back and watch them develop.

I’m sure the Tyler Harrell’s, Josh Brown’s, Scott Covert’s and Micah Hyde’s of the world will probably suprise the hell out of us as so many of Iowa’s players do. But even if they dont, I think those top 9 or 10 guys could really be impact players.

I think that one of the biggest reasons on why we had such a low ranking is that we only had a handful of scholarships to give out this year. I remember having classes with 5 and 4 star guys in them and having middle of the pack rankings because we only gave out 10 scholarships that year. I bet that has a lot to do with it this year. Especially since we all know we have a MUCH better class than IA State.

by GoHawks2k7 on Jan 27, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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