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The Problem(s) With Iowa Basketball

Though we haven't spent much editorial space on the Hawkeyes' basketball team (largely because their games have been scheduled for Friday nights, Sunday mornings, and the curious "as soon as you fall asleep"), we're still watching, thinking, fact-gathering. And though the team is undoubtedly improved--even with a 1-3 conference mark, they're 11-6, and they didn't get their 11th win until February 2nd last season--that 1-3 record isn't quite where fans would like to see the Hawkeyes.

The animus has reached such a fever pitch, in fact, that the basketball forum on our favorite Hawkeye message board (no, not that one; not that one either) has become a functionally unreadable cacophony of "FUCK THE SYSTEM" and "LICKLITER WOULD RATHER PLAY HIS SYSTEM THAN WIN" and "SPEED IT UP YOU COCKMASTER." Setting aside the nonsense, like the notion that there's a coach anywhere that doesn't want to win, there are three glaring faults with the Iowa basketball team (the first feeding the last two), and while Lickliter isn't absolved of blame, they're all matters of personnel.

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1) This team is still incredibly young. Here are the players who have been in the Iowa program for at least three years:

F Cyrus Tate (SR)
F J.R. Angle (SR)

Basically one legitimate, clear-cut starter, and then DanJRous. There's your long-standing, institutional knowledge.

And the list of players in their second year:

G Jeff Peterson (SO)
G Jake Kelly (SO)
F Jarryd Cole (SO)
F David Palmer (JR)

This list is even more depressing, because it goes (in order): a 2-star prospect who should have redshirted last season and who wouldn't start on most teams this year; another kid who maybe should have redshirted (but played well) and may have regressed from last year (though we can kinda understand why); an undersized forward whose PT has been cut in half in the aftermath of a major knee injury, and that guy from 24.

That's it. The rest are first-year players, and it's looking increasingly like the foundation of the program will be built on the first year guys instead of the sophomore class. It's one thing to have a young team; it's even worse when the weaknesses are largely contained to the more experienced players. Indictment of Lickliter? Maybe, but what is any coach going to do with, let's say, Cole or Peterson? They're not BXI-level players yet.

2) Cyrus Tate and Anthony Tucker are out. With Tate in the game, Iowa at least has a shot at establishing a semblance of an inside game, whether it be through scoring, rebounding, or defending the opponents' #1 big man. But when Tate went down yelping during the Minnesota game, all hell broke loose, and what was a suffocating dominance of the Gophers turned into, well, justifiable cause to suffocate yourself.

Obviously, It really didn't help when Jake Kelly, holding the ball with about 4 seconds to play and a chance to tie the game with a 3, instead hoisted a half-court shot that mysteriously failed. But Minnesota got back into the game by dominating the boards and jumping passing lanes while Iowa fruitlessly tossed the basketball back and forth around the perimeter, utterly devoid of an inside threat on offense.

Tate may or may not be back for the Hawks' next game against Purdue; God help us if he's not and his minutes go to Cole (who's basically Hot Rod Thompson with two more inches and one fewer knee) and Dr. Disaster, Andrew Brommer. Brommer may well one day be a serviceable big man in the league, maybe even by a year from now, but Good Jesus, the last Hawkeye I can remember getting major minutes while being so terrifyingly unsuited to be on the court was, like, Alex Thompson. So the question is, can Tate go from wearing a walking boot on Sunday to playing one week later? And speaking of questions, why in the hell is Iowa playing another Sunday morning game?! Is this enough to get Barta fired?

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And then there's Anthony Tucker.

The Frozen Caveman Shooter is still on the bench, now recovering from mononucleosis, a particularly insidious disease for a basketball player. High-level guard play is usually based on shooting ability, usually based on ball-handling, and usually based on knowledge of the offense. It is ALWAYS, however, based on conditioning, which suffers in a bad, bad way with a case of mono. At this point, it's probably gravy if Tucker sees more than 5 minutes a game before March rolls around.

That's a shame, because as anyone who watched him play before the retardations set in knows, he has a gorgeous release on his jumper (that sounded Kincheny) and it was no accident that he was leading the team in scoring. There's a lot to be said for confidence in a shooter, and there isn't an ounce of panic in Tucker's game. Sure, Bawinkel's fine in replacement, but he's clearly not as good, especially with the ball in his hands. Tucker is a much more natural player overall, and like Tate, Iowa needs him back.

3) The team is sorely lacking at the point. One of the hallmarks of a good perimeter-oriented team is the ability to effectively distribute the ball, usually via the point guard. While we don't doubt Matt Gatens' basketball acumen, he's definitely not the kind of ball-handler (lol) you want bringing the ball up against a press, or trying to shake a good defender 1-on-1. He's not that athletic.

So while Gatens is probably your highest basketball-IQ guy, the point responsibilities go to Jeff Peterson, who as we discussed before, is not very good yet. Jermain Davis has also seen some time bringing the ball up the court, but he's definitely not a natural 1-spot and is at his most effective on the wing.

Peterson, to be sure, has shown some improvement; his shooting totals are way, way up across the board, and his steals have vastly improved as well. Of course, that's with 15 fewer BXI games than last year, but hush, folks, details. The one area where Peterson hasn't improved is turnovers; those remain at 3.1 per game, same as last year, and likely to rise now that there's no more superdirectionals or "Bryant" on the schedule. And having a point guard who can't effectively and smartly distribute the ball or at least set it in motion to eventually hit the open man on the wing is basically a guarantee of not making the tournament.

The one seriously glaring problem with this point guard situation is, um, Lickliter gave away a returning senior starter at that very position. Yes, Tony Freeman drove Lick insane, but it's not like World B. Freeman was the only thing keeping that team from sustained success. They were just plain bad, and without depth at the point (seriously, you couldn't tell Palmer or Lieutenant Angle that they "didn't fit into your vision for the team" instead?), this team might be just as bad when the dust settles on the conference standings in March.

Look, we're not saying "Iowa + Freeman = 17-0 in 08-09!!!", but this is a team that could desperately use his athleticism (especially now that he's not coming off a squeaky wheel) and his ability to hit contested shots. We understand that the Iowa offense is predicated on ball movement and getting guys open shots, and really, to that specific end, it hasn't been ineffective (check out that PPS). The problem is what happens when there's 5 seconds left on the shot clock, the man with the ball is covered, and there's no readily apparent 3-pass progression to get the ball to a wide-open shooter (or even if the guys are in place, defenders are laying back and praying for a pass through their lane). Freeman had a rather uncanny ability to get a good shot off under pressure, moreso than what most of the guys on this current iteration of Iowa Basketball have.

At the very least, keeping Freeman would have given Lickliter an opportunity to show potential recruits that he allows point guards to excel and put up stats in his system. Considering Lickliter's alternative course of action and the landscape of incoming commits, we're a little less than optimistic that this offense is fewer than 2-3 years away from really clicking. Hope Lickliter's got a Plan B, and soon.

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I know the guy who had the first post...

I was stationed with him at Beale AFB. Good dude. Him and I once won 900 dollars out of 1000 for Super Bowl squares. Good times.

by TarHeelHawk on Jan 13, 2009 11:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You are correct, sir

To say that Lickliter would intentionally lose ballgames based solely on principle is patently absurd. But it’s not so absurd (in fact, I’m pretty sure it’s 100% correct) to say Lickliter is a system coach with a whole hell of a lot of freshmen and sophomores out there and only a year and change with the upperclassmen. I don’t want to say he only knows one way to play the game, but he knows how he wants it to be played. He wants to win, but he’s probably willing to sacrifice a win or two this year for the four or five he’ll get two years from now by keeping these guys in that system.

As for Freeman, well, I’m not one to say I told you so but I kinda told you so.

storminspank: "Or we could join you can take our pants off."

by Hawkeye State on Jan 13, 2009 11:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't pretend to know this so well

but from what I’ve watched I believe Lickliter’s going to play his way. I don’t think it’s a bad thing, it’s just horribly ugly right now. Switching from Voldemort (10-7 so far) was mandatory, Lick needed to purge those players, and this is yr 2. As frustrating and unwatchable as it is now, Lick’s Yr 3 will be better, and Yr 4 will be better still. Anything approaching .500 in a lousy Big Televen this year would mean he deserves COTY.

by txhawkeye on Jan 13, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You did call that correct

But I stand by my assessment. I’d rather he be gone, because as you concede, TL is a system coach. And Freeman didn’t fit into the system. He could have broken down a few presses, and he could have gotten some needed shots off, but it wouldn’t have done much for the one season he was here. The team is better off, to me, by struggling through this and at least learning by playing, an extra loss or two per season or not.

by imadirtyoldman on Jan 13, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's perfectly reasonable, and that's the tradeoff

This was likely to be a lost season based solely on pesonnel, so I don’t disagree with letting Freeman go to let Peterson learn the ropes. I think we’re probably 13-4 (with 2 top 25 wins) with him, is all.

I still have faith that the program will be back in a couple of years. I just hope there’s someone still watching if and when that happens.

storminspank: "Or we could join you can take our pants off."

by Hawkeye State on Jan 13, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

Although I’m getting increasingly tired of all the alleged “Hawkeye” fans who do nothing more than bitch about who’s coaching. I rode Alford’s ass for a couple of years before he finally left, but it seems like some disillusioned fans think that Iowa will be playing for the NC year in and year out. Worse yet, in basketball, some fans seem to think that Iowa should be top-3 or not worth watching. It is insulting to the players that are brought in with the notion that Hawkeye Nation is alive and living, and it is insulting to those Iowa fans who are true believers.

So yeah. Fans of Iowa basketball need a wake-up call something fierce.

by imadirtyoldman on Jan 13, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I may just be speaking for myself here...

But, yeah… I expect the Hawks to be better than they are. But I understand what Lickliter was stuck with, and I understand what he is trying to do. We will never be a perennial NC contender or even top 15, let alone top-3 because, let’s face it, this region of the country produces solid basketball players, but not the kind of athletes it takes to be that kind of program. However, I do expect that (after Lickliter has a couple more years of big-time ball and big-time recruiting under his belt) we be in the Dance more often than not, and reach the Sweet 16 once in a while.
The problem I have with Lickliter, even though I believe in the guy, is that the basketball is unwatchable. I am still a fan, and I want like hell that he gets this thing turned around, but I just can’t watch it. Maybe I was spoiled by growing up with the Tom-Davis-40-minutes-of-hell basketball, or maybe I just have a short attention span, or maybe I am more tolerant of boring football than boring basketball. The fact, for me at least, remains that I will tune in for a few minutes at a time, and I will always root for them, I just can’t sit down and watch a game. I understand, again, that he doesn’t have a lot in the way of personnel, but even when we get to where we are going, I think it is still going to be painfully boring basketball. Sometimes that is fine (Iowa 43 Michigan St 36), but most of the time (Iowa 50-ish, Name-your-random-team-from-a-one-bid-league 40-ish) it is ugly.

by shada's revenge on Jan 13, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get that

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see a 105-90 shootout every day of the week (as Roy Williams is my favorite offensive basketball coach of all time), and I’d kill to see Iowa play a Nolan Richardson-esque version of the “40-minutes of hell,” as you mentioned, but why can’t you see the beauty in TL’s approach?

I’ll freely admit that defensive struggles aren’t nearly as “pretty” to watch, but they carry just as much basketball beauty as any other brand (assuming it’s a defensive struggle, and not offensive ineptitude, which is partially what Iowa is struggling with right now). I guess my problem is with people that can’t see the forest for the trees. Don’t you see that a win is a win, and if we’re playing “Iowa” basketball to get to that W, then it shouldn’t matter if “Iowa” basketball and your version of pretty basketball aren’t the same thing.

Admittedly, Iowa needs an influx of athleticism, it needs a point guard who can break down a press / zone / pressure defense, but otherwise, I love watching this team play. You’re starting to see guys make few mental errors (nobody mention Jake Kelly), most shots are wide open, and it isn’t often that the team is out of position defensively (nobody mention the entire Michigan game). Point being, this team is fun to watch, and it kills me that I can’t watch them grow on TV more often. And I’m appalled (no offense, Shada) at those fans who don’t watch because the game isn’t “pretty” enough for them. Would you rather take Alford back?

by imadirtyoldman on Jan 13, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know where to start...

I would never have Alford back…. Lickliter is the guy, just like I said before. I love the style of “d” we play, I love how tough they are, and I love the heart they play with (just got done having a discussion with some dude named Cyrus about that). They have made great strides. I would, however, enjoy (not 105-90) the ability to win 80-65. There is beauty in both a defensive struggle and offensive ineptitude, see again Iowa 43-MSU 36. However… I have seen inexcusable offensive ineptitude, despite unbelievably physical and defensive basketball. “Dirty”, you mention that most of our shots are wide open, and you are right. But I would venture a guess that 80% of the time we don’t get a wide open shot (I’m looking for OPS, HS, HFMR, or anybody to either prove or deny this) we turn the ball over or force a terrible shot in last three seconds of the shot clock. Our people need to be able to create something off the dribble, instead of driving for no other purpose than to hope somebody has a better shot than them. As of a year and 17 games of the Lickliter era, we have had no one that can do that, and no inkling that it is going to happen. I will give you that, at times (2nd half ISU and @OSU, 1st half MINN) this team is very fun to watch. I love the back door cuts and drive and find the man on the perimeter that they do from time-to-time (btw I hope you mean fewer mental errors, because there are still a lot). I don’t care about “pretty”, I care about fundamental and I haven’t seen it offensively with near enough consistency. Case in point, we went over 10 min without a FG against the Gophers, which is exactly what I hated about Alford. I’m drunk so feel free to argue with whatever I have just said.

by shada's revenge on Jan 14, 2009 3:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

goddamn

I don’t know how to work the italics thing

by shada's revenge on Jan 14, 2009 3:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wake Up Call?

I would settle for fans to actually attend basketball games. I was blinded by the empty seats during the Minnesota game.

What? They don't have TV in the D-League? Don't watch me, watch TV.

by Mac G on Jan 13, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"system coaches"

As a Michigan fan, I can assure you that during this football season, I’ve heard many “Rodriguez is a system coach”/“He’s more concerned with running his system than winning” arguments take place. Hawkeye State is right that no coach is going to willfully lose games based on principle, but there is something else being completely overlooked by such an argument:

Lickliter is where is is by playing a specific sort of basketball. Iowa hired him, one would assume, because he was successful playing that style of basketball. Lickliter is a coach who coaches a specific way – why would he change? This brand of basketball is what he coaches. You wouldn’t hire Mike D’Antoni and ask him to play like the early-90’s Pat Riley Knicks, right? It’s hard to castigate Lickliter for refusing to adapt his style to a different way of play – if Iowa wanted a guy who wound press for 40 minutes and run and gun up the floor, they would have hired him, not hired Lickliter and asked him to do something he doesn’t know.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.blogspot.com

by chitownblue on Jan 13, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm happy with 11-6

Not thrilled. HAPPY. What did you expect? I could see it easily being much worse than this. We need to look at this for what it really is…a rebuilding project in year 2. It really sucks for a lot of you I understand, but we have to grin and bear it.

The main thing is we are young, and the new system is already keeping other teams from scoring much against us. As crazy and unorthodox as it looks to watch the game, and as frustrating as it is to know we can’t break a press and pose no threat offensively, we need to be patient. Those things will come.

I’m gonna go ahead and say it. I think it might be a blessing that Tate is missing time this year. We need to get used to being without him anyway. Gatens, Kelly, Peterson, (other 6’4" guy), (other 6’6" guy). This is the future of our program, and I have a feeling we are going to be very pleased in 2 years. Progress doesn’t come without a little sacrifice and suffering.

The thing we can and should control is the attendance issue. This is embarrassing and shameful. I can’t believe people can’t show up and support this team. They are still our beloved Hawkeyes and we need to be there for them. If I can drive to games from Omaha, some of you guys should be able to make it to some games from where you are. Get out and support Hawkeye basketball. It is still Hawkeye basketball. We are Iowa fans, right now we are looking like fairweather fans or even worse…jNW. Show some pride.

Pride and patience…that should be the goal for 2008 and 2009.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Jan 13, 2009 12:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

As long as we win in Minny in a few weeks

I could care less about all of this. I need my money back from the first match-up. Unless they keep shooting 9 of 9 from 3-point range. Then I’m packing in my Big Ten Network viewing until March.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Jan 13, 2009 2:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

SONuva!

I thought the Big Ten was balancing the schedules this year. CRAP! Now I have to hope for a Big Ten tourney matchup to get my money back from the Gopher office-mates.

And it looks like we only get Illinois once, too. That’s bad luck. At least we get Indiana and jNW twice.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Jan 13, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Iowa is the 24th Youngest Team in the Nation

322 teams are “older” than Iowa. That’s huge.

by storminspank on Jan 13, 2009 4:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY...BINGO...RIGHTY RIGHT!

“Iowa is the 24th Youngest Team in the Nation” That means in 2 years EXPERIENCE like we haven’t had in a long time and a lot of teams never get anymore. We could make a run in 2 years. Stick around “fans”. In the meantime GO TO THE GAMES AND SUPPORT THE TEAM.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Jan 13, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Buy my tickets...I can't afford it

Just kidding, but seriously, I don’t have the money

by shada's revenge on Jan 14, 2009 3:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Our ten-man rotation consists of 4 freshman, 3 sophomores, 2 juniors, and 1 senior. 2-3 years from now should be a lot of fun, I expect 20-25 wins by then. This year 15 wins is my goal.

It will be fun watching these guys grow up though, Matt Gatens is awesome, and because nobody goes to the games, I get great baseline seats every time :)

by studbucket on Jan 14, 2009 8:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We still need a legit Big XI big man in order to contend

A 6-11 guy with good post moves and good rebounding and/or shot blocking. Doesn’t need to be Greg Oden, but someone along the lines of Jared Reiner or Acie Earl would be nice.

A bonafide PG would be nice too.

by rockyh on Jan 14, 2009 9:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He said 'we,' not 'everyone'

That Purdue team was good enough to get by without a legit inside man. We are not.

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Oops Pow Surprise on Jan 14, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Michigan is giving it a go this year too

The only “big man” they have, Zach Gibson, seemingly travels every other time he tries to do something with the ball, and doesn’t have post moves, rebounding or shotblocking. They play with “6 foot 8” (maybe he’s 6’7", probably an inch shorter even) DeShawn Sims as the biggest guy on the floor most of the time.

It can be painful watching a new system (believe me, we’re abundantly familiar with it at Michigan, having watched it in both basketball and football) but Lick knows what he’s doing. I’ve watched plenty of Butler as my wife is an alum. The system works, and not just in the Horizon League.

The difference between Michigan and Iowa is that Michigan already had Sims and Harris to work with, two guys who were just barely outside the Rivals 5-star range (Sims was the first 4-star his year, Manny just a few spots below). Iowa had that guy and he transferred through no fault of Iowa, as I think Tyler Smith would have transferred even had Alford still been the coach. The only difference is Alford might have been a dick about it.

Oh, and if you’re worried about no one watching when they get good again, don’t worry. They come back when you win. Always.

by Yinka Double Dare on Jan 14, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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