.194 !?!

Here's hoping something else.

Here’s hoping his mom slaps the shit out of him, because he’s lucky he’s not dead. 9 degrees fahrenheit and the kid is passed out in an alley. This one: really not funny.

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by Bellanca on Dec 9, 2008 3:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Bellanca is right. Tucker is very very lucky.

Even if he hadn’t stayed out long enough to catch death, if he loses one single finger, he can kiss basketball goodbye. He should be thankful that the cumulative consequences of getting blinding drunk at the U-Bar are only a drinking ticket, a short but unpleasant hospital stay, and indefinite-but-not-season-threatening suspension.

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by Oops Pow Surprise on Dec 9, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

True that

frostbite, hypothermia and death are real possibility when someone is out in that kind of cold. He’s lucky that

A: Someone found him and called the paramedics
B: He has all his digits

by TarHeelHawk on Dec 9, 2008 6:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

And lest we forget so soon...

Iowa City winters are viciously unkind to those who pass out drunk.

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by Oops Pow Surprise on Dec 9, 2008 6:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

What the hell?

Kelsay said it’s not uncommon for Iowa City Police to find intoxicated people in snowbanks this time of year, but the severity of this case is unique.

What the hell is going on over? Is this a result of that Iowa vodka?

by Screen Name 20 on Dec 10, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Can You Imagine This Headline?

Hawkeyes Leading Scorer Found Dead, Frozen, Beer-Embalmed in Alley

—Mason Promises Full Investigation, Also Plans to Fire Somebody and Blame Him

——Hawkeyes Wear “Tucker” Patch in Remembrance on Left Jersey Strap. It’s Black. Coeds Weep on Camera

———“He was a great guy,” say former teammates. “We didn’t realize he wanted to drink himself to death. Hey, it’s a party, ya know?”

*

What’s wrong with this picture? Have fun, walk home, get up in the morning with a headache if you have to. Drunk and incoherent, literally dying, at 19, in an alley in the middle of winter? No. It’s really time for someone in authority to stand up and call timeout. This is pathetic, stupid, dangerous. Not good, not funny. Count me out.

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by Bellanca on Dec 9, 2008 8:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

My chemistry teacher told me the way these readings work

you take the number and divide it by two. So, .194 is equal to 9-10 drinks. They cannot be more than 40 minutes apart or you have to add a drink. Bottomline, what bartender was serving him up? If he had 9 drinks in two hours that is like, one every 15 minutes. No wonder he is so steely on those 3 pointers. He’s soused, from the weekend before. The suspension is so he ccan sober up…I would need 3/4 games just to get back to square.

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by StoopsMyAss on Dec 9, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Still not funny.

We were one snow-drift away from having a dead 19 year-old ballplayer. If he were my son he’d be withdrawn from school. Fucking Mason needs to wake up and confront a campus-wide public health and safety problem.

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by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 7:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Its not funny, but

I think its a tinge reactionary to place any of this Mason or the University. I totally wouldn’t blame Tucker’s parents for yanking him out of school (though a good slap upside the head is probably more appropriate), but not because the University did anything wrong. The University bombards freshman with all the appropriate information about drinking. But when it comes to a Saturday night, what is Mason, Lick or anyone with the school supposed to be doing? There is already a ridiculous number of police downtown. Should Mason be checking ID in the bars? Should the bars require a breath test after every drink? This is an issue of personal responsibility. And I don’t want to hear that he is “only” 18 or 19. There is no evidence that this wasn’t solely his conscious decision to go out and get shit bombed. However, besides Tucker, who in my opinion deserves most of the blame here, my question is where the hell were his friends. For better or worse, I (and most of my friends) were well-beyond blind drunk on numerous occassions, but we all looked after each other to make sure we either left together or (though not very often) with someone of the fairer sex. Tucker messed up, his friends dropped the ball, but this simply isn’t a university issue.

by three and out the kok story on Dec 10, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We never watched out for each other

I wouldn’t say we abandoned each other but there’s only so much you worry about an average college guy. I mean, unless he has a real problem or something. Otherwise we would go home, crash, and wait for great stories the next morning.

I’m not a father, so I’m not going to judge Bellanca’s reaction. But personally I wouldn’t put the responsibility on the University.

by Duez I say on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

as a freshman I had to do this stupid, horrible awkward, trying to be cool

alcohol.edu course. The university is trying, but young college students do some stupid shit. It happens. He’s lucky, but not any dumber or any more an example of the university failing than any of the many others that act like retards and get themselves in a similar situation.

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by shake n bake on Dec 10, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He’s lucky, although I have a hard time blaming this on the university. I’m guessing the u or ic police pick someone up – what? – 2+x per week? I got shitfaced and stumbled or was driven home (across the Iowa River, some nights it would have been fun to jump in) – plenty o’ times, but never was I out alone. You don’t go out alone in college. It seems the alcohol poisonings you read about aren’t like this – but kids who’s friends drop them in bed to sleep it off and don’t check back on them. He may be luckier than not he drank in public. Anyway, thank god it wasn’t worse – for his and his family’s sake. Way down the list of those who are fortunate in this are the school.

by txhawkeye on Dec 10, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Indeed, sir.

He may be luckier than not he drank in public. Anyway, thank god it wasn’t worse"

Indeed, the number one reason why trying to “clean up” downtown, or whatever euphamism for “try to kick out all the bars” people are throwing around these days. All the drinking in this town is in a centralized area with a heavy police (and bar staff) presence. All the horror stories you read about people dying of alcohol poisoning, choking on their own vomit, etc? Always happens at private parties. Not to mention what would surely be an increase in DUI, sexual assault, and god knows what else.

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by Not Marv Cook on Dec 10, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would concur

That it’s a bit reactionary. Bellanca, I completely understand your point that it’s a safety issue. But at the same time, it’s a safety issue anytime your average college kid goes out to the bars and drinks. This one just happened to get too drunk. And got caught in a horribly compromising position. Listen, the kid made a mistake, and it could have cost him. But mistakes are made all the time, and something tells me, you’ve made a similarly stupid decision at some point in time in your life (drinking or no). To say that Mason, TL, Ferentz, or the ICPD are at fault is a little unfair. Instead, let’s go ahead and chalk this up to an unfortunate move on Tucker’s part, celebrate that nothing too terrible happened, and move along to the next game? There are plenty of other stupid decisions being made all over the country, and hanging Tucker et al won’t solve them. You can’t solve the stupidity of a college kid, regardless of who you call and who you blame.

by imadirtyoldman on Dec 10, 2008 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Like anything else,

it’s a matter of being accountable for your decisions. I’m not hanging Tucker, because I don’t think he’s a man yet. I’m just horrified, though, as a parent at what almost happened. There is a tipping point in all things. I have tipped.

You’ll laugh, but I would just send anyone busted for public intoxication home. Kick them out. Let them reapply for admission after six months. I would do whatever I could do, at the same time, to press for a lower drinking age. Switzerland has it about right: it’s 16.

(BTW, this will be the athletic department’s policy, I predict. One and done, and you can reapply for your scholarship in six months. If this kid had died the entire athletic program would have been blamed.)

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by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 10:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Like anything else,

it’s a matter of being accountable for your decisions. I’m not hanging Tucker, because I don’t think he’s a man yet. I’m just horrified, though, as a parent at what almost happened. There is a tipping point in all things. I have tipped.

You’ll laugh, but I would just send anyone busted for public intoxication home. Kick them out. Let them reapply for admission after six months. I would do whatever I could do, at the same time, to press for a lower drinking age. Switzerland has it about right: it’s 16.

(BTW, this will be the athletic department’s policy, I predict. One and done, and you can reapply for your scholarship in six months. If this kid had died the entire athletic program would have been blamed.)

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by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 10:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Ahhhh, I getcha

Your position makes more sense. I guess I’m not to that stage as a parent yet, so I don’t agree (though mine is only 22 months, so a shade too young to even contemplate drinking).

As for the drinking age, I would agree that it should be lowered; however, I say 18 is a much more likeable option, as 16-year-olds barely know how to drive, let alone drink and be safe about it. Even then, if we lower it to 18, I’d also say we up the driving age to match, or at least eliminate the possibility of permits at 14 (permits at 16, licenses at 18). But that’s an argument for another day.

by imadirtyoldman on Dec 10, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But he didn't die.

He did something really, really stupid, that more college freshmen than we’d like to admit do, and he got lucky. Hopefully he learned from his mistake and will continue to learn. Extra alcohol classes? Sure. Extra Carver stairs until he can hardly breathe with Lickliter continually reminding him what a moron he was and how lucky he is? You bet. A healthy suspension? Absolutely.

Six months out of the University? Not even close to what the kid needs to learn from this. He needs the support of his coach and teammates. I’m a parent of a teenager and even I think you’re way over the top with this one.

by DonnyDonovan on Dec 10, 2008 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Still, the threshold for catastrophe isn't "death" here

It’s frostbite, and that’s way, way easier to accomplish outside on a cold night. What happens if the cops find him at 4 instead of 2? What happens if one of his index fingers needs to go?

I’m in agreement, though, that 6 months away isn’t an appropriate punishment, mainly because he’s not going to learn how to act responsibly on a college campus without actually being on a college campus.

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by Oops Pow Surprise on Dec 10, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

assign whoever was on Shonn Greene's acedemics this semester to monitor Tucker's drinking

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by shake n bake on Dec 10, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Where you're misguided

is in your assumption that “acting responsibly on a college campus” involves learning to navigate this drinking insanity. It doesn’t. This behavior is not default behavior. It’s not a given, and it’s not normal. It teaches one nothing about being a self-supporting adult. It doesn’t get one into law school. It doesn’t teach one how to make a payroll or write a sentence. A campus does require one to learn to manage time, accept that someone else might be smarter, and live with a retard during freshman year in a shoebox dorm room.

But this business about Tucker and others benefitting from exposure to life-threatening drinking is just stupid. He doesn’t need to learn how to perform life threatening drinking safely. He needs to take himself a six pack to the library and get his shit done. If his girlfriend dumps him, he needs to cry about it with his friends. If Tucker couldn’t shoot threes and if Tucker’s parents were poor, he would be working at Costco or some such place this year. People who work at Costco can’t afford to behave this way, and many wish they had the dough to go to college. People in college should take advantage of it.

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by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ever made a mistake?

I have. And I learned from it. I’ve learned more from my mistakes than I ever have from my successes. Tucker isn’t responsible for all that’s wrong on college campuses – but he should be held responsible for his stupidity. That’s what the suspension is for. So let’s see what he’s learned and not take away his opportunity to do the right thing when given a second chance.

by jebushchrist on Dec 10, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What's with the high horse, Bellanca?

I enjoy your posts (when I can understand them) and like having your Xs and Os knowledge on our side. But when you go off on these crazy-old-man-rants, it reminds of the freakish comments found on the Des Moines Register, Rivals, or Scout websites. Come on man. Drink a beer.

by Duez I say on Dec 10, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Beer?

Bellanca would be drinking some sort of $200 bottle of imported liquor most of us have never heard of.

by DonnyDonovan on Dec 10, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not so sure about that....

his picture is the Boh Ice logo, one of the cheapest beers I’ve ever had the pleasure to play beer pong with….

http://www.mbcinfo.com/Breweries/Heileman/BohIce/BohIce_L.html

by Screen Name 20 on Dec 11, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually I prefer a Rhone red or an old Calvados. Or Virginia Gentleman.

Anyway, I’m not writing well if you and Jebush H. Christ Hissownself think I am ragging on Tucker. He’s a boy and there’s no adult supervision. I am worried about people like Tucker. I have children Tucker’s age.

I’m alarmed at the bingeing. That is all. I don’t think it’s playful nonsense anymore. I have two children playing college sports, one of whom is a D-I freshman on a notorious party campus, the other a DIII team captain at an academic hothouse. I don’t want to get a phone call with the word “exposure” or the word “comatose” in it. Both tell me that the goings-on at their campuses would curl my hair. My folks still live in Iowa City. I go out to take care of them. I cannot believe what I see, and I started drinking in IC bars when I was 16. My parents are very, very established Iowa City people. They are afraid of what is going on. Literally afraid. This is not the way it was.

One of my children is a young woman. We know that this drinking thing, which didn’t exist 20 years ago, correllates with sexual assault and epidemic rates of sexually transmitted disease. We know it does and don’t call it good plain fun.

So, seriously, I think the whole deal is a public health issue. I am fine with my son keeping a case of beer in his room. If he drives back from Stowe loaded, he’s coming home and going to work washing dishes with the illegals. I regret sounding sanctimonious. The drinking age should be 16, or there shouldn’t be a drinking age. I started serving wine to my children when they were 11 or 12. But certain drinking behaviors, also, should disqualify people from the privilege of university life, until they have their shit together. This kid Tucker almost died the other night. No one is processing that fact. He almost died.

Consensus today is that until someone actually dies (as opposed to just losing his extremities) … bleh, not to worry.

*

However, if you call me an old man again I will truly have to kick your ass. I run and lift before 5 a.m. and my girlfriend is 33 and flies jets. So, old man, meh. That was the unkindest cut of all. Fucker. That was designed to hurt. You guys are brutal. But even you mis-underestimate, from time to time.

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by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You’re right, and you know you’re right. This has obviously touched a nerve. Raising the drinking age (it was 18 when I could drink – yes, I’m mature, shut-the-fuck-up) has made it more out of control than it was when we were kids. This is a university-wide problem. The only thing I’m reasonably sure about here is this university, like most universities, is ill-equipped to deal with it, even as they were extremely fortunate that nothing worse happened in this instance.

I suspect you had a great impact on whatever drinking behavior your children engage in. From your statements above, you appear to have been honest and open with them about the pros (plenty) and cons (death, injury, sexual assault), preferring a controlled introduction so they could witness generally responsible behavior. That’s the mistake some parents make – what they say and do matters. Simply forbidding and expecting your children to obey is incredibly naive – the withholding makes the introduction more dangerous. I’m not blaming the parents – he is not my child and I will never presume to know what goes on behind anyone’s doors other than my own. However, what I hope is that his Basketball coach, for gods sake, is not the sole adult with whom he has a come to jesus (or jebushchrist) discussion. He may be 18 or 19, but he is a kid, and will always be their kid.

Ok, I added nothing to this, other than you are right. Keep your superior commentary coming.

by txhawkeye on Dec 10, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I suspect

that from a greater culture aspect, a lot of truth lies in here. Since the drinking age was raised the responsiblity for dealing with alcohol has shifted from the family knowing that it was something they had to deal with while their kids were in high school or about to go to college to something that won’t need to be addressed because it’s a far away. And my guess, based on nothing more than what I’ve seen and read over time, is that many parents today don’t properly address the issue, leaving it to the kids to the figure out themselves at school.

by chitownhawkeye on Dec 10, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I stand by my comments

But didn’t mean to insinuate that you are an old man. Please don’t kill me!

by Duez I say on Dec 11, 2008 7:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's not get carried away

The guy wasn’t driving or putting out someone’s eye with a pool cue, he was sleeping. Glad he’s alive and let’s hope the entire team learns from his mistake.

Let he who is without a dangerously high BAC cast the first dismissal.

by jebushchrist on Dec 10, 2008 12:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

There's a distinction between "benefitting" from something and "learning" from it.

No one is suggesting Tucker did the former. He may still be able to do the latter. That’s all we’re hoping for him. Also, way to make assumptions about the young man. If he couldn’t shoot threes and his parents were poor maybe he would have worked his ass off in the classroom, gotten student aid and gone to school.

I’m certain plenty of Costco employees binge drink from time to time. Being around those giant jars of mayonnaise all day isn’t easy.

by DonnyDonovan on Dec 10, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I've sent dozens of "kids" to get their stomach pumped in my day

working in residence life (at Luther, NorseHawk – before your time), and believe that the moral high-ground here is in the middle of Belanca and DonnyDonovan.

Binge drinking shouldn’t be regarded as a right of passage and has very real and too easily-dismissed dangers. At the same time, we all acted like idiots at one time or another and deserve the opportunity to learn from those mistakes.

The hope is that the student-athlete DOES take the opportunity and correct attitude to learn from the mistake. A little administrative punishment/reminder (from both Student Life and Athletic Department) helps – a LOT of punishment/come-to-Jesus’ing from the parents helps, too.

Bottom line for me is that if students choose to head down that path, they damn-well better have smart friends. I blame them as much as Tucker in this situation. I’ve never left a buddy behind no matter how inebriated I’ve gotten, and that’s the piece of education that’s missing, though as imprtant as removing yourself from the situation entirely.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Dec 10, 2008 3:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Well said by all.

I think we’re closer to consensus here than we think, although, I wonder, if this had happened in July, all other things being equal, how different would we feel? I don’t think anyone is minimizing the dangers of getting so drunk you pass out in an alley behind the Union Bar. It’s not funny and it’s not “kids being kids.” Also, I agree with the friends perspective. I’d guess he wasn’t drinking alone. He was obviously going downhill fast at some point. When I have a friend going downhill fast I try to at least get them to a safe couch, or floor, whatever, where they can sleep it off.

I haven’t been to campus in a few years so I don’t know how “bad” it is compared to years past. I was on campus almost 20 years ago and I saw shit at the Fieldhouse and Jake’s that was pretty damn bad, and saw people in the dorms that proabably should have had their stomach pumped, so, where I differ with Bellanca (besides the appropriate severity of the punishment) is I’m not sure 2008 is really that different than 1988.

Education is good. A lower drinking age might well be good. As a parent, I don’t think some exposure to alcohol for teenage children, under supervised conditions, is necessarily bad, and might also well be good. It’s a tough problem with no easy solutions.

I hope no one here thinks I am trivializing it. I didn’t mean to come across that way.

by DonnyDonovan on Dec 10, 2008 3:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The problem isn't drinking.

The problem is drinking to get “omg I wuz so shitfased wasted friday nite lulz!”

Beer is good, whiskey is tasty… but they should be enjoyed for their own merits as part of a celebration of life with friends, not guzzled for the express purpose of getting intoxicated.

That’s the problem. And it’s our culture… not just at the U of I or in Iowa City, but across the US. No other country sells so much awful fucking beer. Why? Because people in the US drink to get drunk and don’t care how it tastes.

I love beer, and I love whiskey, but I hardly ever get drunk. And I’m totally at a loss when trying to determine why other people drink horse piss to the point where they are falling down.

by rockyh on Dec 10, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I feel like this is

“Yo Joe” segment toward the end of the GI Joe Cartoon.

And while, we have all made valid points, each from different perspectives, wherein our different attitudes regarding the issue arise…

can we please return to the regularly scheduled programming of ~~dick~~ cock and fart jokes.

by three and out the kok story on Dec 10, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

And another thing

Tucker was out celebrating with his buddies. What were they celebrating? Life. They were celebrating life, because it’s awesome. They had a few at the crib then went out to the bars to share their awesomeness. And this is where I bring up an issue that no one has brought up. Tucker was hammered. He went outside for some ‘fresh air’ (I’ve been there, recently, and I’m in my 30’s now). He was no longer responsible for his actions. His friends were probably hammered too, which is why they didn’t notice he was in the wind. They probably thought he was with a girl. But what about the bar? When is the bar going to take the hit for overserving? No matter the age, it’s the bar’s responsibility to not serve people when they’re hammered and I’m sick of them skating by. Take their liquor license for a month. They do it again, shut them down permanently. That seems to be as good a solution as anything else in this case.

by jebushchrist on Dec 10, 2008 4:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Right on...or wait, no...

Man…I’ve been following this he said she said debate all day, and I thought you finally had it right…then you took that, “Blame the bars” stance and totally missed. What’s next? Prohibition?

Bottom line, alchohol is good sometimes. Sometimes it enhances the fun. If you choose to partake in the drink, you are responsible for whatever happens. You can be responsible by having buddies around to watch out for you (which I am shocked he didn’t have) but even then you can’t blame them when you get too stupid. To blame the bar is even more insane. I’ve had many times (some in Iowa City) that I should have technically not been served. I’m one of those guys that can give the appearance of being sober though even when I can barely stand.

I don’t blame anyone but Tucker, and I don’t think he blames anyone but himself. Almost everyone I know (definitely including me) has had one night where they took it too far. I am just disappointed he didn’t know better than to do it during the season, on campus risking what he is risking. College is fun and drinking is a huge part of it, but if you are risking what he is risking, maybe find a better way to have fun. Definitely be more careful.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Dec 10, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You can blame both, can't you?

Obviously (imo), Tucker has fault. However, there are laws against serving people when they are drunk. Tucker was obviously drunk and served alcohol. Why would you not enforce the law for the bar but only enforce it for the teenager? I guess if one disagrees with the law, that’s another issue, but selectively applying the law doesn’t make sense.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Dec 11, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You can. I can't.

Until I am at a bar and the bar makes me drink, and then doesn’t let me stop consuming, I will continue to think of it as my responsibility. I know what the law says, I understand the reason for the laws, and the extreme cases in which it should be enforced. I think those extreme cases in which the bar should have legal liability and responsibility are very rare. I can’t imagine ever being involved in one. I don’t think this is the case with Tucker.

Ty, you know of my adventure in Chicago for the Northern Illinois game with the Rumplemints…I was beyond trashed. The same bartender gave me 15 shots of that crap. I would never in a million years hold him responsible for the dumb stuff I did that night. I asked for the drinks, I poured them into my head. It was all my (bad) choice.

We can save the rest of this debate for tomorrow on the long drive to Carver for the jISU game. We don’t want to bore the good people of BHGP with a debate over our differences of opinion.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Dec 11, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, in that case, they shouldn't get in trouble for serving minors either, right?

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Dec 11, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You win.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Dec 11, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You couldn't be more wrong

Tucker is a minor and shouldn’t have been served at all in a bar, and he isn’t ‘responsible’ for his drinking, because he’s breaking the law when he drinks.

And again, the bar that serves a drunk person is responsible for that person’s actions. It’s both the law, and common sense.

I can’t believe you really think it’s appropriate for a bar to serve someone until they run out of money. That’s just so ridiculous I feel like you’re just being provocative.

by jebushchrist on Dec 12, 2008 12:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I love you guys...

and I don’t want to argue this because I know what you are saying and I agree. I thought I would just say, “You Win” and get back to focus on the Cocks but you draw me back in.

I am not saying the bar isn’t wrong at all…I am just saying they shouldn’t be blamed or held liable, and they shouldn’t be closed down and removed from downtown because people like Tucker are stupid. The point I was trying to make was it is ultimately Tucker’s fault. He should be held accountable. He made the (terrible) decisions. Booze inhibits your decision making, but you are sober when you take the first drink.

I hate the fact that certain US Americans take the type of belief in things like we should close all casinos because some people make stupid decisions to gamble their life savings away, or that we should sue the cigarette companies because people choose to smoke and then get cancer, or that you can spill hot coffee on yourself and then sue the Mickey D’s that served it to you.

If you make the mistake and hurt yourself as a result of your decision, own it. Admit fault. In this case I think Tucker did. I didn’t even want to post on this and probably shouldn’t have but when people start saying they should close the bars downtown because of the actions of a few stupid people, I strongly disagree.

If they knowingly and willingly served a minor then I AGREE it is wrong and they should get fined/penalized accordingly. But…he probably had a fake, most likely had a friend buying or whatever and the bar had no clue he was drinking illegally. Come on…you know it is not that hard to get your hands on booze as a minor without the bar knowing and it is probably the case here. I really doubt he bellied up to the bar and ordered it himself and nobody ever carded him all night. IF that is the case (probably not), then I agree with you they should get in trouble for serving him. My point is they shouldn’t be shut down, and the bar district shouldn’t be moved off campus, but I agree they should get fined and whatever if they knowingly and deliberately served him as a minor/obviously intoxicated person.

After the Purdue game, I went to the downtown area with a buddy that ran track for the Hawkeyes. We went to a bar that he had some track friends at and I had 5 drinks/shots handed to me by his pals in the first half hour we were there. I never once was in contact with a bar tender or server. I WAS carded on the way in, but we also were sitting with some of the guys’ girlfriends that were only 19 and got in with fakes. We sat back in a corner, and those 19 year old girls were sipping on drinks from their boyfriends. Is this illegal? Yes. I don’t dispute that. Do I think it is the bars’ FAULT? No. You can only police things to a reasonable level. I think the bars in IC do a more than reasonable job at policing things all things considered. I don’t expect them to be 100% perfect in recognizing fake IDs. Most of the people I know with fakes actually have real state issued IDs anyway that are an older brother or sister that look just like them. There is no way to know. I don’t expect the bars to be able to keep a tally on every drink every patron has. I obviously don’t hold the belief that a bar should serve a person until they run out of money regardless of their condition. I do believe it is unreasonable to expect the bar to breathalyze each person before every drink is ordered. They can only be expected to track it to a certain extent…that is common sense. Different people go to the bar to pick up rounds for the whole crew all the time. It is impossible for a crowded bar to be perfectly sure where those drinks all end up.

Finally and in summary…
At some point it is up to the person drinking to have accountability and be responsible for themselves and what they choose to do. Can’t we agree on that? Tucker isn’t a VICTIM here, he is the offender. That is obviously why he was subsequently ticketed, detained, suspended, etc. The bars aren’t the perp.

Can we get back to the fun stuff now? I need to make a Cock joke…I can only be serious for SO LONG.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Dec 12, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Iowa City is the victim. Bars are responsible, to their community (and society), to not overserve people. Tucker may not have had his first drink at the bar, but he certainly had his 15th, and it’s 100% on the bar to not serve him number 15, regardless of his age. This isn’t about his age, or his fake ID. It’s about the person pouring the drink and the establishment that employs them not letting one person come to the bar and buy 12 shots and carry them to a back table covered in empty beer bottles, glasses, and shot glasses.

This has nothing to do with gambling, as I’m pretty sure you don’t run someone over at a casino. And just because you drank irresponsibly recently doesn’t make it right. Tucker was stupid. You were stupid. I was stupid when I drank 12 Jim Beams last month. But the issue I brought up in my comment was that the bars need to do what they’re licensed to do, which is serve drinks responsibly.

by jebushchrist on Dec 12, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You win.

I 100% agree 50%.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Dec 12, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

.194?

What a fucking pussy. I can totally take him drink for drink any day of the week.

by dmbmeg on Dec 10, 2008 4:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

actually

that was kind of my original thought, but then it got all serious and shit. .194, Hell I call that Sunday morning.

by three and out the kok story on Dec 10, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

seriously

People need to lighten up! I once found my friend sleeping in the rose bushes in the building right across Clinton from Pappajohn. We should be more outraged he went to the Union, if you ask me. I think every time I go out I drink at least a .194, and no one would say I had a problem!

[crickets]

by dmbmeg on Dec 10, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for adding some… Megness to this conversation.

by jebushchrist on Dec 11, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone who pours them down until he blows a .194

is a rookie. He get’s a pass. One day he’ll aquire taste and responsbility like Bellanca. Until then, he is an adolescent transitioning into adulthood. In native American tribal culture this sort of learning or rite of passage is called a vision quest. In iowa city it is called a Saturday night binge. Youngsters have died on thier vision quest, he got away clean. Now the community will help lift him up to manhood. Wait, I sound like an anthropology professor…and I got a C in that. Proving that learning and performing are not always a mirror reflection of each other. Now, on with the show.

I am seriously dismayed by the apathy in Cockville.

"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first."
- George Rogers, one-time South Carolina RB

by StoopsMyAss on Dec 10, 2008 7:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

taste and responsibility is overrated!

I tried to take a little drunk nappy nap in the front of a bulldozer this year, and I’m 28.

by dmbmeg on Dec 10, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

There's one thing I'm going to take away from this post.

And that’s the fact that most people here are older than I had anticipated.

Having said that, my 30th birthday is coming up shortly and I’m going to get pantsless drunk. I mean like rapid-fire piss-pounding irresponsibly drunk. That probably sounds stupid to a few of you, but makes perfect sense to just as many (dmbmeg, you got my back, right).

Listen, I’ve woken up with my face stuck to the carpet in my own vomit in the lounge at Rienow Hall. I’ve slept half the night in some bushes near Dirty John’s. I’ve spent the night in Johnson County jail on 4 separate occasions for public intox. I’ve watched an idiot friend punch a gas pump, slice his hand open, stumble home, pass out in the bathtub and then be found in the morning by the cops because they followed his blood-trail 8 blocks to our house.

My point is this: I’m not the exception, I’m the rule.

This is college. Sorry to say it, but this is the University of Iowa. Everyone I know has all of those same stories but with different names and different endings. I’m not saying it’s a good thing or a bad thing, i’m just saying it is what it is. Tucker isn’t an anomaly. I bet he wasn’t even the only person they found sleeping in a snowdrift on that particular night.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that if you want to try to fix anything, the first thing you have to realize is that this shit happens every single night. Taking kids out of school isn’t going to do them any good. I doubt telling bartenders not to overserve will work either. Kids are going to get the booze and they’re going to abuse it. I think the only way anyone really learns their limits is by going over them. If they’re smart (and lucky), it only takes once.

I do agree that the drinking age should be 18. If you can vote, get married, sign a legal document, own a gun and fight in a war……..you should be able to kick back at the end of the day and have a few beers so you can forget about all that shit.

Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....

by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 10, 2008 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I want to party with HFMR

by Duez I say on Dec 11, 2008 7:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ed Podolak, ladies and gentlemen!

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Oops Pow Surprise on Dec 11, 2008 8:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Right on. I'll drink to that.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Dec 11, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You wouldn't happen to have a rommate named "shitty", would you?

by OMahawk on Dec 12, 2008 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hahahahahaha....maybe

Who is this?

Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....

by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 12, 2008 8:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's the big red's little brother

Omahawk, that kills me. I was just going to ask him!

by imadirtyoldman on Dec 12, 2008 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's funny shit

Can I assume that I know you as well?

Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....

by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 12, 2008 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, we've probably met

Little red hasn’t told me who you are yet, but I’ve been to plenty of parties over at 402, so I’m sure we’ve met.

by imadirtyoldman on Dec 12, 2008 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Small World

BHGP- connecting people through random drunk stories

by OMahawk on Dec 12, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I cant wait to meet all you fuckers

at the First Annual 2009 BHGP Awards Ceremony and Potluck. Where is that this year?

by Duez I say on Dec 12, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously. We need to hook that up. Put a face to a name, y'now?

BYOB Bitches!

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Dec 12, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Johnson County Jail

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Oops Pow Surprise on Dec 12, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That place SUCKS

But the orange jumpsuits are comfy, I’ll admit that!

by imadirtyoldman on Dec 12, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It does suck

And the toilets are fantastic- I left them a fresh present (whiskey shit) before I was released the next morning.

by OMahawk on Dec 12, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

One of my roommates got busted for stealing while drunk.

He spent the night in jail for public intox.

The next morning he stole the orange jumpsuit.

I wore them as pajamas for 2 years.

Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....

by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 12, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You are the greatest man I've ever known.

by NorseHawk on Dec 13, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can say with certainty...

I have partied with Hayden Fry’s Mustache Ride. Now who wants to touch me…

by OMahawk on Dec 13, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

More likely Hillsborough County Jail (FL)

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Dec 12, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

One last point

The kid screwed up, got EXTREMELY lucky, deserves to have his ass handed to him, and hopefully he and his friends learn from it.

BUT WHY DURING THE FUCKING SEASON?!?

I mean, can’t he screw around when he’s NOT about to start the most important basketball of his young life? I thought by now Division I athletes had it pounded into their brain that you do your effing around in the offseason. apparently Tucker didn’t get the memo.

Of course, I work in Minnetonka., and my boss is a huge booster, and told me from day 1 this Spring that Tucker had a bit of little shit in him. He was benched for being a little shit in high school. He’ll be benched now for being a little shit in Division I basketball. He best stop being a little shit, or he can pack his bags and go play for somebody else.

by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Dec 11, 2008 1:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Drinking during the season

This is a fine point.

I was a non-integral part of a shitty basketball team at an irrelevant Class A high school, and even we didn’t drink during the season.

THIS IS DIVISION ONE BASKETBALL!

Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....

by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 11, 2008 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

One more point I'd like to bring up

If he was out celebrating, partying with his buddies/boys…where were they? I’m assuming they were drunk too but they got themselves some semblance of home. Where are your friends/buddies/boys/roommates when you’re out 3 sheets in an alley. That’s something I can’t figure out, or have missed in the news.

by Shooter McGavin on Dec 11, 2008 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs